Agreed, 100%. I reserve hate for most of FF 13's cast. Unfortunately they were very memorable for all the wrong reasons.I feel like Vaan is such a nothing character that HATE is almost too strong. He and Penelo are more deserving of being completely forgotten about.
If they're really leaning more towards FF1, then I'd honestly they'd go for more custom chars. Not only because Nioh 2's creator was so good, but because I think it would be all the more fitting if the Warrior(s) of Light we play dont talk much in the first place.One thing i'm curious about is whether it'll have a preset character. It can kinda be up in the air with Souls-like games. Nioh had a preset character while Nioh 2 let you create your character. And with FF being a story heavy series it makes me wonder if they'll have a set hero/heroine or one that we can create?
would be down cause FFII has the most batshit villain ever
you kill him and his good side goes to heaven and his bad side goes to hell
his evil side overthrows satan and you go to hell to fight him again
his good side, is still evil for some reason and he overthrows god and you have to fight him there too
never seen something entertainingly dumb
Its honestly the worst game in the series
Final Fantasy 13-2 is a fantastic game and you should all play it if you haven't already.
This post is funny considering the previous page is literally about just letting people enjoy what they like without unnecessary negative takes or discourse that don't add anything. I love(tm) FF fans.
I want them go full Dungeons and Dragons: Final Fantasy, given the inspirationI want to see Square do a remake of FFI on the level and care of FFVIIR.
I want them go full Dungeons and Dragons: Final Fantasy, given the inspiration
If you think about it, FFVIIR is a remake of FFI with Sephiroth copying Chaos' timeloop.I want to see Square do a remake of FFI on the level and care of FFVIIR.
If you think about it, FFVIIR is a remake of FFI with Sephiroth copying Chaos' timeloop.
To me, saying "X game is the worst Final Fantasy" means basically nothing, because every single numbered Final Fantasy game is great. There is no such thing as a "bad mainline Final Fantasy game", only varying degrees of great. Even the "worst" numbered Final Fantasy game is still a great game that deserves to be played by fans of the genre.
I-If you think about it, FFVIIR is a remake of FFI with Sephiroth copying Chaos' timeloop.
To me, saying "X game is the worst Final Fantasy" means basically nothing, because every single numbered Final Fantasy game is great. There is no such thing as a "bad mainline Final Fantasy game", only varying degrees of great. Even the "worst" numbered Final Fantasy game is still a great game that deserves to be played by fans of the genre.
This post is funny considering the previous page is literally about just letting people enjoy what they like without unnecessary negative takes or discourse that don't add anything. I love(tm) FF fans.
This is where I settled after I started playing FFII and found it wasn't the abject disaster that years of topping "Worst Final Fantasy" lists suggests.
like damn, if ff2 is the worst game in the series, then we final fantasy fans live a charmed life indeed.
FFXV is on another level of bad to the point of being incomprehensible. FFVIIR might not have the best writing but it feels more polished and not like half of the cutscenes are missing or cut short for some reason.People will shit on XV's storytelling and then literally turn around and praise the storytelling in VII Remake lmao, it's wild. Both are really bad at it tbh
Nah, people should just learn how to not be jerks and mask it as people not being able to accept '''''''criticism'''''' when none of said criticism is thoughtful or engaging. Replying to someone specifically appreciating the game by just saying it's the worst is like...stupid and unnecessary. It doesn't add anything aside to just be a jerk. Like a lot of ya'll just like to relentlessly and repeatedly shit on things (whether it's constantly calling creatives at SE talentless and hacks or something else) then get mad when others call it out. It happens in literally every FF thread that manages to go beyond 5-10 pages. I'm sure I'll get a reply that tries to justify this shit but I don't care, I'm tired. FF threads suck on here.Neither one of these precludes the other and the idea they do is rather childish, honestly.
To me, saying "X game is the worst Final Fantasy" means basically nothing, because every single numbered Final Fantasy game is great. There is no such thing as a "bad mainline Final Fantasy game", only varying degrees of great. Even the "worst" numbered Final Fantasy game is still a great game that deserves to be played by fans of the genre.
Nah, people should just learn how to not be jerks and mask it as people not being able to accept '''''''criticism'''''' when none of said criticism is thoughtful or engaging. Replying to someone specifically appreciating the game by just saying it's the worst is like...stupid and unnecessary. It doesn't add anything aside to just be a jerk. Like a lot of ya'll just like to relentlessly and repeatedly shit on things (whether it's constantly calling creatives at SE talentless and hacks or something else) then get mad when others call it out. It happens in literally every FF thread that manages to go beyond 5-10 pages. I'm sure I'll get a reply that tries to justify this shit but I don't care, I'm tired. FF threads suck on here.
Dude, you, unprompted, called a creative — one that doesn't even work on the franchise anymore, mind — a "genuine hack". That's not criticism, that's not a "sober, dissenting opinion". That's just being a dick.I can't speak for others (and obviously there's examples of what you're talking about on this very page), but I think I've been pretty reasonable in my own criticism and I don't think that should ever be stifled in anyone. If you were making one of your critiques about representation in terms of race and gender in the newer games and someone just wrote you off as as being "negative" or a jerk or a hater or w/e, you wouldn't like that, it wouldn't be fair and you know you'd say so. I'm not arguing in favor of a hostile discussion, I'm saying people should be free and seicome to present sober, dissenting opinions within reasonable bounds of discussion. And if anyone finds that repetitive or obnoxious or anything else, they should just bow out, instead of whining or trying to silence the dissenters.
Opera Omnia has pretty fun writing. Though I have no idea what they're doing with Locke in the recent things. Seemed wildly out of character.I do find it funny that the issues I had with the Type 0 cast got addressed in Opera Omnia of all places.....Machina got redeemed in my eyes fucking Machina! And I fucking hated him immensely.
Dude, you, unprompted, called a creative — one that doesn't even work on the franchise anymore, mind — a "genuine hack". That's not criticism, that's not a "sober, dissenting opinion". That's just being a dick.
They should be, they are, but that's not what happens in FF threads. It's more "waaahh this, waahh that", and it's just really boring. Like sure, every once in a while let's all dump on XV, but every FF thread? It is repetitive, it is obnoxious and worse, it adds literally nothing because we all know the criticism of each game like the back of our hands anyway.I can't speak for others (and obviously there's examples of what you're talking about on this very page), but I think I've been pretty reasonable in my own criticism and I don't think that should ever be stifled in anyone. If you were making one of your critiques about representation in terms of race and gender in the newer games and someone just wrote you off as as being "negative" or a jerk or a hater or w/e, you wouldn't like that, it wouldn't be fair and you know you'd say so. I'm not arguing in favor of a hostile discussion, I'm saying people should be free and seicome to present sober, dissenting opinions within reasonable bounds of discussion. And if anyone finds that repetitive or obnoxious or anything else, they should just bow out, instead of whining or trying to silence the dissenters.
They should be, they are, but that's not what happens in FF threads. It's more "waaahh this, waahh that", and it's just really boring. Like sure, every once in a while let's all dump on XV, but every FF thread? It is repetitive, it is obnoxious and worse, it adds literally nothing because we all know the criticism of each game like the back of our hands anyway.
I think it's at its best when you have Freya and Tidus butting heads with the Type 0 cast cuz they're chill about forgetting the dead and Vivi being the best IX character gently offering his opinion about how he deals with his own mortality. Was also really sweet how supportive everyone was to the Type 0 cast when they found out how fucked the rules were for their world.Opera Omnia has pretty fun writing. Though I have no idea what they're doing with Locke in the recent things. Seemed wildly out of character.
Its the only mainline numbered I couldn't motor through. Finished them all, disliked some (9 /15) loathe this one and I would definitely recommend fans of the genre against picking it up.This is also how I feel. It's why talk around FF13 is so funny. For so long people acted as if it was this unplayable disaster when the truth is... the game is pretty good.
If it is a Souls like FFI has the timeywimey bullshit and FFII has the desolate AF world state. Would be fun but they're all fired if it is based on II and don't include Minwu outfit. I did enjoy Minwu being so competent he had to die and Hilda forever unimpressed with Firion and forever drunk on 🍷 she's such a mood.
This is also how I feel. It's why talk around FF13 is so funny. For so long people acted as if it was this unplayable disaster when the truth is... the game is pretty good.
Yea he was apparently designed after a Iranian programmer who basically bailed out the development for FF1 or something and they wanted to make a sagacious/wizened Court White Wizard character based on him. Always thought Minwu was a badass. He is singlehandedly responsible for me going DEX/MND or DEX/Faith when I can build characters that way.Wait I almost made a post earlier about Minwu saying people don't talk about him enough lol. The elusive male white mage, shattering white mage stereotypes ahead of his time! What a legend.
I do find it funny that the issues I had with the Type 0 cast got addressed in Opera Omnia of all places.....Machina got redeemed in my eyes fucking Machina! And I fucking hated him immensely. Shame Tabata probably had zero input on that unless it was unofficially done as I believe pre-production for OO season 2 story was after he had left but I only recently plowed through the story just to see it through so I'm not sure when what was added.
He should do it at least for:Final Fantasy 13-2 is a fantastic game and you should all play it if you haven't already.
Yea it's a shame you have to really delve a bit to get to this quality of writing and interactions with characters. I do give props for the Dissidia NT team for having the time to implement scenes where Shantoto and Ultimecia throw shade at each other while Tidus and Firion and Kefka and ExDeath are all just standing there nervously sweating.Opera Omnia unironically made me enjoy Squall a heck of a lot more than his actual game ever did (I don't hate FFVIII by any stretch mind you, but I have always preferred VI and X). His inner monologue in this game is hilarious.
I stopped playing after like 3 hours because leveling system was trash, but man that sounds crazy lmao.would be down cause FFII has the most batshit villain ever
you kill him and his good side goes to heaven and his bad side goes to hell
his evil side overthrows satan and you go to hell to fight him again
his good side, is still evil for some reason and he overthrows god and you have to fight him there too
never seen something entertainingly dumb
Yea he was apparently designed after a Iranian programmer who basically bailed out the development for FF1 or something and they wanted to make a sagacious/wizened Court White Wizard character based on him. Always thought Minwu was a badass. He is singlehandedly responsible for me going DEX/MND or DEX/Faith when I can build characters that way.
Was the setting leaked yet?
I hope is futuristic. Always loved the futuristic settings more than the Medieval ones.
We don't need AAA for their JRPGs. The Atelier games do more than well enough with a much more limited budget. If they paid Capcom 5 million to have REVII be VR exclusive on PS4 you can safely assume that exclusive and full Final Fantasy games will be twice that.
I'm a bit suprised that haven't leaked yet.