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Raytraced SotTR runs at ~30-50 FPS/1080p on $1200 nvidia RTX 2080 Ti [Up: BF5 doesn't hit 1080/60]
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Having anything that's actually frames per second and not seconds per frame is actually quite an achievement when it comes to raytracing.
People often claim to want great leaps in technology rather than incremental advances.
But if you present the largest leap in a decade they are taken aback by what that actually means (in terms of pricing, performance and development).
This is true.
Personally, I blame the tail end of the PS360 generation for this change. At that point, consoles were so comparatively weak that you could "max out" everything even on an average PC. If you enjoy technological progress that is not a good thing, but it shaped expectations.
That is a pretty big strawman which you just build. Could you not post bullshit like this in the future?
According to OP, 2080ti is not even reaching 1080@60FPS, so please don't misinterpret the situation.
Assuming they're not interested in real-time ray tracing, which doesn't seem to be true: https://wccftech.com/amds-open-source-vulkan-ray-tracing-engine-debuting-in-games-this-year/
Making more chip variants beyond the traditional low/middle/high-end market segmentation is not economical.
and the 1080 was only $549.............Ethomaz must live in a country in Europe because the 10 series cards were INSANELY cheaper, half the cost.
If they released these with NON ray tech, they probably would be the same.
But that jump is too much for something not clearly ready for consumer use.
I'm not even sure there's a point in the RTX 1070 having ray tracing, nevermind a xx60 version.
Nvidia should of released the 2070 as a GTX and removed the added cost of the RTX, lets be honest if the £1000 card struggles at 1080p what is the actual point of the Ray Tracing capabilities of the 2070?
They could of released 2070 and even 2080 as cheaper GTX cards
They could of released 2070 and even 2080 as cheaper GTX cards
I'm hoping that the game is just early in the development process and not yet optimized for the new tech. We don't even know how long they had to work with it.
If this becomes a patten, then I agree with others that I wouldn't spend $1200 on a card to get sub 60fps af 1080p. Time will tell I suppose.
If this becomes a patten, then I agree with others that I wouldn't spend $1200 on a card to get sub 60fps af 1080p. Time will tell I suppose.
The GTX 1080ti was about $900, the "Launch" price of the RTX 2080ti is $999 and goes for the $1200 price. Titan V is $3000. The RTX 2080TI foundry is priced against Titan XP.
Gtx 1070 launch price was $450 founder, $379 non founders.
Gtx 2070 price is $599 founders, $499 non founders.
Gtx 1080 launch price was $699 founders, $599 non founders.
Gtx 2080 price is $799 founders, $699 non founders.
Gtx 1080 ti price was $699.
Gtx 2080 ti price is $999-$1200.
It's a price increase at every bracket. A shame to pay this much and not get as much performance increase as we could due to RT cores that aren't going to be all that usable if this performance is true.
I miss the days of PC games pushing new tech year by year. You were almost excited that games ran like crap maxed out because it meant things were moving forward. This is bringing some of that excitement back for me.
Nowadays a lot of the discussion about PC games is just "does it hold these numbers I know? 1080/1440/2160p at 60/120/144hz? No? Lol." No matter what tech is actually implemented.
What is with arbitrary resolution/frame rate expectations?
We finally have real-time raytracing giving is realistic shadow blending, true off-screen reflections, and accurate shadow casting. All this and at HD resolutions, it has a frame rate >= 30 FPS. That's huge. It's even bigger of a deal if you work in animation.
Does no one realize how cheap the 10 series cards were?
The ONLY reason you saw $900 was because of bitcoin miners.....they did not launch at $900
THANK YOU
Raytracing is when a frame of video is drawn by tracing the actual paths of photons through the scene. It allows for theoretically perfect lighting, shadows, and reflections, all of which have been huge performance drains in the past. Without raytracing, all three of those features are greatly simplified. A lot of work has been put into making simplified lighting look good, so the most graphical improvements you'll see are in shadows and reflections.
GTX 1080ti was launched a year after the original arch.
You need to compared this one with TITAN X.
GTX 1080 FE $699
GTX 1070 FE $429
GTX TITAN X $1200
I was comparing with FE prices that are know but I did mistook it :(
I mean put it into context yourself. It's an unreleased game, that won't support raytracing at launch, on unreleased hardware, on unreleased drivers... We don't even know what API is being used here, it could be an out of date DXR or Vulkan. Yes you won't get 4K @60fps on a single RTX 2080ti, but raytracing is hard.
So much ignorance and lack of knowledge in this thread it's really epic facepalm worthy.
Ray tracing is incredibly expensive, without the cores it would tank heavily really heavily that it would be unplayable.
Nothing is "free".
Like HDR some games will look amazing, some games will look wrong. Like monster hunter world.
Technology is only as good as the developer that is using it.
Ray tracing is incredibly expensive, without the cores it would tank heavily really heavily that it would be unplayable.
Nothing is "free".
Like HDR some games will look amazing, some games will look wrong. Like monster hunter world.
Technology is only as good as the developer that is using it.
The push to create ray traced visuals predates nvidia.
Case in point: Toy Story
Ray tracing isn't a gimmick. It will be the standard for graphical design in all applications once the hardware is there for each application that is more demanding than another.
Nvidia is pushing tech for gaming too soon while they still have a huge advantage over anyone else.
No I just mistook the GTX 1070 launch prices... it was $429... GTX 1080 was $699... TITAN X that was the actual TI was $1200.
1080TI was a year late replacement.
Not the raytracing part in Tomb Raider though, that's coming later through a patch, so obviously is still very much work in progress.
Where do you live, I do not recall that pricing lol.
Lol, what? I don't think anyone think of Titans as a TI..
You are right I misplaced GTX 1070 price.
Said that I fixed your post.
TITAN X was launched together with GTX 1080/1070... GTX 1080TI was a year late replacement.
until they announce the Titan 6 months from now......I think they announce titans in december to spring basically?
God RTX was not needed this soon
You are correct on the 2080Ti basically being the Titan equivalent launch since the 1080Ti was a revisiion.
But still a price increase across the board.....sadly
Seattle. My friend bought it on amazon for $938 actually. The RTX 2080ti is a branding change IMO. This is basically the Titan T
The price is also about the GDDR6 here as well. I mean you can get 2 GTX 1080s for about the same price as a RTX 2080ti, so do that if you are just looking for performance.
If you can't be bothered to check wikipedia, then maybe Peter Shirley's Ray-Tracing books, which are now available gratis.
So, buying a 2070 for ray tracing makes no sense, then. If a 2080ti barely hits 50fps, a 2070 will struggle to hit 30.
So, in order to get a stable 30fps with the RTX 2070 you're probably looking at 720p?
It's cool tech, but it obviously still has a long way to go before it's worthwhile performance-wise.
It's cool tech, but it obviously still has a long way to go before it's worthwhile performance-wise.
It's $1200 for sub 60fps, and at 1080p to boot. I don't know about the rest, but on my PC I expect anywhere from 90-144 fps. And I sure as hell didn't pay $1200 for just the card.
Yeah, it might look prettier but in the end it's sub 60 fps for a $1200 video card. When ray tracing is truly free. When it has little to no impact on performance, that's when it'l be worth it.
TITAN was launched in August 2016... GTX 1080 in June or July 2016.
1080TI Mar 2017.
What you are saying is the typical nVidia launch:
GTX 1070 -> RXT 2070
GTX 1080 -> RTX 2080
TITAN X (the 1000 version) -> RTX 2080TI
Next year you will probably have:
GTX 1080TI -> TITAN X (the 2000 version)
I would be very surprised if RTX couldn't use gsync while ray tracing. The variable performance should be made up for with variable refresh.
If this ends up not being the case this will be a big mistake on Nvidia's part.
How is it "conservative" to be sceptical towards a $1200 GPU, for which there are no actually existing, impressive games? Right now, the only real (= playable) product they have shown us is Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and it runs and looks like ass. Sure, they have shown us some impressive tech demos. But who knows when those products will be out, and if they will look anything like this.
Also, GPU prices are currently extremely high. When was there a time, where people routinely payed $1200 for a GPU, even if you take inflation into account? And you call that "conservative"? That's absurd.
In one month after release you couldn't find any 1080ti under 1000 euro. And that lasted until some months ago. So talking about how cheap are on paper helps nobody. It's like talking about how a 2080ti costs $999 but nobody can buy one at that price.
I wonder what the performance hit will be at 4K?
I'm excited about this tech, just not excited enough to spend $1200 on it. The 2070 and 2080 do RTX as well, and I wonder how they will perform.
I thought this too for some reason.
I was hoping for good RTX performance in this batch of cards since I plan on upgrading next year. If it's this low for RTX in a $1200 card, we probably won't have cards that can do RTX enabled 4K 60 FPS games by next year. :-(
I'm excited about this tech, just not excited enough to spend $1200 on it. The 2070 and 2080 do RTX as well, and I wonder how they will perform.
I thought this too for some reason.
I was hoping for good RTX performance in this batch of cards since I plan on upgrading next year. If it's this low for RTX in a $1200 card, we probably won't have cards that can do RTX enabled 4K 60 FPS games by next year. :-(
Look if you are interested in 4K and raytracing, you'll have to wait a couple years for 7nm GPUs, then it could be possible. This is early adopter tech and it does look promising for me. I'm a hobbyist developer and I will be able to implement raytracing into my games and test it out, that is worth the upgrade for myself.
For non-gaming applications, RTX is pretty awesome. The Quadro RTX is probably great for professionals.
But for gaming, it's still early days. But really cool that it's even doable on a single card.
I wonder if the RT-cores and the Tensor cores are useable outside of ray-tracing. I suppose they could still provide some great benefits like AI upscaling.
But for gaming, it's still early days. But really cool that it's even doable on a single card.
I wonder if the RT-cores and the Tensor cores are useable outside of ray-tracing. I suppose they could still provide some great benefits like AI upscaling.
The point he is making is that Nvidia was selling them cheaply.. Can't really blame them and the manufacturers for the surge in prices due to demand of another industry (crypto mining). Sure, it was difficult to buy a cheap one after that, but it still released at a low price.
At this rate we're not likely to have 4k 60 fps ray tracing for a lot of years. Unless there's a shortcut...
This is supposedly the shortcut lol. I am betting 5 years :D.
Why 5 years? Because he said at the pace we were going would make it 10 years and this shortcut started it sooner, so cutting in half makes sense to me... MATH!
PhysX went basically the same way at launch: 250€ add-on card and worse overall performance.
RTX is a way bigger leap forward. I'm just glad that they decided to incorporate the RT cores in a consumer product.
This does not mean I can or I want to afford these features until the price/performance goes really mainstream (xx60 with at least 4k@30 or better). But it's a start.
RTX is a way bigger leap forward. I'm just glad that they decided to incorporate the RT cores in a consumer product.
This does not mean I can or I want to afford these features until the price/performance goes really mainstream (xx60 with at least 4k@30 or better). But it's a start.
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