Not really, I'm surprised they haven't done it already. You can't get the staff these days...
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Anyone know anything at all about this MOBA Network company, its history, its personnel, its culture, etc.? All I can find online is that it is small (under 50 employees?) and the CEO is Björn Mannerqvist whose old Twitter profile says he's a "big time hobby chef and sports lover"
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Are you seriously comparing volunteer mod work to Uyghur oppression?
Well from my perspective. Reddit knows exactly how many page views each subreddit gets.
They could have implemented some measure of revenue sharing.
Of course it would have changed the dynamics of subreddits but at the same time reddit has been home for plenty of horrible groups anyway.
Oh boy. Congrats Cerium but hopefully you can share some of that payout with the mods. The moment they start hassling me about paying up for a subscription, I'm out.
Alright that dude is banned don't give him anymore attention.
I respect the hustle but damn this sucks lol. Hopefully things ride out fine, I'll stick to my usual lurking since I don't have much to say on a lot of topics but being told things will stay the same is a nice pleasantry at least. I don't doubt it, I just gotta see it.
I respect the hustle but damn this sucks lol. Hopefully things ride out fine, I'll stick to my usual lurking since I don't have much to say on a lot of topics but being told things will stay the same is a nice pleasantry at least. I don't doubt it, I just gotta see it.
This was almost always going to be the endgame.
I guess congrats to Cerium for the payday.
Hopefully our new overlords are just and merciful.
I guess congrats to Cerium for the payday.
Hopefully our new overlords are just and merciful.
volvo pls
my uncle is dying, he needs diretide
(also quite frankly I think some of the examples people give of communities "fleeing the site" due to "moderator missteps" would be received quite a bit differently if posters actually learned the history of these incidents from all involved parties rather than just seeing like five surviving members of that community shouting MY COUNTRY, <RESETERA_COMMUNITY_THREAD_NAME>, YEARNS FOR FREEDOM. not all of them, but like, some of these situations are way less black-and-white than some members would have you believe)
Even what you are saying here would disincentive good community moderation. Poster makes a subreddit for womens issues, bans all sexist chuds, sub starts to become popular, and more men start posting in that subreddit with terrible takes. Than the original mod starts getting payed revenue sharing based on how many people visit the subreddit she moderates. Page views massively go up as shitty men start arguing with the women the subreddit was originally created for. She could keep banning sexists, but her share of revenue would directly go down.
Agree. Personally speaking, I doubt I've ever created any issues for the mod team. Maybe some mild inconvenience in the odd report. I know how demoralising it can be to sit there keeping thankless hordes at bay at a major board, even on a professional basis. Forum moderation is just a horrible task to be saddled with.
By the same token, it's important for me to express that moderators need to respect themselves. You have an absentee turning around after many promises and assurances to take $4.5m in cash for personal profit and hit the road, while you sit here inevitably exposing yourselves to mental health issues for free. People are never going to change. If you can reconcile that scenario in your heads, okay, but I'd make sure to re-evaluate what I was doing and what my expectations are if I were you.
It's logical to think moderators should be paid.. it's.. "work", to maintain something making someone else money.
Thing is.. people want to volunteer.. the bigger the forum, the more volunteers you need.. but.. then the "modship" is seen as even more desirable.
And the catch 22 being.. none of this is enough money to really make paying moderators worth it for a business. If it's generating $500k in income a year but takes 40 mods to operate it.. how much do you have to pay them then? As soon as you start paying that many people, you have other costs to incur too.. you are suddenly a medium sized business.
Pragmatically, these sites can make someone a bunch of money.. but can't operate as a normal business. It is what it is.
Thing is.. people want to volunteer.. the bigger the forum, the more volunteers you need.. but.. then the "modship" is seen as even more desirable.
And the catch 22 being.. none of this is enough money to really make paying moderators worth it for a business. If it's generating $500k in income a year but takes 40 mods to operate it.. how much do you have to pay them then? As soon as you start paying that many people, you have other costs to incur too.. you are suddenly a medium sized business.
Pragmatically, these sites can make someone a bunch of money.. but can't operate as a normal business. It is what it is.
You can say that about any corporation that makes money. If it wasn't for the customers, the corporations wouldn't be taking it in and the CEO would have no big fat pay check.
This is why capitalism is a plague.
Like, the complete sociopath in me would be making a thread like, "I just bought a boat era and I am scared".
Heh. Kinda funny, huh? We've seen threads were the OP says something really embarrassing then runs away from the comment section. Cerium? He was barely here to begin with. Dropped a bomb of a OP. Disappeared with 4.5 million in thin air. People got tons of questions and concerns. Where is he? Nowhere to be seen.
Next Cerium's post gonna be like " Stop saying it's a yacht, it's a boat house!"
He also offered to put in 6 figures when the site was originally being talked about on discord in the gap in between forms. So he's probably like I knew this would go down hence why he wanted to buy in. He was turned down cause someone else had started already.
This is one thing I've never really understood. I help moderate a gaming forum. I literally have no desire to have any sort of celebrity status or "power." I do want to help the community as a whole, but I'm not going to equate being a moderator for a forum with having some sort of ineffable power.
There's already been a legendary thread that's just been locked in general, mods are on the prowl.
Y'all are kind of special in the context of the forum whether you like or not. I can't ignore you, for example. So even if you annoy me or aggravate me every time you post, I'm forced to see it unless I block the thread. It gives you a lot of power without even using your admin/mod privileges.
Of course it's all in the context of the forums, and I would obviously not compare this to celebrity status.
Note that I'm using a global "you" here not targeting you specifically.
Era (posters and moderation) have a really hard time with comparisons of kind relationships vs magnitude relationships. Like do they not cover similes, metaphors, and analogies in 4th grade anymore?
Ex: the way some moderators circle the wagon to defend other moderators from abuses of power is a 1:1 analogy to police unions in kind comparison, but not magnitude comparison obviously. But any figurative language that illustrates kind but is of a different magnitude will be actioned heavily. Or here, the comparison to free mods filling the rich owners' coffers to slave labor is a completely in-bounds kind comparison (this could be reworded into an Onion headline and no one would bat an eye), which in no way implies moderating a message board for free is as bad as slave labor.
Fun thing though, attacking the analogy from the magnitude angle, even when that's not the comparison being drawn, allows the actual comparison of kind to be ignored. This happens all over the site.
He was up late finalizing a lot of this. He, like many people I'm told, require sleep from time to time
So based on these numbers, it would take them 8 years to recoup their investment of 4.5 million at 560K profit if they just left things alone.
Yeah, they're going to make some changes I bet.
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maybe i should make a cooking era discord
but my OT is mostly dead
WHERE IS MY LONELY CHEF ASS SUPPOSED TO GO NOW 😞😭
but my OT is mostly dead
WHERE IS MY LONELY CHEF ASS SUPPOSED TO GO NOW 😞😭
I know people are assuring here that MOBA will let this forum do it's thing, but are we sure they don't wanna see bigger growth and are gonna meddle, by opening registration to all, change moderation rules etc?
Or if they don't do it what if they will sell the forum to somebody in a couple years who won't care about keeping this forum civil and safe, compared to most other forums or reddit threads etc., and they will just run it into the ground.
Or if they don't do it what if they will sell the forum to somebody in a couple years who won't care about keeping this forum civil and safe, compared to most other forums or reddit threads etc., and they will just run it into the ground.
I know how this goes. Can we just skip to the end where we realize I am right? Arguing online is taking a lot out of me lately and I'd just like to skip to the part where people begrudgingly accept defeat.
Or we all just go out on my boat until cerium takes us out on his bigger boat. Can catch crab. Everyone loves crab.
It would be an absolute logistical nightmare to do that. Especially considering how frequently the mod lineup changes.
And that's assuming a "static" user environment which we damned well know is simply not the case - it's a stagnant-to-declining environment.
Awesome.
Everyone we are going crabbing. Anyone else interested?
I got Corona (not the virus) too.
He was barely here, man. BARELY. I can think of many situations where drama hit the site and we needed a leader to step in. HE should've been the guy to lead since he ran the damn site. He has roughly the same post count of a person who LURKS. I'm not saying he needed to be here 24/7 but dammit. If you own the damn thing then at least be around on a consistent basis. You know what he seems like to me? A ghost who just became a millionaire. The boogeyman just got rich. I'm salty about the whole thing and it's not about the money.
Was thinking my only other post ITT was going to be my only one but I can't leave without a cliché 'don't say I didn't warn you' having seen the financial forecasts for this site people have posted after doing some basic arithmetic that anyone can see means things will have to change. This for profit company really bought a forum that hasn't had massive growth in the last 12 months just to make their investments back in time for when the PS6 Pro will be launching in 2029, if things do stay the same like we're being led to believe? Insert the biggest shocked Pikachu image in history when changes happen with this in mind.
Not ALL of the mods, just those that are in it for the long term, with maybe something to give temporary mods a small say in the direction of the site. Be it just direct communication with the greater co-op, or a percentage of a vote.
Call me in!Awesome.
Everyone we are going crabbing. Anyone else interested?
I got Corona (not the virus) too.
Might as well ask you too. But were there ever talks with Cerium about going back to the older system where multiple administrators owned a part of the shares alongside Cerium?
What I don't get is how we went from a system where there were multiple community members that owned a part of the site, to a single owner, and that single owner then sells the site with the reason it became too much being to sole owner.
It just feels like there are steps missing here, and a big one is if there were talks with the admins to see if they could buy in. For Cerium to take the burden of being the sole owner, and for the site to stay in the hands of the community. Right now it seems, Cerium bought out the other shareholders, work became too much, sold the place. But why weren't the present admins given the chance to buy in in that case?
Well I just said more "desirable"; what that person desires is subjective. It might be more fulfilling to help a large community for instance.
But yeah it's rather obvious some places it's a power/control thing.. I honestly don't pay that much attention here, I couldn't name 3 mods off the top of my head lol
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