Yes, but let them instigate first. I shouldn't have to explain why that is important.
Fuck that. Jump those pieces of shit. Anyone feeling bad about the situation can eat shit.
Yes, but let them instigate first. I shouldn't have to explain why that is important.
Yeah but then you are opening yourself up to getting targeted by the police and giving the racist led government a *legitimate under our tone deaf laws* reason to target the antifa counter protesters. Wouldn't it make more sense to not bring that heat on yourself so readily so you can keep up the fight by outnumbering and intimidating them into giving up?Fuck that. Jump those pieces of shit. Anyone feeling bad about the situation can eat shit.
A lot of people around here are almost pro fascism without even realizing it...
Nazis: doing nazi things
Faux moderates: just ignore them
Antifa: *breathes*
Faux moderates (but secretly white supremacy supporters): now wait a minute this ain't right BOTH SIDES
They already target the counter-protestors, don't be daft.Yeah but then you are opening yourself up to getting targeted by the police and giving the racist led government a *legitimate under our tone deaf laws* reason to target the antifa counter protesters. Wouldn't it make more sense to not bring that heat on yourself so readily so you can keep up the fight by outnumbering and intimidating them into giving up?
Yeah but then you are opening yourself up to getting targeted by the police and giving the racist led government a *legitimate under our tone deaf laws* reason to target the antifa counter protesters. Wouldn't it make more sense to not bring that heat on yourself so readily so you can keep up the fight by outnumbering and intimidating them into giving up?
Nah I just see a pattern of strong "anti antifa" and indifference and/or fear towards nazism that often translates into "just do nothing they'll disappear" all while they bulldoze their way back to power, meanwhile, whenever antifa blinks, the so called concerned moderate becomes a powerful ally of the white supremacists, simply by his own ignorance or maybe even on purpose.Huge assumptions about people you don't know. You don't know who they've donated to, supported, or have been involved with. You seem to be painting people in broad strokes because their opinion doesn't perfectly align with yours.
Yeah, I don't have data, but if they definitely do it regardless then you're right. My understanding of the power dynamics between the police and both protesting groups is not 100% accurate so my point could totally be moot in this context, or maybe cause more harm then good.I totally respect your point, but you should know that when I hear Nazis getting their ass beat is a bad idea because it "gives the government a reason..." I start to stare off into space. Regardless of who threw the first punch, if the authorities want to get into the mix, they simply will. They don't need a reason to target anyone.
Yeah but then you are opening yourself up to getting targeted by the police and giving the racist led government a *legitimate under our tone deaf laws* reason to target the antifa counter protesters. Wouldn't it make more sense to not bring that heat on yourself so readily so you can keep up the fight by outnumbering and intimidating them into giving up?
Nah I just see a pattern of strong "anti antifa" and indifference and/or fear towards nazism that often translates into "just do nothing they'll disappear" all while they bulldoze their way back to power, meanwhile, whenever antifa blinks, the so called concerned moderate becomes a powerful ally of the white supremacists, simply by his own ignorance or maybe even on purpose.
A lot of people around here are almost pro fascism without even realizing it...
Nazis: doing nazi things
Faux moderates: just ignore them
Antifa: *breathes*
Faux moderates (but secretly white supremacy supporters): now wait a minute this ain't right BOTH SIDES
The police here in Portland are known fascist sympathizers. In the August 2018 protests, the Proud Boys had a weapons cache on a nearby rooftop and were ready to open fire on peaceful counter-protestors. Cops confiscated the weapons, but refused to prosecute them or hold them responsible in any way. It didn't come out until months later, not even the mayor knew what was happening. The fascists still haven't been punished for their actions. At that same rally, cops opened fire on the (again) peaceful counter-protestors. Several sent the the hospital, one had their damn brain exposed. We also have officers who have been caught in friendly collaborating communication with the Proud Boys, and an officer who built a monument to Nazi Germany officers who last I checked was promoted to being in charge of evidence.I don't know how police in Portland operate, but if they are biased towards protecting the far right demonstrators like we've seen in other cities then I can totally see why It wouldn't make much difference. I've always understood Portland to be a very liberal town, so I may have incorrectly assumed this applied to their policing too. So yeah, I'll concede that I'm probably ignorant on the specifics in this situation and I appreciate the folks who are helping me understand them.
Absolutely abhorrent, that definitely puts it into perspective then. Evidently I need to start keeping much closer tabs on this. Just insane.The police here in Portland are known fascist sympathizers. In the August 2018 protests, the Proud Boys had a weapons cache on a nearby rooftop and were ready to open fire on peaceful counter-protestors. Cops confiscated the weapons, but refused to prosecute them or hold them responsible in any way. It didn't come out until months later, not even the mayor knew what was happening. The fascists still haven't been punished for their actions. At that same rally, cops opened fire on the (again) peaceful counter-protestors. Several sent the the hospital, one had their damn brain exposed. We also have officers who have been caught in friendly collaborating communication with the Proud Boys, and an officer who built a monument to Nazi Germany officers who last I checked was promoted to being in charge of evidence.
I am no expert on how Portland sides either except that I'm aware that antifa has a stronghold there but I'm not even from the US, but it's just that in recent months and probably years whenever there is a clash between these ideologies (and let's be real one is absolutely the worst that has existed in human history) either people try and stay neutral, or very often, lean more to the "worst side in history", but that's not a pattern only encountered on Era or generally just the US. It's a worldwide problem. Just gets me mad lately. I'm not for violence or a violent person at all but I absolutely despise nazism that it makes it probably the one exception to my rule (of no violence whatsoever)That's a legitimate concern and I do see your point. I guess where I'm coming from is that I think hate speech being legally protected as free speech is part of the issue. Nazis can get away with spreading their garbage in public, and our law protects them where as any other liberal democracy would condemn them as their free speech laws exclude spreading hate. And for the counter protesters, they become put in a really unfair and tough situation where they can be targeted for doing the very thing that any other modern democracy would do themselves (shut the hate speech down). That's just how I perceive it I guess and that's why I feel apprehensive toward violence, and maybe I'm not looking at it correctly. I don't know how police in Portland operate, but if they are biased towards protecting the far right demonstrators like we've seen in other cities then I can totally see why It wouldn't make much difference. I've always understood Portland to be a very liberal town, so I may have incorrectly assumed this applied to their policing too. So yeah, I'll concede that I'm probably ignorant on the specifics in this situation and I appreciate the folks who are helping me understand them.
Post the image in quote tags. That shrinks them, while giving people the option to view them at full size.I have both photos, but I just realized I have no idea how to cleanly post images on this board, lol. Every time I try to link imgur, it comes with some shitty huge border, and when I straight link the image they're huge.
Use abload.deI have both photos, but I just realized I have no idea how to cleanly post images on this board, lol. Every time I try to link imgur, it comes with some shitty huge border, and when I straight link the image they're huge.
In Germany, counter protests regularly outsize Neonazi protests by a huge margin and they are generally very peaceful. It's a beautiful thing actually.Why bother having a counter protest? That's what these idiots want.
We also have officers who have been caught in friendly collaborating communication with the Proud Boys, and an officer who built a monument to Nazi Germany officers who last I checked was promoted to being in charge of evidence.
Can you post a link to this story? I haven't heard this before.
Can you post a link to this story? I haven't heard this before.
Nope you're wrong.Countering then won't solve anything it will just enable them to want to keep at it. Idiots.
Fuck that.Countering then won't solve anything it will just enable them to want to keep at it. Idiots.
This was the guy they were parading around as the "victim" of Antifa violence.
This was the same guy moments before.
These same fascists came to Portland in February and sent over a dozen trans feminine people and people of color to the hospital over the course of the month. It only stopped when antifa stood up to them. Our options are stand up to them or let them hurt innocents.Countering then won't solve anything it will just enable them to want to keep at it. Idiots.
He put up a monument consisting of plaques in 1999. He got the city to apologize to him and give him vacation for allowing a private correspondence to call him a Nazi. He got his discipline wiped from the record, and he got an APOLOGY for being punished for it. He still works for Portland Police in charge of Forensic Evidence. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/492458
Holy shit. That's insane.
Nah I just see a pattern of strong "anti antifa" and indifference and/or fear towards nazism that often translates into "just do nothing they'll disappear" all while they bulldoze their way back to power, meanwhile, whenever antifa blinks, the so called concerned moderate becomes a powerful ally of the white supremacists, simply by his own ignorance or maybe even on purpose.
If I just ignore my cancer no one will know it exists and I can keep it quiet, so what if it festers and kills me.You have your opinion, mine is that for groups like the proud boys, their power comes from publicity. When anti fa or whoever shows up to counter what they are essentially doing is turning a nothing event that no one except the attendees would remember into a sellout Broadway show that will be shared tens of thousands of times across the nation and the world. Gifs will be made for posterity, multitudes of YouTube videos will go out and the highlights added to endless anti antifa compilations which are shared yet again on a platform that the far right increasingly dominates. It doesn't matter who "wins" or "loses" ultimately as they will have succeeded in getting the attention they need to remain relevant and get the clicks and shares they need to recruit.
They are counting on a response, it doesn't "thwart their plan" whatsoever.
Was it that absolute grifting cunt Andy Ngo?Fox this morning was warning the Proud Boys of how dangerous Antifa is. They had a "victim" of Antifa violence on the show, apologizing for his answers still suffering from the horror Antifa commited against him.
Then he said it's a shame all this far right AND FAR LEFT shooters have happened lately.
If I just ignore my cancer no one will know it exists and I can keep it quiet, so what if it festers and kills me.
It is funny how bad guys always benefit from the violence of the good guys, but never the other way round.
Countering then won't solve anything it will just enable them to want to keep at it. Idiots.