Power battle - Final Fantasy 7 (Cloud/Sephiroth) vs Final Fantasy 16 (Clive/Ultima)

[Master Chuuster]

Got into this conversation with my brother about who is the most OP character between Clive and Sephiroth (I think it's Clive, he think it's Sephiroth). Throwing in Cloud and Ultima for fun.

Who would win in a fight, era?

 

[Einbroch]

It's Clive. Of course, no one compares to the queen, Lightning.

 

[FF Seraphim]

I mean... Clive fought in Space and didn't need to breathe air.

 

[Synohan]

Clive, but the strongest character in the franchise is definitely Lightning, no contest.

 

[ventuno]

The character who'd put up the biggest fight before Lightning beats him is Clive.

 

[skeezx]

Lightning for sure

 

[speiky]

My heart says Sephiroth but my head says Clive.
Dude has a built in summon…can semi-prime and use other Eikon powers.

 

[Trigger]

Sephiroth.

It's all in the hair.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Honestly I think Sephiroth at the peak of his power is probably more powerful than Clive, considering Sephiroth canonically needed a whole party of people to put him down. And he just came back a few years later anyway.

And both Sephiroth and Clive can transform into giant monsters, so it's not like Clive has the Ifrit transformation as a boon over Seph.

 

[Wrexis]

Who would win in a fight, era?

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Not a fight, it's a BBQ, and Cloud is on the menu.

 

[Kayze]

Clive needs to transform into an Eikon to fight other Eikons while 7 Characters like Sephiroth, Cloud, and Zack can use w/e Summon and fight Summons straight up.

 

[Hoggle]

Cloud wins because people like him, and in Japan the power of friendship beats all. Poor Clive.

 

[Glasfrut]

It's Clive

 

[Lord Vatek]

Clive kills literal God, straight-up.

Sephiroth is just a wannabe god.

 

[Spehornoob]

Cloud wins because people like him, and in Japan the power of friendship beats all. Poor Clive.

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But Clive literally weaponizes the power of friendship at the end of the game.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Clive kills literal God, straight-up.

Sephiroth is just a wannabe god.

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The entire point of FFXVI's story is that Ultima isn't actually God, just an alien prick who wants to be worshipped as one despite doing literally nothing to deserve it.

 

[Musubi]

It's Clive. Of course, no one compares to the queen, Lightning.

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One and done.

 

[TheChungusAmongUs]

Cloud wins because people like him, and in Japan the power of friendship beats all. Poor Clive.

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Clive literally uses the power of friendship to kill god at the end of 16.

And in the most literal sense possible.

 

[Master Chuuster]

The entire point of FFXVI's story is that Ultima isn't actually God, just an alien prick who wants to be worshipped as one despite doing literally nothing to deserve it.

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Sounds like a god to me

 

[Hoggle]

But Clive literally weaponizes the power of friendship at the end of the game.

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Clive literally uses the power of friendship to kill god at the end of 16.

And in the most literal sense possible.

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Guys…I meant no one in Era likes him. It was a joke.

 

[TheChungusAmongUs]

Guys…I meant no one in Era likes him. It was a joke.

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I like Clive. I don't like his game that much, but I like Clive.

 

[Lord Vatek]

The entire point of FFXVI's story is that Ultima isn't actually God, just an alien prick who wants to be worshipped as one despite doing literally nothing to deserve it.

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He's an alien prick who still created all life on the planet and the Mothercrystals.

 

[Master Chuuster]

Guys…I meant no one in Era likes him. It was a joke.

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Clive is the one thing about FF16 I would say everyone seems to like.

 

[Glasfrut]

The entire point of FFXVI's story is that Ultima isn't actually God, just an alien prick who wants to be worshipped as one despite doing literally nothing to deserve it.

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So...Sephiroth/Jenova...😏

 

[Reyes]

Cloud is one of the strongest FF Protagonists from the Non MMO Games.

Clive and FF16 peak at Planet level.

Cloud is stronger than that alone just due to scaling to Zack when he fought Bahamut, not even counting the level FF7 is at the end being Solor System level.

Having access to Petrification, Shape Shifting, etc that Clive has no real counter to.

FF16 is on the Weaker end of Final Fanatsy.

 

[Brodo Baggins]

I like Clive. I don't like his game that much, but I like Clive.

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Yep Clive carries the game hard. Everything else aside, Ben Starr crushed it in that role.

 

[Kalentan]

Guys…I meant no one in Era likes him. It was a joke.

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Huh?

Even people who are more critical of FF16 generally agree that Clive is easily one if not the best part of the game, lol

Ben Starr fucking killed it.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

He's an alien prick who still created all life on the planet and the Mothercrystals.

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He didn't actually create life. He nudged it in the direction he wanted it to go.

 

[Reyes]

Clive kills literal God, straight-up.

Sephiroth is just a wannabe god.

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Ultima isn't actually a god and from his feats alone he is pretty puny compared to Sephiroth and the Weapons.

 

[LiK]

Def Clive

 

[RROCKMAN]

Clive would get washed by Knights of Round and Bahumut ZERO

Let alone W-summon

 

[Hoggle]

I apologise to Clive for saying he has no friends. I have a Covid fever and I regret my actions. This is not who I am.

 

[Reyes]

Clive would get washed by Knights of Round and Bahumut ZERO

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Wouldn't even make it to the higher tier summons.

Power Output is just above anything FF16 has to offer.

 

[Lord Vatek]

Clive would get washed by Knights of Round and Bahumut ZERO

Let alone W-summon

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Bahamut ZERO stops at Teraflare.

XVI Bahamut can go up to Zettaflare.

 

[Spehornoob]

Guys…I meant no one in Era likes him. It was a joke.

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I know. I was just playing around lol

 

[Minthara]

Think Clive wins out of the 4 of them, Lightning beats them all and then Lightning loses to the strongest protag in the franchise: FF11's Adventurer.

Beats Gods, time Gods, reality warpers and everything else in a heartbeat with no issue.

 

[Reyes]

Clive, but the strongest character in the franchise is definitely Lightning, no contest.

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Lighting is up there but in terms of FF Protags from the Non MMO Games (because if they are included lol they stomp) the strongest is still Squall

 

[Lord Vatek]

Think Clive wins out of the 4 of them, Lightning beats them all and then Lightning loses to the strongest protag in the franchise: FF11's Adventurer.

Beats Gods, time Gods, reality warpers and everything else in a heartbeat with no issue.

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The MMO protagonists are on a different level entirely.

 

[QisTopTier]

Adol Christin beats them all free :P

but of those it's Clive

 

[Diablos]

It's Clive. Of course, no one compares to the queen, Lightning.

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She was born into a fal'Cie world.
Raised on a fal'Cie leash.
Forced to eat fal'Cie value brand potato chips.
Her life had no purpose.

 

[Minthara]

The MMO protagonists are on a different level entirely.

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I think 14's isn't nearly on 11's power level yet, long way to go for that. 14's WOL is pretty equal to Lightning if not a bit below.

So far at least...

 

[MegaSackman]

Sephiroth can cast spells without repercusions.

Edit: Clive didn't even get to defeat Bahamut without help.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Bahamut ZERO stops at Teraflare.

XVI Bahamut can go up to Zettaflare.

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To be fair, that means Donald Duck could kill all of them.

 

[Lord Vatek]

To be fair, that means Donald Duck could kill all of them.

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This is true. KH Donald is the strongest character in the Square Enix multiverse.

 

[Minthara]

Sephiroth can cast spells without repercusions.

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Sephiroth and Ultima have a similar weakness - Likely to go off on nonsensical monologues no one really cares about but them.

 

[Diogo Arez]

Clive's 999999 punch is so over the top that it gets the vote regardless of actual strength haha
No, but seriously I think it's Clive by far

 

[QisTopTier]

Sephiroth can cast spells without repercusions.

Edit: Clive didn't even get to defeat Bahamut without help.

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These are both technically false as marks against clive, that version of clive that beats bahamut is what he uses to beat ultima, and until clive removed magic from the world he had infinite casts as well

 

[Neutron]

I was going to ask where Donald Duck is in this equation but didn't Dion boot him out of the Final Fantasy power rankings?

 

[Spehornoob]

Setting MMO protags aside, I'm pretty sure Clive is one of the strongest FF protagonists. The only ones I think are stronger are XIII-2 and onward Lightning, and Noctis with the Ring of The Lucii.

Cloud is like Captain-America-if-he-were-anime-tier

I think the party members from V are relatively strong too, if you're assuming maximum potential

Clive is the one thing about FF16 I would say everyone seems to like.

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Ironic since him being a 2006-era edgelord was one of the biggest assumed criticisms pre-release. The power of Ben Starr.

 

[QisTopTier]

I was going to ask where Donald Duck is in this equation but didn't Dion boot him out of the Final Fantasy power rankings?

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Dion didn't die to cast it, so yeah