The context of the post you replied to made your answer seem odd to me. I thought you meant something other than the proprietary vs. off-the-shelf difference. Sorry for my confusion!
I really hope this ends up being true because Sony wasn't 100% clear on it.
Looking back at the Cerny talk, you're right that Cerny didn't say anything about PS5 games on external cold storage. I'm going to stop telling people this is an option until it's explicitly confirmed. 😬
I hope they confirm it either this month or next month.
I suppose MS didn't confirm this until Sep 24 (or maybe earlier, I don't keep up with their PR) so there's still hope Sony comes out with that info when we get our next info dump.
The way people have been talking I thought it was already explicitly confirmed. We're still waiting on a comment from Sony?
I believe so. People seem to have been saying that this has been confirmed for a while as i think many people believe it's a foregone conclusion that it is (and to be honest it should be). However offically i don't think it has been confirmed.
I've seen people say it for weeks and I've been saying it too and not once until now has anyone said "well akshually..." so I reasonably assumed it was true.
(no shade to Timu, I appreciate being corrected!)
Until someone at Sony directly says you can store PS5 games to external hard drives for cold storage I'll remain skeptical.
It's already confirmed for XSX, isn't it? I have to imagine they will try to match Microsoft feature-for-feature.
I assumed that about enhancement patches for first party games and, well...
Sony is surely aware that storage is tight so I'd hope they implement whatever they can to ease the problem. It's to everyone's benefit. If it's not in at launch it seems like something that could be patched into the OS. Just gonna keep my fingers crossed at this point.
Yeah it's confirmed for XSX, I even saw a pic of it saying what external storage XSX would support.
There is even data on how long it takes to transfer games from internal SSD to external SSD/HDD and vice versa.
I think the same will work for PS5 but I'm surprised Sony hasn't confirmed anything yet, that's crazy.
You have a source for that PS5 cold storage?
EDIT: never mind, guess you don't :|
Doubt it, focus on 4k assets should keep game files pretty big.
Next-gen may be smaller thanks to use SDD, but they are also using higher quality assets. So maybe they keep similar.
depends on the game. something like Destruction All-Stars which is only around 25GB? yeah. Even a decently sized open world type game like Spider-Man gets a small reduction in size despite a big jump in asset quality.
but a game like the next GTA, the next Elder Scrolls or those big ass Call of Duty games, it's still too early to tell but don't count on them getting very much smaller. What's in question is how much bigger they'll get with optimization versus game size & asset quality which is of course up to each developer to balance among other things.
We already have really good compression technology for most things and devs use it all the time. It just really can't be understated that since textures increase in size quadratically, the move to 4K textures as a standard has gotten us to the space we're roughly at. Unless devs start pushing 8k textures (doubtful imo), we should stay around where we're at for AAA filesizes for a fair while.
That being said, it does appear that we're going to get some file size reduction in the form of less need for data duplication since drive speeds are so fast now. I would say expect the same as last gen, and hopefully you'll be pleasantly surprised if they don't balloon like mad, haha.
Those 2 are not officially compatible with PS5. They are just SSD for PC that (theoretically) meet Sony's requirement in terms of speed, but we do not know what other requirement that Sony's have to be compatible with PS5. As such we do not even know whether these 2 SSD are PS5 compatible.
Most likely these SSD manufacturers ain't going to prioritize making SSD for PS5. They will prioritize PC, and then collaborate with Sony to make them work on PS5. IMO you are unlikely to get any list until there are several more NVMe gen 4 SSD on PC.
Consoles shipping with low/insufficient storage probably won't convince physical only people to convert.
Cerny explicitly said during his tech breakdown stream this spring that a compatibility list wouldn't be available until sometime after launch. A couple SSD lines that are potentially fast enough are just now coming to market, and Sony needs time to test/certify them.
I think as PS5 cold storage, external HDD support has to be a must. Especially since expansion SSD support is very minimal right now.
An SSD needs to be fast enough, and fit in the slot.
I'd imagine part of that requires some stress testing. Testing to ensure the SSD doesn't just reach the required speeds, but also ensure that it's sustainable.
An SSD needs to be fast enough, and fit in the slot.
I'd imagine part of that requires some stress testing. Testing to ensure the SSD doesn't just reach the required speeds, but also ensure that it's sustainable.
Well, I wouldn't get my hopes up. Black Ops Cold War is 100 GB according to the store.
Wow seriously? Come on... Why so big?
For real what is it with Call of Duty and having massive install sizes all of a sudden...
100GB? Holy shit if that is before the inveitable 10+GB Day 1 patch. While first parties seem to be keeping their files sizes down, Acitivision never got the memo.
It wouldn't matter regardless. Physical games install entirely to the HDD and don't run directly from the discs. After the initial install the disc at that point is a verification check of ownership. This is also how it worked on the PS4 as well (Also on the XBO and XBSX)
And before someone asks "Is it a confirmed PS5 games don't run off the disc" A Bluray drive read speeds is even slower than a HDD, and these games were designed for the fast I/O of the PS5's SSD, so the only possible way to take advantage of this is if the games install fully to the SSD itself.
While absolutely true as all games require install, something that has changed between these generations also is Data Caps. Having data caps resrticts you wanting to get rid of big installs of digital copies of games just to free up space. Also having physical media to quickly swap in a game to install from disc while also downloading the patch could be a great alterative to buying an expansion drive or likely even more so when expansion drives fill up in a couple of years.
No, nothing like that. You'll be able to install or delete parts of games, though (like multiplayer).
I dont think Sony has a process like that. I believe MS did that for the Xbox one x console but it might be "standard" on next gen. (Everyone downloads the same game file)
I think MS will still implement something like this for Smart Delivery on Xbox Series S though since the game detects hardware and just downloads the right system files. Sony on the other hand have 1 console spec'd line of consoles. Both SKUs should download the same file.
I never brought up digital downloads at all. So physical installs don't really have any relevance in regards to ISP data caps in the first place, the only exception is Day One patches and updates.
Also keep in mind for the PS4, the physical installed version of a game and a digital download version could not exist on the console at the same time. You cannot substitute one for the other. Install a game from the disc, if you buy a digital version later on. You required to redownload the game all over again.
I own physical copy of Ghost of Tsushima and I recently repurchased it to have a digital version from the current Generation Sale and tried to load the game up and it asks me to put in the Disc. Meaning you need to delete your current install and then re-download the entire game all over again for a Digital copy.
Both the data for the Physical and Digital versions of the game should be interchangeable and the only difference in this case is the verification of ownership. This is how it works for games on my Xbox One X at least.
I'd hope Sony corrects this issue with PS5 games. It's clear they can't do this with PS4 titles in regards to BC, but purchasing either a physical or digital version of the game the data should be the same and only upon initially loading does it check if you own the physical disc (it being in the drive) or a digital key. I don't know why they did it the way they did on the PS4.
Also keep in mind for the PS4, the physical installed version of a game and a digital download version could not exist on the console at the same time. You cannot substitute one for the other. Install a game from the disc, if you buy a digital version later on. You required to redownload the game all over again.
I own physical copy of Ghost of Tsushima and I recently repurchased it to have a digital version from the current Generation Sale and tried to load the game up and it asks me to put in the Disc. Meaning you need to delete your current install and then re-download the entire game all over again for a Digital copy.
Both the data for the Physical and Digital versions of the game should be interchangeable and the only difference in this case is the verification of ownership. This is how it works for games on my Xbox One X at least.
I'd hope Sony corrects this issue with PS5 games. It's clear they can't do this with PS4 titles in regards to BC, but purchasing either a physical or digital version of the game the data should be the same and only upon initially loading does it check if you own the physical disc (it being in the drive) or a digital key. I don't know why they did it the way they did on the PS4.
I mean - you responded to a quote saying that low storage space will mean physical owners won't be likely to convert over. You said it wouldn't matter because all games require install. I replied saying that while i agree all games need to be installed regardless of being on physical media, data caps are likely another reason people might be keeping physical media going and slow the adoption of a digital machine. I also said that having a physical disc installing while simulatanously downloading any patches might become a better way to manage limited disc space then either fully downloading the game or feeling restricted due to data caps.
Where is the confusion?
The subject in question entirely on the basis of usable storage.
A physical PS5 game that takes up 70GB to install is no different then the same digital version also taking up 70GB to install. Digital or Physical doesn't matter which is entirely my point.
The context already exists in the post I quoted
Which is why I brought up the point that physical or digital doesn't matter. You aren't saving any sort of storage space being a physical only user because Physical games also take up the same amount of space.
My entire point had nothing to do with downloads but entirely to do with actual space used on the SSD.
It's not ideal of course but PS5 is just going to be for the exclusives so I'll be ok with that amount.
Jim Ryan: 99% of PS4 games will be backwards compatible with PS5
Probably something they should have mentioned in the showcase, but here we go... https://www.washingtonpost.com/video-games/2020/09/16/ps5-retail-units/
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We all wanted a sub 500 console generation and we have got it but maybe 599 is worth it if 2tb is included . Bad news for both systems tbh as I'm getting them both