No. "Bitch" and "ho" can be distasteful and misogynistic but they're not racially charged and also I'm a big girl who can say swears now.
No. "Bitch" and "ho" can be distasteful and misogynistic but they're not racially charged and also I'm a big girl who can say swears now.
Stripes on my ass so he call this pussy Tigger
Fuckin' on a scammin' ass, rich ass nigga
Same group of bitches, ain't no adding to the picture
Drop a couple racks, watch this ass get bigger
Drinkin' on liquor, and I'm lookin' at your nigga
If his money right, he can eat it like a Snicker
if the official song lyrics have it then i don't see the problem singing it.
Bitch is used to dehumanise and denigrate. You're not a woman you're a bitch.
I find all the white people who come in threads like this so hypocritical.
I've no problem rapping along to all the other horrendous shit in hip-hop but heaven forbid I say the n word when I'm alone.
If I gloss over some ethereal sense of connection it's because I'm interested in facts, not feels. And no, I don't think it creates a division, at least not one of any consequence that would have a net benefit compared to saying the word, but even if you're arguing ti does it creates more of a division for white people to be saying that word.It creates a division. That is clear to everyone I think. You agree, I hope.
You do not say some words because they are racist, etc... That is not bringing us together that is also separating and very negative.
But you can belong to a group based on different criteria. And to me, if you are fans of someone this creates a bond between other fans. And if you are excluded of saying things then you are out of that group.
Like some say already, color wasn't the metric, now you say that only black people can say it. Which of course leads to other problems. And that has been laid out already on this thread, but nobody likes to pick that up. That's because like so many things it isn't as simple as it seems on the surface.
And it is not about saying that word. I think that anybody can avoid that word. I never ever say it, maybe only if I listen to rap (but that is pretty limited). It is much deeper then that.
But like I said I don't say it and I wouldn't say it if it offends people.
About the connection thing, you gloss over that much to easily and quickly imo.
I've heard of Jiggaboo but really Jay Z's nickname is JiggaIt doesn't seem anyone has addressed this but:
About ten years ago I didn't even know this existed. Came up when a friend made a character in WoW using just his initials. He thought it was funny that it was literally unpronounceable. Jgj. Saying "Jay-gee-Jay" felt awkward eventually he got nicknamed Jig, then Jigga. That went on for like two months when someone new joined the guild and was like "EXCUSE THE FUCK OUTTA ME!?"
We had know idea and we were mortified. just started calling him by his real life first name after that and eventually he got a name change on the character.
Honestly dude, it's a fair criticism, and I apologize if I've been speaking too loud on this issue. I'm def not saying I have authority. I asked my friends to tell me if what I was saying was not right or if I was taking it too far because I don't want to monopolize the conversation, but at the same time I hate that they can see and participate in these threads over and over again saying the same shit and having to shoulder that burden when I'm sitting here and can maybe try to talk it out with my fellow white dudes.Bitch is used to dehumanise and denigrate. You're not a woman you're a bitch.
I find all the white people who come in threads like this so hypocritical.
I've no problem rapping along to all the other horrendous shit in hip-hop but heaven forbid I say the n word when I'm alone.
Yes the UK, France, and USA are racist.That's like saying The UK or The US is racist. You're generalising the way racists do (all blacks, arabs, etc. are...).
Are there racists in France? Yes, of course. But (in my experience) most people (I've encountered) aren't.
On topic : I think if the word is in a sing, then anyone should be able to use THE WORD, in context (sing for example).
Bitch is used to dehumanise and denigrate. You're not a woman you're a bitch.
I find all the white people who come in threads like this so hypocritical.
I've no problem rapping along to all the other horrendous shit in hip-hop but heaven forbid I say the n word when I'm alone.
They are allowed to express themselves how they want and you and your white ears are irrelevant to their album/song making process. Lol @ tone policing how people talk.If they don't white people to use it then don't put it in a song in a Cachy way
Or even better ... don't use the N word anymore
Can someone explain when the n-word is a derogatory word that was used for blacks in the slavery days by racist scum, why do black folks use it so often for each other? It makes no sense when you want people to stop using this word but that same group uses that word like its nothing. I am not native to US so I am trying to understand this.
Why the fuck would you do that? You're just making shit harder for yourself. And Jesus Christ? How is a name of a mythological creature a swear word, for Odin's sake?I'm trying to remove all curse words, slurs, even saying things like "Jesus Christ" from my daily vocabulary. Takes a bit of mental effort but I've noticed a serious decline in all of it so I'm happy with the progress but trying to bring it all down to zero in time.
As a black person (that doesn not represent all black people) I dont care. sing away.
I'm trying to remove all curse words, slurs, even saying things like "Jesus Christ" from my daily vocabulary. Takes a bit of mental effort but I've noticed a serious decline in all of it so I'm happy with the progress but trying to bring it all down to zero in time.
You are trying to swath away the connection by saying that it is ethereal. That doesn't work. Have you heard of psychology and such?If I gloss over some ethereal sense of connection it's because I'm interested in facts, not feels. And no, I don't think it creates a division, at least not one of any consequence that would have a net benefit compared to saying the word, but even if you're arguing ti does it creates more of a division for white people to be saying that word.
You're coming from a white perspective saying it creates division, don't you the the inherent flaw in that argument?
I was the same way for the longest time but the military changed that. Now it's time for me to course correct.I natrually don't swear much or often in person. Because of that, when you do curse, it stands out, and makes a much bigger impact.
Yes. Cite a psychology paper about the necessity of the N-word being used by whites bringing people together. You can't just say "psychology" and offer no citations.You are trying to swath away the connection by saying that it is ethereal. That doesn't work. Have you heard of psychology and such?
Because there is a very real history and hurt behind the word. There is an objective context you can point to. There are real consequences for its use.So you say you are not interested in feels in a thread that basically is about feelings around a word? That to me doesn't make sense. Unless I misunderstand it.
Because only a terrible person if they are white would try to tell black people they can't use the word.Why not abandon the word entirely? That way the benefit is even greater.
Yes, maybe you would, because you obviously have a very limited perspective.But if I am honest (and this is not the case here because we have a different language) if I grew up with blacks as friends then maybe I would see things differently, but I would hope that if I was with him or her that I could say anything that he can say. That we know each other through and through that it wouldn't be a problem anymore.
That's a whole different conversation. We've had that thread before but you could make one again.Also shouldn't these rappers stop saying b*tches to? I read the link here about reappropriation and how feminists wanted to have the word b*tch to themselves. Why is it ok for rappers to say these things but care if others say the word, that is pretty hypocritical,no ? And I find the word b*tch pretty offensive.
Language reppropriation. Different groups- marginalized or otherwise- do it all the time.Can someone explain when the n-word is a derogatory word that was used for blacks in the slavery days by racist scum, why do black folks use it so often for each other?
It makes perfect sense. In-groups can use language within their unique contexts out-groups cannot. This happens all the time.It makes no sense when you want people to stop using this word but that same group uses that word like its nothing.
That's a whole different conversation. We've had that thread before but you could make one again.
ripIf white people (non-black) can't even do this, then all hope for allyship is lost tbh
I don't understand what that has to do with anything here? If you have a problem with them you would have to talk to them, right? He's a friend, I don't agree with him on that issue but that's neither here nor there and I don't think he even posts here anymore so I don't get why you would bring him up.you and i both remember it im sure, Lionpride going on and on about how he should be able to say bitch and how there was nothing wrong with the word
It's a pretty obvious parallel.I don't understand what that has to do with anything here? If you have a problem with them you would have to talk to them, right? He's a friend, I don't agree with him on that issue but that's neither here nor there and I don't think he even posts here anymore so I don't get why you would bring him up.
He is half black, isn't he?
If you have a problem with them you would have to talk to them, right? He's a friend, I don't agree with him on that issue but that's neither here nor there and I don't think he even posts here anymore so I don't get why you would bring him up.
I think, but he's visibly white. I would know he had any black heritage unless I was told.
I think we've just seen someone make a designated "black friend" in real time.
It's the rapper's words. That would be like saying, "well I was out the other day and heard a Black guy say the Word when expressing himself while talking, so I felt like I could say it right back! Nah, that's not how it works. They can say the word in their music, if you're not Black, don't do it. It's really not that hard people.
Yeah so jelly I don't have white friends around so they can use rap as an excuse to yell slurs at me
when the N word comes on in the song they just look over and yell it toward you? :/
i wouldn't do you dirty like that i promise