1) They would have announced this.
2) It looks horrible so it's a terrible job if this was intentional.
I'm not sold on auto HDR yet but it's using machine learning to map colors I'm SDR games to HDR, and it's not the entire UX running this way
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PS5 Displays SDR Content in HDR Container
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1) They would have announced this.
2) It looks horrible so it's a terrible job if this was intentional.
I'm not sold on auto HDR yet but it's using machine learning to map colors I'm SDR games to HDR, and it's not the entire UX running this way
Weirdly condescending and antagonistic response to me saying they should patch in a match dynamic range option, but ok.
I agree with him 100%, system wide HDR even though they have SDR in the container toned mapped does not work, all we're asking for is auto switching for HDR/SDR content like how it worked on the PS4/Pro, we just want the ability to correctly calibrate our content.
But that's exactly what I mean by a "match dynamic range" option. SDR output for SDR content, HDR output for HDR content. Like it is on Apple TV.
Sorry, there was no intention of being condescending or antagonistic. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is not a matter of preferences of settings. What Sony did is objectively wrong regardless of the TV being used or the fact that some people are ok with it or don't notice the difference.
I don't know at this point. Has there been any official statement about it? The cynic side of me thinks that is some sort "we have it too" response to MS auto HDR for some BC content, just implemented very poorly.
Good to know! Tone often doesn't come across properly online.
I agree that it absolutely needs to be be an on/off/match setting. Apple TV is a good example of this. But *personally* the current set up look alright to me.
Exactly. I like the PS5 and what it is capable of doing, but some of Sony decisions are rubbing me the wrong way, like the removal of folders in the UI, lack of VRR at launch, the coil whining issue and now this. Anyway I'll stop ranting for real and hope things get patched.
I'm glad this thread has kept some momentum. Not sure if Sony people lurk here but I imagine it's something they've gotten feedback on. Still hoping for a change in a software update soon.
To be more specific, I'm not asking for the current behavior to go away. I'm simply asking for a new, separate option for those of us that want proper switching between SDR and HDR. I don't know why anyone would be against this. You can keep things as is, if you like that, or you can move to a format switching option if you want that. More options, not fewer.
I heard back from the Devs about this game. No native HDR support.
Nope, such as above
Man, just had to wrestle with my C9 and PS5 as I'm heading towards some PS4 plats and man, I tried dialling it in with HDR mode and it wasn't having it, so just switched it to SDR, re setup all my picture settings and it looks great again now. I really hope they fix this soon.
HDTV Test (Vincent) just did a video going over all the PS5 video settings. He says if there's enough interest he'll do a full video showcasing the issues with displaying SDR content within HDR signals.
He also makes an important note that the system does automatically switch to SDR mode only in the BD movie app. So SDR content on discs will play fine in SDR, but all other SDR content (video streaming & gaming) is tone mapped.
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He also makes an important note that the system does automatically switch to SDR mode only in the BD movie app. So SDR content on discs will play fine in SDR, but all other SDR content (video streaming & gaming) is tone mapped.
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Glad we finally have an expert weighing in so that all the naysayers can see that, yes, this is an actual issue. Again, not that there was ever any doubt.
Just finished the video. Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but I swear folks in the past complained that when leaving PlayStation rgb range to auto and their lg tv to auto that there were weird hiccups and sometimes PlayStation would send high and tv would send low.
Is it bad to have ps5 set to limited and TV set to low? Am I missing out on anything? I know Vincent said to leave both at auto but I'm worried about that those cases where either the tv or the console screws up what output to send.
I hated the constant switching the PS4 Pro did, so I was convinced I wanted this, but this thread makes a compelling argument why it's necessary not to.
Tough call, so they should give the option imo. Auto switching sdr/hdr or constant hdr. Just give people options.
Tough call, so they should give the option imo. Auto switching sdr/hdr or constant hdr. Just give people options.
Since he didn't mention a problem with a low/low match it seems the implication is that IF you want to use a full-range signal at all then leave it to auto. If you want to use a limited signal then you're all good.
Yeah since he didn't say to avoid low+limited I think there's no downside? I think since I have an older avr right now. (Waiting for my earc Sharc to come) i'll Go with limited+low for now since I'm paranoid my receiver might screw things up and send the wrong signal once in awhile. But once I got the tv connected directly to ps5 i'll Switch to auto for both. Thanks!
I think I checked out of this thread when someone said someone else's professionally calibrated TV was wrong...
Auto didn't work for me on my C8 and had to manually adjust it but it seems to work fine on my PS5.
So the other day I tried switching HDR off in the interest of this thread.
Unless Fortnite also uses HDR (don't think it does) - my results were strange. It looked gorgeous with the HDR setting on PS5 turned on, and when I turned it off (restarted PS5 and TV) it looked awful. Like super dark, the colours were hyper saturated, it was just weird.
Thing is, Fortnite looked fucking great on those same settings on my PS4 last week. Unless my TV is doing something, I'm not really sure what the PS5 is doing.
Either way, I'm just leaving the setting on. Everything I've played has looked gorgeous so far and I haven't really had an issue until I turned it off lol.
Unless Fortnite also uses HDR (don't think it does) - my results were strange. It looked gorgeous with the HDR setting on PS5 turned on, and when I turned it off (restarted PS5 and TV) it looked awful. Like super dark, the colours were hyper saturated, it was just weird.
Thing is, Fortnite looked fucking great on those same settings on my PS4 last week. Unless my TV is doing something, I'm not really sure what the PS5 is doing.
Either way, I'm just leaving the setting on. Everything I've played has looked gorgeous so far and I haven't really had an issue until I turned it off lol.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in trying to parse all the comments, it sounds like if I have some nice SDR classic movie on blu-ray, it won't be affected by this issue? But SDR games and SDR streamed video content will encounter the problem? It sucks that it's happening, but I'm most concerned with how it will affect all the movies I plan on watching.
Yes, that's exactly right. This affects everything except Blu-rays.
Cool, thank you! Hopefully they'll implement more options soon to fixe the other content, but I'm relieved to hear my precious Criterion blu rays will still display properly on my calibrated TV.
So I tried playing NHL 21 on my PS5 today.
The funny thing is it's not the whiteness of the ice that's the worst part. It's the white and other bright/neon colors in the otherwise dark menus. Piercing brightness.
Pretty annoying that I have to manually switch from SDR to HDR and back every time I play one game.
The funny thing is it's not the whiteness of the ice that's the worst part. It's the white and other bright/neon colors in the otherwise dark menus. Piercing brightness.
Pretty annoying that I have to manually switch from SDR to HDR and back every time I play one game.
If I turn it off, will my hdr disks play in sdr,?
If I leave it on, blurays will be in sdr and uhds will be in hdr, but sdr game or streaming service will be mapped to hdr?
Am I understanding this right? Thanks, I hope that's not too confusing.
If I leave it on, blurays will be in sdr and uhds will be in hdr, but sdr game or streaming service will be mapped to hdr?
Am I understanding this right? Thanks, I hope that's not too confusing.
I've read a few concerns over the PS5 running in HDR mode all the time, so I decided to do some testing (disclaimer: I'm no expert).
Using a i1Display Pro and the iProfiler software, I've been able to measure the peak brightness of the PS5 in HDR and SDR on the LG CX OLED using the display uniformity test.
I've annotated a screenshot of the results here:
It should be self explanatory, if not heres the breakdown...
Four measurements have been taken of the PS5 UI, all measuring a white patch on screen for the Luminance (brightness). One was on the Adjust HDR screen in settings and the other three are using a game logo in the library with a white background, similar to the 10% window on screen 1/3 in Adjust HDR.
HDR On, Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
So firstly, using my calibrated picture mode "Game (in HDR)", I measured about 243cd/m2. Noting that this isn't the maximum brightness that the screen can achieve.
HDR Off (SDR), Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
Using my calibrated picture mode "Game (in SDR)", I mesured 97cd/m2 which tallies up with the reference brightness of 100cd/m2 for SDR content in a dark room.
HDR Off (SDR), Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
I then changed to the "isf Expert (Bright Room)" picture mode and I measured 215cd/m2, which is close to the brightness measured with HDR on.
Adjust HDR Screen Peak White (2\3):
Finally for verification, I measured about 636cd/m2 in "Game (in HDR)" picture mode, which is approximately the brightest white any pixel on my TV will go. Meaning that the other HDR result wasn't being clipped by my calibration.
Note: I missed it off on the image above, but the measurement on the Adjust HDR screen 1/3 for the full field white was 128cd/m2.
I think if anyone is concerned about getting burn-in from the PS5 UI elements in HDR mode, it looks like Sony has set the peak brightness of anything on screen in the UI to be approximately the same as SDR when using a picture mode meant for bright sun/daytime viewing e.g 215cd/m2.
This all means that, running in SDR to prevent burn in of the PS5 UI on an OLED TV is probably not worth it.
Using a i1Display Pro and the iProfiler software, I've been able to measure the peak brightness of the PS5 in HDR and SDR on the LG CX OLED using the display uniformity test.
I've annotated a screenshot of the results here:
It should be self explanatory, if not heres the breakdown...
Four measurements have been taken of the PS5 UI, all measuring a white patch on screen for the Luminance (brightness). One was on the Adjust HDR screen in settings and the other three are using a game logo in the library with a white background, similar to the 10% window on screen 1/3 in Adjust HDR.
HDR On, Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
So firstly, using my calibrated picture mode "Game (in HDR)", I measured about 243cd/m2. Noting that this isn't the maximum brightness that the screen can achieve.
HDR Off (SDR), Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
Using my calibrated picture mode "Game (in SDR)", I mesured 97cd/m2 which tallies up with the reference brightness of 100cd/m2 for SDR content in a dark room.
HDR Off (SDR), Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
I then changed to the "isf Expert (Bright Room)" picture mode and I measured 215cd/m2, which is close to the brightness measured with HDR on.
Adjust HDR Screen Peak White (2\3):
Finally for verification, I measured about 636cd/m2 in "Game (in HDR)" picture mode, which is approximately the brightest white any pixel on my TV will go. Meaning that the other HDR result wasn't being clipped by my calibration.
Note: I missed it off on the image above, but the measurement on the Adjust HDR screen 1/3 for the full field white was 128cd/m2.
I think if anyone is concerned about getting burn-in from the PS5 UI elements in HDR mode, it looks like Sony has set the peak brightness of anything on screen in the UI to be approximately the same as SDR when using a picture mode meant for bright sun/daytime viewing e.g 215cd/m2.
This all means that, running in SDR to prevent burn in of the PS5 UI on an OLED TV is probably not worth it.
I've read a few concerns over the PS5 running in HDR mode all the time, so I decided to do some testing (disclaimer: I'm no expert).
Using a i1Display Pro and the iProfiler software, I've been able to measure the peak brightness of the PS5 in HDR and SDR on the LG CX OLED using the display uniformity test.
I've annotated a screenshot of the results here:
It should be self explanatory, if not heres the breakdown...
Four measurements have been taken of the PS5 UI, all measuring a white patch on screen for the Luminance (brightness). One was on the Adjust HDR screen in settings and the other three are using a game logo in the library with a white background, similar to the 10% window on screen 1/3 in Adjust HDR.
HDR On, Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
So firstly, using my calibrated picture mode "Game (in HDR)", I measured about 243cd/m2. Noting that this isn't the maximum brightness that the screen can achieve.
HDR Off (SDR), Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
Using my calibrated picture mode "Game (in SDR)", I mesured 97cd/m2 which tallies up with the reference brightness of 100cd/m2 for SDR content in a dark room.
HDR Off (SDR), Peak Luminance of the White Game Logo:
I then changed to the "isf Expert (Bright Room)" picture mode and I measured 215cd/m2, which is close to the brightness measured with HDR on.
Adjust HDR Screen Peak White (2\3):
Finally for verification, I measured about 636cd/m2 in "Game (in HDR)" picture mode, which is approximately the brightest white any pixel on my TV will go. Meaning that the other HDR result wasn't being clipped by my calibration.
Note: I missed it off on the image above, but the measurement on the Adjust HDR screen 1/3 for the full field white was 128cd/m2.
I think if anyone is concerned about getting burn-in from the PS5 UI elements in HDR mode, it looks like Sony has set the peak brightness of anything on screen in the UI to be approximately the same as SDR when using a picture mode meant for bright sun/daytime viewing e.g 215cd/m2.
This all means that, running in SDR to prevent burn in of the PS5 UI on an OLED TV is probably not worth it.
Didn't want this post to go uncredited, if this is accurate then oled burn-in due to the PS5 running in HDR mode on the UI may not be a worry.
How is the brightness effected in SDR games while running in HDR mode, is it similar to the UI?
NHL 21 doesn't have HDR?So I tried playing NHL 21 on my PS5 today.
The funny thing is it's not the whiteness of the ice that's the worst part. It's the white and other bright/neon colors in the otherwise dark menus. Piercing brightness.
Pretty annoying that I have to manually switch from SDR to HDR and back every time I play one game.
Or do you mean a TV programme?
I decided to watch Mandalorian and Discovery on PS5 last night to try it out and they both looked great.
Yeah NHL 21 doesn't have HDR, so it's an SDR game playing in an HDR container, which makes it bright as fuuuuck.
I know it's only a roster update this year but I thought all big sports games would have it since 2017.
NHL gets way less in terms up upgrades and features compared to EA's other sport games because of the smaller userbase.
In my experience, this HDR filter or container that doesn't even add any HDR to SDR games just looks horrible on any SDR game cause it actually reduces the color and overall look massively.
Playing Genshin with system HDR activated and then without looks like day and night.
With this container it looks so gray and colorless and even slightly unsharp like looking through actual milk glass.
Then deactivating it system wide is a real eye opener. Suddenly someone activated the color switch and the game finally pops like it should be and looks crystal clear and sharp and fantastic.
I don't know if other games also show this so drastically but on Genshin it's crazy and I have no idea why there isn't more uproar on how awful the picture quality is on SDR games with this forced HDR container, not even Digital Foundry Dark1x mentioned that anywhere.
I noticed it second I booted up PS5 for the first time and switched around HDR for once. The dashboard immediately felt a little bit cleaner, clearer and sharper to me, it's weird what they did here.
Playing Genshin with system HDR activated and then without looks like day and night.
With this container it looks so gray and colorless and even slightly unsharp like looking through actual milk glass.
Then deactivating it system wide is a real eye opener. Suddenly someone activated the color switch and the game finally pops like it should be and looks crystal clear and sharp and fantastic.
I don't know if other games also show this so drastically but on Genshin it's crazy and I have no idea why there isn't more uproar on how awful the picture quality is on SDR games with this forced HDR container, not even Digital Foundry Dark1x mentioned that anywhere.
I noticed it second I booted up PS5 for the first time and switched around HDR for once. The dashboard immediately felt a little bit cleaner, clearer and sharper to me, it's weird what they did here.
Sucks that you have to turn off settings in OS menu every time you want to play it.
I'm not sure I've played any non HDR games yet, haven't noticed anything weird with visuals yet anyway.
It's very possible. Try turning off HDR in the video settings and see if it looks better to you.
Pretty sure he mentioned it on Twitter before he (sensibly) locked his tweets, he likes it.
Edit: The locking of tweets and liking the effect aren't related, it was to explain why I can't quote a tweet here, not imply any correlation.
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I was just noticing this. The main issue with my 6 Series is the "Local Contrast" setting which I definitely want off for SDR content. If the TV is always in HDR mode, SDR content will have all its brightness areas constantly adjusting which looks terrible. I can have this switched off for non-HDR and on for HDR on the same input. But if the PS5 is always in HDR mode it's going to always be on.
So the solution is to disable HDR in the control panel for SDR content?
Man that sucks. Is there any chance Sony will implement an option to have it work the way it was done on the PS4?
It's also an additional pain in the ass because now I need to look up if a game supports HDR or not before running it. Is there a good list of PS4 games that support HDR? Do all PS5 native games support HDR?
So the solution is to disable HDR in the control panel for SDR content?
Man that sucks. Is there any chance Sony will implement an option to have it work the way it was done on the PS4?
It's also an additional pain in the ass because now I need to look up if a game supports HDR or not before running it. Is there a good list of PS4 games that support HDR? Do all PS5 native games support HDR?
I think he liked the dashboard in HDR and that it doesn't have to switch anymore when starting an HDR game, which I can understand, but he for sure doesn't like that this filter or container turns SDR games into washed out gray garbage (and not even adding HDR!), at least it's hard to believe, cause my trust in DF would be gone then, like colors of SDR games with this container.
You on an OLED? I played that game at launch on a PS4, so it displayed in SDR, but it actually strained my eyes even like that. I remember taking my TV's contrast setting down a few points.
Thank you for posting this.
The test matches my experience that UI luminance is not in any way overblown. Same for in game SDR.