And the devs making the games with no say in how any of this went down get punished when their games flop. But fuck them, right?
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Poll: Come on in and vote. Show how you really feel about the THQ-Nordic AMA@8chan fiasco
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Tough poll. I don't mind buying a game from them after that but there isn't a game of theirs I'd realistically want.
If you buy a game from X dev then some of your money will go to THQ so even if you want to just help out a small studio by buying their game you are inadvertently enriching THQ at the same time.
And the entire point of boycotting something is because you want to take a stand against something you believe to be wrong, not wait and see how it affects you and then decide if boycotting is worth the hassle.
Why are you doing this? Why bend over backwards to excuse this behaviour? You'd think a brand manager would do more than go on Bing and look at the first result when deciding whether to embrace a community. And then once starting the AMA and the first reply is Heil Hitler maybe walk it back a little?
Are the people who did the AMA child abusers? Is anyone at THQN a child abuser, or did they just post on a website where child abusers *maybe* also post?
They shared a platform with them. If your next post is about how that doesn't make them child abusers themselves, please don't bother.
This type of judgemental post right here is everything wrong with this poll. I'll use Metro Exodus as an example for why this is such a complex topic. Metro Exodus is developed by 4A games and published by Deep Silver which is owned by Koch Media, a THQ subsidiary. It is absurd to attempt to link Metro Exodus to the support of child abuse. If you buy Yakuza in europe, it's published by Deep Silver which is owned by Koch Media a THQ subsidiary. You're argument is that by purchasing either of these games that have a very long an roundabout attachment to THQ, you cannot show solidarty or support to child abuse victims. That is insane in my opinion
I hadn't brought one from them before but I had planned on getting Deblob since I missed out on it for Wii. After the outrageous way they handled this from start to finish I'm incensed enough to not support them or any game they publish.
3rd party devs can choose another publisher after their contract ends for whatever project was started before this debacle.
3rd party devs can choose another publisher after their contract ends for whatever project was started before this debacle.
I sure hope you don't ever post on Facebook, or Twitter, or Snapchat, or Instagram, or any other social networking site. Otherwise this post might be super-duper hypocritical.
Edit: I admit this was a poorly made point
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I have no loyalty to this company so I'll pick something little closer to home like say...Capcom.
I can't say I'd stop buying Capcom games if this occurred, but it would hurt me a lot and make the purchases uncomfortable.
I can't say I'd stop buying Capcom games if this occurred, but it would hurt me a lot and make the purchases uncomfortable.
THQ-Nordic seems remorseful about how stupid they are. I will personally think twice before purchasing a game from them. I'm not sure it will prevent me outright but there are so many good games that it's easier to buy from someone else.
I think buying used is a decent option too.
Purchasing less THQ-Nordic published games could mean decent developers find another publisher or THQ-Nordic learns from their mistakes. It doesn't "hurt hundreds of developers" it lets them know people they work with are shitty. A few years ago there were neo-nazis running a Christmas tree lot near me. I didn't think, "oh hundreds of tree loggers will be hurt, I better shop at the neo nazi tree lot..."
I think buying used is a decent option too.
Purchasing less THQ-Nordic published games could mean decent developers find another publisher or THQ-Nordic learns from their mistakes. It doesn't "hurt hundreds of developers" it lets them know people they work with are shitty. A few years ago there were neo-nazis running a Christmas tree lot near me. I didn't think, "oh hundreds of tree loggers will be hurt, I better shop at the neo nazi tree lot..."
Won't be buying from them, not even if they made de blob 3
The original announcement tweet/link states "we are the makers of darksiders and de blob"
F@#k you THQN for dragging sweet and pure de blob into this
There are plenty of good games, I won't miss anything THQN touches
The original announcement tweet/link states "we are the makers of darksiders and de blob"
F@#k you THQN for dragging sweet and pure de blob into this
There are plenty of good games, I won't miss anything THQN touches
It is really simple. THQ has an accounting sheet they have to present to THQ AB. I won't contribute to positive growth on their balance but I'm fine with deep silver being supported as long as they aren't subordinate to Nordic.
What's insane is that THQ Nordic did an AMA on 8chan then linked to it for the wider world to see.
The only message they will understand is a boycott. They clearly don't care enough about the complaints and outrage to apologise properly and disown it so yeah, buy other games from other publishers.
Money that goes to THQ goes to child abuse sympathisers. If you're happy with that, go ahead. If it bothers you that I'm saying you're enabling this, maybe you should aim your ire at THQ and not me.
Fantastic explanation. Here is the amount of that point that you countered:
Here is the part that you didn't address.
If you enjoy continuing as much as you coming up with hypothetical situations for why a company might promote a pro-nazi child porn sharing website by sheer naivety as much as you enjoy riding out the same tired horse metaphor, there's a lead-in for you.
It's good to know that as long as you have employees you can do whatever the fuck you want in the name of your company and be insulated from any fallout.
Biomutant was the only game of theirs I was interested in, but given that the studio behind that game is wholly owned by THQN, that's not happening now.
Are you seriously comparing Twitter and Facebook to fucking 8chan
Like, all those platforms have their own massive problems but holy fuck are they not even in the same ballpark
They also plan harassment and doxxing efforts there
So you don't have to visit there for it to affect your life
To ignore that is to be extremely obtuse
"I care about workers, they shouldn't suffer for the sins of their employers!"
"so you think they should unionise?"
"no not that one"
Stop saying what THQ did wasn't a mistake.
Nobody accidentally does an AMA in one of the most populated alt-right hell holes in the internet.
Not only is it super easy to avoid using any of those sites, not a single one was delisted for child porn, so they're really not comparable.
Hey, good job going through my post history just to quote me out of context from a completely different thread.
And if your money goes to Nike, Apple, Starbucks, Adidas, Nestle and Hershey it goes to people that employ sweatshop labor, prison labor and child labor. And that connection is way more direct and concrete. If your happy with that go ahead.
This was at the top of their AMA thread
Any sane company would have seen that shit and headed for the hills. THQ Nordic had a senior executive posting in there, and they didn't even stop after the initial backlash. They even decided to double down on it long before pulling the plug
If you're fine with supporting a company that chose to associate with a site that hosts discussions on sexually abusing children, and then gave some mealy-mouthed "oh we didn't know~" bullshit, that's on you.
I don't think I've bought any games from them, unless we're counting old THQ. But I wouldn't let a couple of bad people stop me from buying something an entire team of completely unrelated people toiled away to make.
Oh my god are you admitting there's a link to paedophilia but you're okay with that?
Fucking hell, man, go wash your face.
My only problem with your first poll option is the use of the word "ever".
Insofar as I am a fallible human myself, I try to be very open to forgiving my fellow beings. And despite how disgusting and horrible this situation is, perhaps the saddest fact of all is that it can be undone and moved on from so easily. All THQ Nordic would have to do to earn my forgiveness is the incredibly simple and minimal thing I would expect from any corporation in this situation – directly apologize, directly reject 8chan, and fire the employee responsible. That's it; and they could still do it at any time, literally within the space of five minutes (maybe a little longer, depending on where the employee is based and if the rules on hiring and firing there are tougher than in the US).
I remain absolutely bewildered why they still haven't done this, and I really don't want to believe that it's because they really do condone 8chan. But, as it stands, they are, as a company, publicly condoning 8chan by their silence. And for so long as that is the case, I cannot and will not buy THQ Nordic product. I think I had listed Biomutant as one of my "top 10 anticipated games of 2019"; and I really feel bad for Experiment 101, and any other developers who are effected by this. But I can't give Lars Wingefors any portion of my money if he's just going to stand by this whole awful business.
Insofar as I am a fallible human myself, I try to be very open to forgiving my fellow beings. And despite how disgusting and horrible this situation is, perhaps the saddest fact of all is that it can be undone and moved on from so easily. All THQ Nordic would have to do to earn my forgiveness is the incredibly simple and minimal thing I would expect from any corporation in this situation – directly apologize, directly reject 8chan, and fire the employee responsible. That's it; and they could still do it at any time, literally within the space of five minutes (maybe a little longer, depending on where the employee is based and if the rules on hiring and firing there are tougher than in the US).
I remain absolutely bewildered why they still haven't done this, and I really don't want to believe that it's because they really do condone 8chan. But, as it stands, they are, as a company, publicly condoning 8chan by their silence. And for so long as that is the case, I cannot and will not buy THQ Nordic product. I think I had listed Biomutant as one of my "top 10 anticipated games of 2019"; and I really feel bad for Experiment 101, and any other developers who are effected by this. But I can't give Lars Wingefors any portion of my money if he's just going to stand by this whole awful business.
Cmon guys, Activision Blizzard laid off 800 just last month. No one's boycotting them, nor are their games selling poorly.
If you truly care about the developers and want them to succeed, search what it is they want from you and try to support them directly.
If you truly care about the developers and want them to succeed, search what it is they want from you and try to support them directly.
Is it worse, though?
On one hand you have this fubar PR debacle, in which someone should probably get fired, but has absolutely NOTHING to do with any developer. On the other hand you have multiple games, with transphobic and homophobic content put in by the developers themselves. But for some reason it's perfectly ok for you guys to hand waive the Atlus stuff (don't pretend that's not what people were doing in that thread), but want to completely blackball every developer that works under the THQ label. It makes zero sense.
The truth is it's THQ, and most of the more vocal "burn them at the stake" people were never concerned about their games in the first place. You can bet your ass if this were Square or Nintendo whatever other developer you are interested in, you guys would be right back to the "case by case" basis stuff.
That's what you got from that? The point I'm trying to make is that games published by Deep Silver are 4 degrees away from THQ a company with a PR team that decided to touch elbows with a site that is linked to CP. There are companies that I guarantee you use everyday that are directly linked to real human tragedy that you or I don't even think about because this is our life under the specter of Capitalism. I don't like it, in fact I hate it, but I'm not going to sweat something that's many steps away from something terrible when I actively contribute to the human misery machine everyday without even thinking about it.
Its not simply a PR team.... The board executive was fully participating and complicit... Top down....
You're black and you're totally okay with giving your money to a company promoting White Supremacy like a its a joke. Help me make some sense out of that.....
You equate associating with a site known for child porn with a company laying employees off? How are those remotely comparable?
The Atlus bullshit is gross, and the attitude on that same thread kinda told me what would happen in this situation. I'm not surprised, ERA is just another gaming community, and gaming is rotten to the core if people already trades values, handwaving hate, bigotry, and even child abuse content.
Yes I know, I work in the environment so this is my daily job. I have to do the best I can with the hand I'm dealt.
The easiest decision I'll make this year is not supporting THQ at all, I can't begin to explain how black and white this is. This isn't about ethical consumption under capitalism, this is a company that chose to associate itself with a board I can't even Google.
"You can't feasibly boycott everything, so don't boycott anything"
More like "let's do the right thing and let the industry restructure."
I get where this poll was trying to go and I think it could have done so much better with a less true/false perspective. Life is not simple and can rarely be boiled down to a bool. I have no idea if I'll ever care about one of their games but voted yes bc the poll is misguided and lacks any nuance (e.g. buy used, pieces of shit are fired etc.).
I think I have had enough of this thread. You're acting as if THQ and every property or company tangentially related are full blown Nazis and every penny going to one of their products is funding some sort of White Supremacy campaign, and that's ridiculous.
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