Fuck that. Jump those pieces of shit. Anyone feeling bad about the situation can eat shit.
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Portland prepares for Proud Boy and antifa face-off this weekend
- Thread starter fluffydelusions
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Fuck that. Jump those pieces of shit. Anyone feeling bad about the situation can eat shit.
Nazis are intrinsically violent and threaten genocide by choosing to exist and any action taken against one is self defense. It's not just naive, it's negligent to not jump them where ever and when ever they show themselves. Never wait when it comes to Nazis and those that shame others for acting are either willingly or unwillingly giving Nazis the time and cover they need to grow, multiply and conquer from within.
A lot of people around here are almost pro fascism without even realizing it...
Nazis: doing nazi things
Faux moderates: just ignore them
Antifa: *breathes*
Faux moderates (but secretly white supremacy supporters): now wait a minute this ain't right BOTH SIDES
Nazis: doing nazi things
Faux moderates: just ignore them
Antifa: *breathes*
Faux moderates (but secretly white supremacy supporters): now wait a minute this ain't right BOTH SIDES
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Yeah but then you are opening yourself up to getting targeted by the police and giving the racist led government a *legitimate under our tone deaf laws* reason to target the antifa counter protesters. Wouldn't it make more sense to not bring that heat on yourself so readily so you can keep up the fight by outnumbering and intimidating them into giving up?
Huge assumptions about people you don't know. You don't know who they've donated to, supported, or have been involved with. You seem to be painting people in broad strokes because their opinion on the approach to counter protest doesn't perfectly align with yours. That does not make them moderates or white supremicists. I don't think anyone here disagrees that the proud boys DESERVE repercussions and a beat down for their bigotry.
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Back in February, a number of nazis who may have been associated with the Proud Boys but I am definitely not accusing the Proud Boys (but it was probably friends of the Proud Boys) sent around 13-16 trans feminine people and people of color (in particular those who are both) to the hospital here in Portland. The number of victims is uncertain since members of said communities are notoriously wary of the media here, given one of our largest news channels is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting (fascist propaganda outlet) and the others are annoyingly dishonest in their "both sides" narratives which paint us in a bad light for existing.
The nazis only backed off when we organized with antifa activists to escort and protect those of us out and about and at risk. Yes, they want us to oppose them because it gets them on the news, but if we don't stand up to them, innocent people will be hurt. It has happened before, as recently as this year.
The nazis only backed off when we organized with antifa activists to escort and protect those of us out and about and at risk. Yes, they want us to oppose them because it gets them on the news, but if we don't stand up to them, innocent people will be hurt. It has happened before, as recently as this year.
I totally respect your point, but you should know that when I hear Nazis getting their ass beat is a bad idea because it "gives the government a reason..." I start to stare off into space. Regardless of who threw the first punch, if the authorities want to get into the mix, they simply will. They don't need a reason to target anyone.
Nah I just see a pattern of strong "anti antifa" and indifference and/or fear towards nazism that often translates into "just do nothing they'll disappear" all while they bulldoze their way back to power, meanwhile, whenever antifa blinks, the so called concerned moderate becomes a powerful ally of the white supremacists, simply by his own ignorance or maybe even on purpose.
Yeah, I don't have data, but if they definitely do it regardless then you're right. My understanding of the power dynamics between the police and both protesting groups is not 100% accurate so my point could totally be moot in this context, or maybe cause more harm then good.
Antifa typically operate in self defense. That's sorta their M.O. They still get all the heat because the cameras don't roll until after the fights started.
Edit: There was a situation a whole ago where the media was showing this old man being the "victim" of antifa violence, but then photos surfaced of him right before the attack and he charged with a baton. I have both photos, but I just realized I have no idea how to cleanly post images on this board, lol. Every time I try to link imgur, it comes with some shitty huge border, and when I straight link the image they're huge.
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That's a legitimate concern and I do see your point. I guess where I'm coming from is that I think hate speech being legally protected as free speech is part of the issue. Nazis can get away with spreading their garbage in public, and our law protects them where as any other liberal democracy would condemn them as their free speech laws exclude spreading hate. And for the counter protesters, they become put in a really unfair and tough situation where they can be targeted for doing the very thing that any other modern democracy would do themselves (shut the hate speech down). That's just how I perceive it I guess and that's why I feel apprehensive toward violence, and maybe I'm not looking at it correctly. I don't know how police in Portland operate, but if they are biased towards protecting the far right demonstrators like we've seen in other cities then I can totally see why It wouldn't make much difference. I've always understood Portland to be a very liberal town, so I may have incorrectly assumed this applied to their policing too. So yeah, I'll concede that I'm probably ignorant on the specifics in this situation and I appreciate the folks who are helping me understand them.
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The police here in Portland are known fascist sympathizers. In the August 2018 protests, the Proud Boys had a weapons cache on a nearby rooftop and were ready to open fire on peaceful counter-protestors. Cops confiscated the weapons, but refused to prosecute them or hold them responsible in any way. It didn't come out until months later, not even the mayor knew what was happening. The fascists still haven't been punished for their actions. At that same rally, cops opened fire on the (again) peaceful counter-protestors. Several sent the the hospital, one had their damn brain exposed. We also have officers who have been caught in friendly collaborating communication with the Proud Boys, and an officer who built a monument to Nazi Germany officers who last I checked was promoted to being in charge of evidence.
Absolutely abhorrent, that definitely puts it into perspective then. Evidently I need to start keeping much closer tabs on this. Just insane.
I am no expert on how Portland sides either except that I'm aware that antifa has a stronghold there but I'm not even from the US, but it's just that in recent months and probably years whenever there is a clash between these ideologies (and let's be real one is absolutely the worst that has existed in human history) either people try and stay neutral, or very often, lean more to the "worst side in history", but that's not a pattern only encountered on Era or generally just the US. It's a worldwide problem. Just gets me mad lately. I'm not for violence or a violent person at all but I absolutely despise nazism that it makes it probably the one exception to my rule (of no violence whatsoever)
You guys absolutely do need hate speech laws though, ask any person from countries with sensible hate speech laws, nobody is really restricted in their free speech. It just makes people more responsible in what they say. But I doubt in the current US climate anyone could suggest such a thing when ideologies are being put on equal footing even when one is a counter ideology that is a) completely unorganized except when it has to act as a counter and b) exists out of sheer necessity.
Edit: yikes at the cops in Portland though.
Post the image in quote tags. That shrinks them, while giving people the option to view them at full size.
This was the guy they were parading around as the "victim" of Antifa violence.
This was the same guy moments before.
This was the same guy moments before.
Once again for those saying no violence, or even worse, ignore them, that's why they're in power to begin with. And it's not a valid opinion or political opinion anyway, nazism is a virus or invasive pest and should be treated as such.
In Germany, counter protests regularly outsize Neonazi protests by a huge margin and they are generally very peaceful. It's a beautiful thing actually.
That said, I don't think that's what's gonna happen here...
Can you post a link to this story? I haven't heard this before.
He put up a monument consisting of plaques in 1999. He got the city to apologize to him and give him vacation for allowing a private correspondence to call him a Nazi. He got his discipline wiped from the record, and he got an APOLOGY for being punished for it. He still works for Portland Police in charge of Forensic Evidence. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/article/492458
So tired of these fuckheads coming to Portland from out of town to stir up shit, they love coming here and I'm sure the friendly police are a big part of it
Ahhhhhhahaha.
I love it when fascist try to act like meek victims. They pull the pathetic begging/old/weak Palpatine front when he is distracting Windu.
Moderates: "No, there must be another way!"
These same fascists came to Portland in February and sent over a dozen trans feminine people and people of color to the hospital over the course of the month. It only stopped when antifa stood up to them. Our options are stand up to them or let them hurt innocents.
Holy shit. That's insane.
You have your opinion, mine is that for groups like the proud boys, their power comes from publicity. When anti fa or whoever shows up to counter what they are essentially doing is turning a nothing event that no one except the attendees would remember into a sellout Broadway show that will be shared tens of thousands of times across the nation and the world. Gifs will be made for posterity, multitudes of YouTube videos will go out and the highlights added to endless anti antifa compilations which are shared yet again on a platform that the far right increasingly dominates. It doesn't matter who "wins" or "loses" ultimately as they will have succeeded in getting the attention they need to remain relevant and get the clicks and shares they need to recruit.
They are counting on a response, it doesn't "thwart their plan" whatsoever.
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If I just ignore my cancer no one will know it exists and I can keep it quiet, so what if it festers and kills me.
Fox this morning was warning the Proud Boys of how dangerous Antifa is. They had a "victim" of Antifa violence on the show, apologizing for his answers still suffering from the horror Antifa commited against him.
Then he said it's a shame all this far right AND FAR LEFT shooters have happened lately.
Then he said it's a shame all this far right AND FAR LEFT shooters have happened lately.
Cancers can spread rapidly and aggressively as a result of incorrect action.
Analogies to one side, if you can convince me that there being a brawl at one of these things isn't doing the Proud Boys a massive favour, I'll change my mind.
It is funny how bad guys always benefit from the violence of the good guys, but never the other way round.
Good guys usually aren't blatant hypocrites, while bad guys always are.
