No. "Bitch" and "ho" can be distasteful and misogynistic but they're not racially charged and also I'm a big girl who can say swears now.
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People who sing the N-word in songs while not black
- Thread starter Stooge
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No. "Bitch" and "ho" can be distasteful and misogynistic but they're not racially charged and also I'm a big girl who can say swears now.
if the official song lyrics have it then i don't see the problem singing it. if it makes you uncomfortable saying it then don't but that's your thing.
User Banned (1 Week): Inflammatory False Equivalence Surrounding a Racial Slur
Bitch is used to dehumanise and denigrate. You're not a woman you're a bitch.
I find all the white people who come in threads like this so hypocritical.
I've no problem rapping along to all the other horrendous shit in hip-hop but heaven forbid I say the n word when I'm alone.
I self censor myself all the time with lyrics from Women artists, for example:
I'm not singing along out loud to all of that. So I don't see an issue with non Black people skipping the N-Word/using a substitution with rap songs.
I'm not singing along out loud to all of that. So I don't see an issue with non Black people skipping the N-Word/using a substitution with rap songs.
As a black woman(tm), if I had no choice but to be denigrated and dehumanized, I'd rather be called a bitch than a nigger.
You know. Just something about that 400 year concentrated history of destroying and disenfranchising my folks directly underneath the banner of the word that gives it a bit more 'spice' than "bitch," yanno?
You know. Just something about that 400 year concentrated history of destroying and disenfranchising my folks directly underneath the banner of the word that gives it a bit more 'spice' than "bitch," yanno?
If I gloss over some ethereal sense of connection it's because I'm interested in facts, not feels. And no, I don't think it creates a division, at least not one of any consequence that would have a net benefit compared to saying the word, but even if you're arguing ti does it creates more of a division for white people to be saying that word.
You're coming from a white perspective saying it creates division, don't you the the inherent flaw in that argument?
Honestly dude, it's a fair criticism, and I apologize if I've been speaking too loud on this issue. I'm def not saying I have authority. I asked my friends to tell me if what I was saying was not right or if I was taking it too far because I don't want to monopolize the conversation, but at the same time I hate that they can see and participate in these threads over and over again saying the same shit and having to shoulder that burden when I'm sitting here and can maybe try to talk it out with my fellow white dudes.
Can someone explain when the n-word is a derogatory word that was used for blacks in the slavery days by racist scum, why do black folks use it so often for each other? It makes no sense when you want people to stop using this word but that same group uses that word like its nothing. I am not native to US so I am trying to understand this.
I'm white-ish. I don't think I've said anything hypocritical, and I'm in this thread to learn. And see if my instincts about this stuff are Ok.
They are allowed to express themselves how they want and you and your white ears are irrelevant to their album/song making process. Lol @ tone policing how people talk.
Honestly couldn't give a shit if white people self censor rap music, this is one of the least important things that I concern myself with in America as a black man. It's a -2/10 on the list of insensitive racism white people do.
Be mindful of who you are singing around. If you have someone sensitive to it like the OP, then mind your mouth, also around strangers, you don't know what the fuck they are about and you might get bopped on the noggin for it. You have no high ground to argue the point, just be mindful, it's not hard.
Be mindful of who you are singing around. If you have someone sensitive to it like the OP, then mind your mouth, also around strangers, you don't know what the fuck they are about and you might get bopped on the noggin for it. You have no high ground to argue the point, just be mindful, it's not hard.
I have women friends who when together call each other bitch in an endearing way. I, knowing this, somehow have the self control to not call them bitch, both because I don't have the urge to call them bitch, and because I don't think they'd appreciate me calling them bitch. It's also not their responsibility to control whether or not I call women bitches.
I'm trying to remove all curse words, slurs, even saying things like "Jesus Christ" from my daily vocabulary. Takes a bit of mental effort but I've noticed a serious decline in all of it so I'm happy with the progress but trying to bring it all down to zero in time.
Why the fuck would you do that? You're just making shit harder for yourself. And Jesus Christ? How is a name of a mythological creature a swear word, for Odin's sake?
Anyway, studies have shown:
https://www.sciencealert.com/swearing-is-a-sign-of-more-intelligence-not-less-say-scientists
As others have said, the fact that someones feel a desire or need to say the word should disqualify them from saying the word.
Being white and playing the victim because you can't say or sing that word is some of the dumbest, most self entitled bullshit I've ever come across .
Being white and playing the victim because you can't say or sing that word is some of the dumbest, most self entitled bullshit I've ever come across .
I natrually don't swear much or often in person. Because of that, when you do curse, it stands out, and makes a much bigger impact.
You are trying to swath away the connection by saying that it is ethereal. That doesn't work. Have you heard of psychology and such?
So you say you are not interested in feels in a thread that basically is about feelings around a word? That to me doesn't make sense. Unless I misunderstand it.
Why not abandon the word entirely? That way the benefit is even greater.
And in my thinking, it creates a division. There are words that some groups can say but the other groups cannot.
This whole word is about the connection in a group imo.
But if I am honest (and this is not the case here because we have a different language) if I grew up with blacks as friends then maybe I would see things differently, but I would hope that if I was with him or her that I could say anything that he can say. That we know each other through and through that it wouldn't be a problem anymore.
Also shouldn't these rappers stop saying b*tches to? I read the link here about reappropriation and how feminists wanted to have the word b*tch to themselves. Why is it ok for rappers to say these things but care if others say the word, that is pretty hypocritical,no ? And I find the word b*tch pretty offensive.
I was the same way for the longest time but the military changed that. Now it's time for me to course correct.
White guys saying jigga as a replacement for the n word in songs isn't gonna play any better regardless of one of Jay Z's many nicknames.
There should seriously be a Black Mirror episode where White folks go mute for a period of time every time they attempt to sing along to the n-word. White folks would vote it hands down the scariest episode of the series and it would be an all-time horror classic.
Yes. Cite a psychology paper about the necessity of the N-word being used by whites bringing people together. You can't just say "psychology" and offer no citations.
Because there is a very real history and hurt behind the word. There is an objective context you can point to. There are real consequences for its use.
Because only a terrible person if they are white would try to tell black people they can't use the word.
Yes, maybe you would, because you obviously have a very limited perspective.
That's a whole different conversation. We've had that thread before but you could make one again.
Language reppropriation. Different groups- marginalized or otherwise- do it all the time.
It makes perfect sense. In-groups can use language within their unique contexts out-groups cannot. This happens all the time.
Like, people don't get confused when someone in a monogamous relationship gets mad when someone hits on their partner. No one says "If you don't want me calling your wife honey, you can't call her honey."
you and i both remember it im sure, Lionpride going on and on about how he should be able to say bitch and how there was nothing wrong with the word
I don't understand what that has to do with anything here? If you have a problem with them you would have to talk to them, right? He's a friend, I don't agree with him on that issue but that's neither here nor there and I don't think he even posts here anymore so I don't get why you would bring him up.
I think, but he's visibly white. I would know he had any black heritage unless I was told.
I remember this was the radio edited version to one of Jay Z's songs
I think we've just seen someone make a designated "black friend" in real time.
Yesterday my friend and I were playing some videogames with our rap music blaring in my living room. Just having a jolly good time and rapping along with the songs. In one of the verses when the N bomb was dropped I went silent and he yelled it out. Then he looked at me in an awkward silence for about a minute then was like "Why?"
I'm like "I dunno, I just dont say the word"
he was like "ok"
I'm like "I dunno, I just dont say the word"
he was like "ok"
I'm white as snow and I absolutely used to be the type of person who would only use the word when singing along to certain songs. A few years ago there was a thread here about Kendrick Lamar calling out a fan for using it when he called them up to the stage during one of his performances. While I think it was kind of a weird thing for him to do during a live performance, it got me thinking about the types of things white people do that normalize really harmful language that no one has any business using. Additionally, I as a privileged white dude have zero business telling PoC which words they should and shouldn't be using. At the end of the day I can only be responsible for my own actions and using the behavior of others to justify my own use of the word was incredibly misguided and I regret it.
Since then I don't say the word any time I sing along to a song, I instead replace it with "ninja" which sounds different enough that people won't mishear it but also doesn't throw off the flow. Plus, it's just damn fun to turn a bunch of classic rap jams into songs about ninjas 😂.
Since then I don't say the word any time I sing along to a song, I instead replace it with "ninja" which sounds different enough that people won't mishear it but also doesn't throw off the flow. Plus, it's just damn fun to turn a bunch of classic rap jams into songs about ninjas 😂.
It's the rapper's words. That would be like saying, "well I was out the other day and heard a Black guy say the Word when expressing himself while talking, so I felt like I could say it right back! Nah, that's not how it works. They can say the word in their music, if you're not Black, don't do it. It's really not that hard people.
As for the argument some are making that "there shouldn't be a word only one race can use"! The good news is, there's not! Nobody will stop you from using the word. It's a choice not to be a racist asshole is all, and allows you to show you understand why not using the word is important considering its racist history. Go ahead, shout it aloud while you are alone, you'll see, the government won't come for you, hell, the current government might even give you a reward!
As for the argument some are making that "there shouldn't be a word only one race can use"! The good news is, there's not! Nobody will stop you from using the word. It's a choice not to be a racist asshole is all, and allows you to show you understand why not using the word is important considering its racist history. Go ahead, shout it aloud while you are alone, you'll see, the government won't come for you, hell, the current government might even give you a reward!
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Yeah so jelly I don't have white friends around so they can use rap as an excuse to yell slurs at me
Especially since the rappers themselves always have an edit of the song without that word and others.
If Kendrick performs his own songs saying "hitta" instead of "nigga", then so can anyone else
when the N word comes on in the song they just look over and yell it toward you? :/
i wouldn't do you dirty like that i promise
I throat punch kids for pulling that shit. You wouldn't say any version of it in front of me, period.