A MOBA from Tencent would be a huge deal, and would overshadow anything else it is revealed alongside.
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Pokémon Presents planned for June 24th, new big project to be revealed 6am PT/ 15:00 CEST. 11 minute presentation
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I don't expect a Let's Go Johto, and I really don't want it. Not only because I didn't enjoy the game but because that would mean, Masuda wasn't telling the truth (lying) back in October 2019.
Also, if I recall correctly, back in an interview in 2018, Masuda was saying the plans for the future of Pokémon was the introduction of more Spin-offs. So I expect they are going to break the formula of: "new generation, remake, new generation, remake,..." that they kind of followed, and make more collaborations projects with other companies.
Anyway we can sense this announcement is the Tencent X Pokémon collaboration.
I do agree with the idea that Pokemon as a franchise is shifting its formula (hence why the current Pokemon anime isn't tied to any specific region).
Chinese gaming and online software corporation that has the money to do things like this:
Tencent is building a Monaco-sized 'city of the future' in Shenzhen
Technology giant Tencent has unveiled plans for an almost entirely car-free "city of the future" that prioritizes pedestrians, green spaces and self-driving vehicles.
edition.cnn.com
Tencent has and does:
Tencent QQ (WhatsApp+Amazon+Twitter app, it's a do-all app)
Tencent Games (Leading gaming Chinese company) --> Owns WeGame X, a chinese Steam-like platform for chinese games
Tencent Pictures (chinese Movies and shows production)
Tencent Music (chinese music distribution platform)
Also, Tencent owns this: (Notice 40% of Epic Games and full ownership or Riot Games)
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I'm not the biggest fan of mobile games though it does seem likely it will get shown next week I still do believe they could announce something else next week that doesn't necessarily have to be released until next year. I also think whatever it is could easily be johto related.
We played that in Gen 6 via PSS and we can do that in Sword and Shield with the Wild Area.
First person? No thanks. If it's first person with the option for third then that's fine, but personally I prefer third person. There are plenty of MMOs that aren't the same style as WoW, such as DC Universe Online which is an action combat oriented game that more closely resembles a hack n slash than the WoW style, yet is still an MMO. Pokémon could be an MMO without having to be anything like WoW. Basically the Wild Area when you're online has the very basic building blocks of an MMO. If you added a text and voice chat feature, the ability to form groups before taking on a raid battle and maybe a dungeon system that has a "boss" Pokémon at the end that requires a group of 4-8 people you'd essentially have an MMO. Add in specialisations for Pokémon such as more healing based Pokémon, tank Pokémon that can grab the attention/aggro of the boss, support Pokémon to buff allies/debuff the enemy...they're all traditional MMO things without being a traditional MMO, if that makes sense.
Base the game in an all new region. Release an expansion each year that adds in older Pokémon and one old region and you'd essentially have a roadmap right there for the next 8 years.
I think I went off on a bit of a tangent just a bit...I'd kind of love a Pokémon MMO, but at the same time I know it would consume my life.
I think the difference here is that GF was almost out of money and development was a complete mess. Masuda pretty much took over and the entire region was almost completely redone.
But yeah DP was delayed for some unknown reason, but seeing how slow the final release ran, I dread to wonder what it looked like a year prior.
Things just seem way more complicated these days with how much factors are involved.
Uh.... Pokémon is a completely difference franchise to what it was 20 years ago, that comparison is pointless.
The Pokémon Company, the producer that currently oversees all Pokémon product development and ensures everything comes out at time and synced, didn't even exist back then.
Pokémon didn't have worldwide launches back then.
In 1999 Pokémon was just starting to become a multimedia franchise, it's completely different to now where everything depends on the main games launching in time.
In terms of reach and potentially even budget, Tencent's mobile game project could very well be bigger.
Not saying it can't be DP remakes (please) or a second set of Let's Go, but keep an open mind.
Okay so what about Diamond & Pearl, which were also delayed?
My thoughts exactly and I think this will be a pretty ambitious project. Wouldn't be surprised if it was so big it could serve as some sort of new mainline game that would allow GF and TPC to have more time between each generation release.
As far as I know, nothing stops them from having more time between gens. It's Gamefreak setting the schedule as they handle all the concepts for new gens.
Yeah, they just have to plan the 5-year+ shcedule for the games, anime and merch so that it allows for longer dev cycles. But to a certain degree they have to meet the schedules they set up for themselves years ago for this year(s). That's why we won't see delays in Pokémon games per sé (except this year maybe, due to covid and all that, unforeseen problems), but we might see longer dev cycles (and the DLC strategy for SwSh kinda proves it, faster development of content to release something every year).
I might be wrong about some stuff, but it's kinda what I see.
I get that they can't delay games because so many things are coordinated around the release of new generations, I'm just saying if they wanted more dev time they could easily plan for longer dev cycles, or significantly up their hiring, etc. It just seems like they don't want to develop games of the...scale that we expect (which is really just games at the same scale as the Gen 4/5, just in 3D, which they haven't even been able to reach yet)
That's never going to happen. As Masuda himself has said it in interviews, the modern world demands more content fast. After 3 years people get bored of the current generation and want new creatures.
I really can't see an entire presentation dedicated to a mobile game, I got a feeling it's let's go gen 2
They're also adding new mons and forms mid generation though which helps :)
I think we'll be back to 4 years generations. They are now adding Pokemon with DLC and probably with remakes so it should be fine.
Pokémon is managed as a franchise focused on children and these require short cycles since their attention span is limited.
Five years without new Pokémon is probably viewed as unacceptable to TPC. They want new content for new toys, plushies, cards, anime ...
Awww heck. We're thinking the big announcement is a fucking mobile game? And a MOBA?
I think the only thing less exciting to me than those two things would be the announcement that Pokemon in its entirety is cancelled.
I think the only thing less exciting to me than those two things would be the announcement that Pokemon in its entirety is cancelled.
If you ask me, TPCi is way more likely to go for a two-year cadence for generations than a five year one.
I think the actual answer is that they're phasing out the idea of generations entirely and are going to be looking at every new game going forwards offering brand new Pokémon.
I think the actual answer is that they're phasing out the idea of generations entirely and are going to be looking at every new game going forwards offering brand new Pokémon.
Other Tencent mobile games are also on switch, so we can hope this one will be too
that's a myth that GF seems to believe
that's the point of spinoffs. a big, non-mainline spin off that's more akin to other popular genres would do the series some good. in addition to other media that's not the Ash anime
Sounds like the type of excuse Masuda would make. So how many years exactly is it when kids lose their attention span? Is it just, coincidentally, more than Gamefreak chooses to take? And what exactly is Pokemon losing it to? Because I can't think of any major comparable franchise that's competing with it. And how is it that Minecraft doesn't lose kids attentions despite it's relative few releases spread over the span of many years?
It is not a myth. Children change their tastes at full speed.
The "normal" cycle of kid-focused franchises is to squeeze out as much as you can while possible, move to a phase of trying to attract teen fans through more "edgy" redesigns, and finally go into existence on a baseline basis by simply selling for nostalgia for adults.
You can see that cycle on Digimon, He-Man, G.I. Joe, Yo-Kai Watch, Medabots, Monster Rancher ...
The other alternative is to reboot from time to time like Ninja Turtles or Ben10.
Pokemon is an anomaly because with its gigantic size it has not yet had to resort to a reboot or become edgy.
Doesn't this invalidate the point you're trying to make? If this is the case then Gamefreak in fact doesn't need to keep releasing games at the rate they are. Not to mention, given the size of the franchise they could easily pad the time between generations with spinoff titles and content updates for their existing ones
Maybe, but the amount of new Pokémon being introduced in the DLC is not enough.
I think what Pokémon needs is to adopt GaaS completely: release a small amount new Pokémon, small QoS changes and features like Battle facilities over time for free, and big paid expansions with 20+ new Pokémon.
No, it means this is still in the "Need new content at full speed" phase. That phase usually lasts 5 years, in Pokémon it has lasted more than 20.
Hot Take: the real reason Pokemon "needs" new pokemon every so often is because the games themselves don't change all that much
if there was another "AAA" Pokemon adventure game that wasn't in the style of the mainline games but in-between each generation, I think they could sustain the gens longer. once you go past the Game Freak games, there aren't many games that try to be "big". the GCN duo were probably the last ones (and only ones?)
if there was another "AAA" Pokemon adventure game that wasn't in the style of the mainline games but in-between each generation, I think they could sustain the gens longer. once you go past the Game Freak games, there aren't many games that try to be "big". the GCN duo were probably the last ones (and only ones?)
I don't see anything related to mainline Pokemon being on this presentation with the DLC still being fresh. Especially since Crown of Tundra is at the end of the year and there is no reason to have another mainline Pokemon game to be revealed this early.
Still betting on the Tencent game which can be absolutely huge. If even Tencent can't create a huge hit then it will further show how huge of an anomally Pokemon GO was and the Pokemon brand not being an instant easy money maker on mobile as some people claimed.
Still betting on the Tencent game which can be absolutely huge. If even Tencent can't create a huge hit then it will further show how huge of an anomally Pokemon GO was and the Pokemon brand not being an instant easy money maker on mobile as some people claimed.
You are thinking from the point of view of only video games and unfortunately for this, TPC takes into consideration all aspects of the franchise. A game like Pokemon Colosseum doesn't sell more merchandising, toys, cards or plushies. Spin offs sell what the game sells but do not generate revenue in other ways.
I think we already know that thanks to Pokemon Masters. Last year there were a lot of people talking about it being the "real mainline game of 2019" and how the focus on trainers would appeal to the core audience.
And we know how Pokemon Masters ended.
don't get me wrong, I've been saying it for other media for a long time now. I'm shocked there isn't a pre-school pokemon show akin to Paw Patrol or some shit. pokemon-themed baby merch is a relatively new thing with MonPoke. there's no Pokemon children's books. hire Dave Pikey or Raina Telgemeier to write some books and watch the money roll in
Sorry, with 5 year schedule I meant that they plan what they are going to do in the next 5 (x) years, not a game every 5 years. My phrasing might've been off.
Gamefreak is weird about how it does things , a fairly straightforward way to make more people happy is to include more options yet you can't even use the pro controller with let's go or turn of xp all in sword and shield so I would think it's a no brainier to allow people to choose but their track record in this department says otherwise.
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