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PlayStation Studios |OT40| Helldivers? FF7? Help! I'm Suffering from Foam-O
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Not sure about that one. Seems like the same level of marketing push from Sony to me. Apart from the pre-release demo which is ultimately Team Ninja's decision to push out.
Ronin got plenty of marketing, possibly more so than Stellar Blade. It got a proper stage at TGA (Which Stellar Blade did not) to announce its release date, shown a lengthy gameplay demo at SoP, a whole bunch of videos on the game, as well as a live action trailer with running ads, it even had on street marketing I believe.
Only thing it didnt have relative to Stellar Blade is a demo, but it was TN's decisions not to make it due to the complexity with the open world.
The issue is Ronin never hit interest with the general audience after the initial reveal trailer in 2022, people just compared it visually to Ghost of Tsushima, while for the hardcore reviews on Ronin turned out mixed with some well known Nioh/From Software fans disliking the combat being "dumbed down" from Nioh (Ive seen impressions in the OT be more positive on that though).
The end result is neither the casual nor hardcore fans were that interested in Ronin and this is what hurt sales. I think it might have been different had Ronin got a demo like Stellar Blade, the latter seems to be benefiting a lot from the demo going by PSN sales charts.
There's no such thing as a "progressive" video game company to be clear.
I'm well aware. But Sony has been one of the companies that loves to performatively pat itself on the back whenever it can. The problem is that if they think they can make more money by catering to Gamergate 2.0, apparently that's okay with their leadership as well.
GamerGate 2.0 (or 1.0 for that matter) didn't really impact their bottom line (nor will it imo), so they're going to keep ignoring it and focus on making money.
Obviously not everyone that tried the demo will translate to a sale but the demo has almost 9k reviews and it only came out 4 days ago. For reference Ronin has 6.3k reviews and Dragons Dogma 2 has 13k, I think the interest for the game is there lol.
I said all of this to him in the RotR thread yesterday or so but I guess he'll just keep pushing that false narrative.
For Stellar Blade what really made the difference was the demo, when I was checking how Hi-Fi Rush was performing on PS Store not long ago I remember seeing Stellar Blade out of the top 100 in countries like Germany and France, and quite low in US and UK as well. Like 2 days after the demo it got a significant boost and now appears it's in the 20s spots in all those countries.
Looking at the other games, man PS users are really just weebs.Its going to outsell Ronin
No wonder why that Sony group exec said their is a cross correlation between CrunchyRoll users and PS users.
It's the latter but the problem is a lot of gamers are chuds and are supporting this game.
I argue that 99,9% of people posting here are weebs.
I'm the exception
Ronin has a billboard up in my small European town. I've seen a trailer for it right before Dune 2. It got featured in multiple events. Genuinely don't know where the "no marketing" stuff is coming from.
Can confirm I had next to no interest in Stellar Blade until I tried the demo and saw that the core gameplay loop is actually solid.
A good demo can win more people over than any high review scores. Since it allows you to either dispel or confirm your doubts.
Not saying it's got 'no marketing' but it's plausible Sony would push Stellar Blade more than it, which I take issue with.
I saw two ads for it (Insta + YT) since opening this thread... but narratives etc
Or the worst.
You have a bad first (playable) impression and it is really hard to walk that back.
Unicorn Overlord, FF16, FF7 Rebirth and Stellar Blade are the last demos I played to be fair.
Yeah. Stellar Blade exploded after demo, because it's pretty good. Even I was surprised, as I expected jankfest.
It has really high rating on PSN (over 9k ratings).
I agree that recent demos have been amazing. I hate myself for trying Unicorn because I will not be playing the full game for a long time.
That said, I've seen some demos and betas basically kill all momentum for some games.
I checked the Xbox amazon top sellers (which tbh might not be a fair look cause a chunk of their userbase is digital or only on GP) but comparing it to the PS5 top sellers... yeah we're a bunch of weebs in comparison LOL
4/6 Amazon top sellers being exclusives is pretty crazy for Sony. Hopefully both Ronin and this do well as I've been enjoying both. Waiting on my Persona 3 physical version to try that series out.Its going to outsell Ronin
I like a mid-sized game like this will apparently be (40 hours with collectibles and side missions) and apparently phantom blade 0 will be about the same. Need more games that know when to end
I might be trapped on my back forever.
If Bloodborne Remastered comes out don't tell me.
Too cute 😍
I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert on video game marketing but there are times where I'm left wondering what companies were thinking. Leaving out like cool features or burying the actual type of game it is.
Like Banishers is my GOTY so far. From just watching the trailers, it would be hard to tell that it's actually a meaty ARPG with gameplay and level design akin to the new God of Wars.
Like Banishers is my GOTY so far. From just watching the trailers, it would be hard to tell that it's actually a meaty ARPG with gameplay and level design akin to the new God of Wars.
Yea I agree that Ronin not getting a demo or beta or whatever like Nioh, Wo-Long and SoP was a very odd choice.
Niohs demo is what sold me on getting the game when it clicked for me.
This is why I think sony should at least leverage the game trial stuff.
Niohs demo is what sold me on getting the game when it clicked for me.
This is why I think sony should at least leverage the game trial stuff.
Like seriously, didn't they used to be a thread about how our consoles are linked to genocide, slave labor and concentration camps. Yet we have OT's dedicated mostly to cheering and hyping up the actions of these companies ( I'm also guilty). They are here to make money first and foremost, and they will put on whatever mask that fits that directive in the moment, sometime those actions will be progressive, most times it won't be.
The co-op should just be the whole game rather than specific missions too. It's why my brother didn't get it
Not gonna lie, didn't think I'd see you be one to make this kind of statement, but you're right.
This amounts to a cognitive dissonance we all end up having to live with if we intend to keep gaming on PlayStation or in general, I suppose.
What I want to know is if the people who are seriously pressed by SIE/PS' involvement with Shift Up are going to boycott, divest, and sanction. Is this infraction severe enough?
Co-op in Rise of the Ronin is pretty disappointing to me. Pretty restrictive, and the missions you're allowed to do co-op aren't very long or interesting. Feels like a step down from the co-op in the Niohs and Wo-Long. But I still like the game a lot, just not for the same reasons as I liked their previous games, which all felt like true full co-op games. Ronin co-op feels like a side dish.
I mean this is a consumer facing forum and even the most strident critics of Stellar Blade still financially support Sony in other ways. There's your answer pretty much. I've seen no movement to boycott Sony over their affiliation of this game. Nor do I think there should be tbh
It's the truth. Whether it's PlayStation or Xbox or Nintendo we are all giving our money to awful people doing terrible things. There's no way to win.
Global capitalism is an inherently destructive force that's nearly impossible to dismantle. Some nerds on an internet forum don't have any sway on what happens in it.
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