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jroc74

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Oct 27, 2017
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I've said it before but the reason these companies are taking every precaution is not because of the mortality rate, it's that they don't want to have to close entire departments for quarantine reasons. All it takes is one person to carry the infection to infect everyone in a studio within hours.
I can believe this.

After the anthrax attacks most govt agencies moved main mailrooms off site to warehouses.

For this exact reason.

Dealing with, evacuating a warehouse with less than 10 employees is a lot easier vs a govt building.
 

KOHIPEET

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Oct 29, 2017
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I just read the article yesterday. It could be amazing if it's true about the fact that DLSS 2.0 could be easily implemented by devs in new games.

Can we compare DLSS with AI uspcale avaible in some high end TV like LG C9 ? Can We use both of them in same time ?
I'm far from being an expert on the matter, but DLSS is a lot more advanced than the upscalers found in TVs and it needs dedicated hw (Tensor cores) so it's adoptation for consoles is unlikely.
 

Dokkaebi G0SU

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Nov 2, 2017
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While I'm pretty excited as well, the one thing that hasn't been confirmed yet is 7nm+.
I guess im reading their slide wrong then.

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Kschreck

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Oct 27, 2017
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Pennsylvania
With gaming events being canceled left and right, world economies beginning to crumble (ie: see stock market numbers for past week), coronavirus taking a hold of most continents (will spread everywhere)... this is going to be a long and rough year or years moving forward.

I don't think it's a stretch to see next gen consoles getting delayed into 2021. I hope not and I hope that they can develop a vaccine for the virus. Even though the death rate seems similar to regular influenza, it would be nice to fight it off.
 

Dekim

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Oct 28, 2017
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Whelp, any hope of PS5 leaks from GDC is gone. Hell, GDC being cancelled entirely tomorrow wouldn't surprise me. I see E3 being cancelled at this rate.
 

Heidern

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Oct 30, 2017
644
Connecticut
As we discuss chip revisions and steppings those are the die sizes that are likely if Sony has more CUs. As it looks like BC is based on disabling a full SE. The assumption below is to add more CUs you have to add another SE. If you add another SE it would be of advantage to add the same number of CUs as you already have in the other two SEs.

The calculation is based on what was measured from a 5700XT, a Zen 2 8C/16T core CCX, and an 8% uplift for RT per CU.

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That would be a bigger chip than for example this (my expectation for XSX):
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Did you consult with all the devs that make their in-game text too small when you designed these charts? :)
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think that cpu id is for Oberon or both Ariel and Oberon (or more accurately, whatever the APU is called) but AFAIK 13F9 is not reflected in it. 0x840f40= Family 17h, Model 44h (4), Revision E0
In github leak, 0x840f10 is also mentioned for Oberon which would be.. Family 17h, Model 14h (4), Revision B0

How did you read the E0?

I thought 13E9 was Ariel and 13F9 was Oberon. The APU were/are Gonzalo(Ariel iGPU) /Flute (oberon iGPU)



 
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coldcrush

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I'm sorry if this is a topic that has already been covered but surely with this level of disruption from Corona virus there has to be a massive impact to Chinese manufacture of basically what I would assume is most of the components found at multiple levels of the hardware, especially next gen systems. Is it fair to assume that Microsoft and Sony may have not produced large volume of manufactured final units yet. Did Albert Penello ever mention roughly how long before an approximate holiday launch of next gen systems they would likely be in full manufacture mode? I wonder if both companies may have to re assess whatever marketing strategy timelines they have based off this. Especially as Sony have not announced final specs, I assume the order of features, price and date announcements are very carefully considered against one another and may impact the other marketing campaign.
 

sangreal

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Oct 25, 2017
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How did you read the E0?

I thought 13F8 was Ariel and 13F9 was Oberon. The APU were/are Gonzalo(Ariel iGPU) /Flute (oberon iGPU)





I think Ariel was 13E9 but what I am trying to say is those are PCI IDs that, as far as I know, can't be derived from that CPU ID

0x840f40 = 00000000 10000100 00001111 01000000
(From right to left)
Stepping = Bits 3-0 = 0000 = 0
BaseModel = Bits 7-4 = 0100 = 4
BaseFamily = Bits 11-8 = 1111 = 15
ExtModel = Bits 19-16 = 0100 = 4
ExtFamily = Bits 27-20 = 00001000 = 8

Family = 15 + 8 = 23 = 0x17
Model = Concat BaseModel & ExtModel = 0x44
Revision = Convert BaseModel to letter (0=A) = E + Stepping (0) = E0

 
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Akabeko

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm sorry if this is a topic that has already been covered but surely with this level of disruption from Corona virus there has to be a massive impact to Chinese manufacture of basically what I would assume is most of the components found at multiple levels of the hardware, especially next gen systems. Is it fair to assume that Microsoft and Sony may have not produced large volume of manufactured final units yet. Did Albert Penello ever mention roughly how long before an approximate holiday launch of next gen systems they would likely be in full manufacture mode? I wonder if both companies may have to re assess whatever marketing strategy timelines they have based off this. Especially as Sony have not announced final specs, I assume the order of features, price and date announcements are very carefully considered against one another and may impact the other marketing campaign.

From AMD's earning call, they expected to start ramping production in Q2, with most production happening in 2H.
For 2020, we expect first quarter semi-custom revenue to be negligible and the ramp of next generation semi-custom products to start in the second quarter with revenue to be heavily weighted towards the second half of the year.
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Ariel was 13E9 but what I am trying to say is those are PCI IDs that, as far as I know, can't be derived from that CPU ID

0x840f00 = 00000000 10000100 00001111 01000000
(From right to left)
Stepping = Bits 3-0 = 0000 = 0
BaseModel = Bits 7-4 = 0100 = 4
BaseFamily = Bits 11-8 = 1111 = 15
ExtModel = Bits 19-16 = 0100 = 4
ExtFamily = Bits 27-20 = 00001000 = 8

Family = 15 + 8 = 23 = 0x17
Model = Concat BaseModel & ExtModel = 0x44
Revision = Convert BaseModel to letter (0=A) = E + Stepping (0) = E0

THANK YOU

edit: yes, I wrote the Ariel Id incorrectly. will fix.
 

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I think Ariel was 13E9 but what I am trying to say is those are PCI IDs that, as far as I know, can't be derived from that CPU ID

0x840f00 = 00000000 10000100 00001111 01000000
(From right to left)
Stepping = Bits 3-0 = 0000 = 0
BaseModel = Bits 7-4 = 0100 = 4
BaseFamily = Bits 11-8 = 1111 = 15
ExtModel = Bits 19-16 = 0100 = 4
ExtFamily = Bits 27-20 = 00001000 = 8

Family = 15 + 8 = 23 = 0x17
Model = Concat BaseModel & ExtModel = 0x44
Revision = Convert BaseModel to letter (0=A) = E + Stepping (0) = E0

What does it all mean though?
 

Postal_chaos

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Oct 26, 2017
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At this point, maybe it would benefit everyone if Sony and Microsoft did a Nintendo direct style presentation for the new consoles to avoid large crowds.
 

Kyoufu

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Oct 26, 2017
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Godfall devs just said they're sharing more news "really really soon". I'm expecting it to be at the PS5 reveal event.

Here's the clip:

 
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Sunlight

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Apr 22, 2019
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Do we still have chance to get some PS5 info? The full reveal may be delayed to May/June due to Coronavirus. However PS5 news can keep the fans' momentum.
 

klik

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Apr 4, 2018
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This generation was gen of delays so i have a feeling and it will be icing on a cake that next gen consoles will also be delayed until 2021
 

III-V

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Oct 25, 2017
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What does it all mean though?
It means Komachi found Oberon E0 on Jan 6 but mistakenly reported it as Ariel E0, later correcting himself.

But there is no way to infer the PCI-ID from the CPU-ID so he must have additional information past 0x840f10.

Note: Revision number is comprised of:
BaseModel + Stepping#

sangreal do you have any estimation of how much can change with a revision consisting of an updated base model?
 

Ateron

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Oct 30, 2017
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Sony clearly has a weaker console, gets caught at the prospect of having to go against a beastly 12tf machine, so they scrap everything, blow their remaining budget on bio engineering the Corona virus so they can stall the entire industry while they scramble to make 3 extra Tf pop out of thin air.

It's a conspiracy I tell you
 
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