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ResetEra Ownership Update
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Well then that's absolutely worth criticizing, especially when the subscription is framed as "giving back". No idea why you'd then have to go after the guys post count if he makes a valid point
Let's not go down this rabbit hole, k? If you think someone is an alt, report it and I'll look into it.
Or they lurk? Ever thought about that? Maybe the community can be a little toxic sometimes and you're an example of that at this moment?
Who knows. Maybe it's their alt and if so then man their opinion matters less!
The ??? part of this equation is key, because I feel like the way the distinct communities are now... it wouldn't be good.
Many of us suspected the site was making hundreds of thousands of dollars in profit, and even early in the site's inception, were saying that the site should operate as a non-profit by the community, for the community.
The site's monetization became even more alarming when Cerium bought out the other initial owners and consolidated all the control, rather than those shares being put forward to the community so that the site wasn't owned by a single person (for their lone interests).
That said, I don't see how this is relevant to my post you quoted. Era Clear was emphatically put forward as a paid service so that members could "proudly help keep the lights on." People were not fooling themselves so much as being fooled.
You are assuming they have to be paid 20 hours a week, basically do it as a 2nd job rather than a side job.
What others are saying is that they get paid, it does not have to be full time, it doesn't even have to be 20 hours a week...but just any amount of reasonable compensation. And compensation would bring in accountability, which in turn could potentially improve the moderating quality.
My post literally says part-time. And you have to be realistic with the fact that this forum is a legal company, an LLC. You can't just go handing out X amount of money as reasonable compensation. There are wage laws to follow and that's what I meant by administrative expenses. You'd have to hire people to handle the pay roles, hire people to handle legal issues, and make sure you are staying compliant.
They already have people on payrolls, the tech team gets paid as contractors. It's not like the logistic side of things does not exist at all.
And yes there are wage laws to follow, but you can pay the mods as contractors for X hours of work much in the same way the tech team does. They surely can pay them for 4-5 hours of work a week as contractors and will be within the wage laws to do that. It's not an impossible task or situation.
Absolutely, I know that. I only did the napkin math because another user came up with the number of 300k to pay for mods as it being too much (it was the vibe I got from their post), when it is less than half of what the site generated. The point is, 700k/year should and is enough to handle a forum like this, and most users had no idea that the forum was generating this amount of cash. You can call it ingenuity, naivety or something along those lines. It probably is, but it doesn't change the fact that the forum discourse was in a completely different direction - ads to support the forum, Era Clear…
Sole ownership of a money-making venture that requires 0 work on your part would be a lot of things... but a burden? Not even once.
Just admit you don't give a shit and wanted a quick buck on the back of the community. Why pretend otherwise? At least walk away honestly.
Just admit you don't give a shit and wanted a quick buck on the back of the community. Why pretend otherwise? At least walk away honestly.
Sweden has so many great treasures, it's impossible to fit all the greatness into a top 3! Alfred Nobel, the Ice Hotel, Swedish meatballs, even Spotify has its origins in Sweden. Sweden is lowkey the best country, and now Era is part of it! Yay to us!
Not everyone is an active speaker on here. I've learned that I have a tendency to put my foot and my mouth at times and risk my account if I don't choose my words carefully, so I tend to post less despite being online daily. I'm sure there are many others like me who have their reasons to not rack up a huge post count.
Sounds cool. I always had a worry this place would shut down entirely, so its cool to know the business will be stable at least for a bit. I'll keep other worries on user experience on the back burner until they need to be looked at.
What's with everyone here telling the staff that they don't know what they're talking about? As an ardent reader, but rare poster, I've always been very happy with how the staff handles the site, and I'll trust them going forward. If MOBA screws things up over time I'll be very sad, but it's not time to be laimi g that yet. The dust hasn't settled, hell it has barely been made.
Thanks staff and mods for all you do and especially for dealing with today. I hope the transition is smooth and fruitful.
Thanks staff and mods for all you do and especially for dealing with today. I hope the transition is smooth and fruitful.
This is completely fine and my post count shows much of the same mentality, but when someone has so very few posts and shows up out of the blue to join the mob mentality of yelling at admins/mods it kind of looks suspicious regardless of the intent. Regardless, an admin called me out for this behavior so I won't press it any further.
I kinda know what happened with SalesERA but what happened to XboxERA? Someone also said NintendoERA left. The fuck happened? I'm browsing this site multiple times a day and still didn't read about any of this until after the fact.I do think is extremely hilarious that they managed to sell a graveyard at such a premium price
What the hell. Talking about Sweden treasures and not mention Abba?!?Sweden has so many great treasures, it's impossible to fit all the greatness into a top 3! Alfred Nobel, the Ice Hotel, Swedish meatballs, even Spotify has its origins in Sweden. Sweden is lowkey the best country, and now Era is part of it! Yay to us!
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Ehhhhhh...members of XboxEra and NintendoEra left to make their own sites, but I mean...it's not like people don't talk about Nintendo anymore.
mostly just drama bt prominent users and mods. this place has always been a means to an end: big enough non idiotic video game discussion with a decent amount of traffic. i don't really think anyone is proud to post here or think that posting here means anything other than a penchant for strict moderation on certain things.
I can't imagine someone taking their post count so seriously and it being tied to the validity or "importance" of an opinion, but here we are.
Not sure where else I can post this. I just realized MOBA Network has an Overwatch dedicated site. With the whole thing with Blizzard and MOBA buying certain forums it seems. What happens if they merge with a site that share the same values as era. Do you not advertise them? They seem to be about connecting everything.
I can respect the hustle. Making everyone work for free, then fleecing a Swedish company and pocketing 4.5 mil. Not bad for four years, enjoy retirement.
Were they just pissed because ERA seems to be leaning more towards Sony or did something bad happen? I sometimes can't really tell which way the gaming side actually leans towards because each camp has their own very loud voices so depending on the topic it can feel like ERA's leaning towards either way.
When I think of Era, I think of a diverse melting pot of cultures, race, and ethnicity. When I think of Sweden I think of…..well you gif sums it up reallySweden has so many great treasures, it's impossible to fit all the greatness into a top 3! Alfred Nobel, the Ice Hotel, Swedish meatballs, even Spotify has its origins in Sweden. Sweden is lowkey the best country, and now Era is part of it! Yay to us!
How many mods has this place burned through in 4 years? I'm optimistic because I've seen the turnover, and that no matter who has left there's always someone who has been prepared to take on the mantle.
It's not a dig at Hecht personally. The vast majority of people are easily replaced in their jobs, no matter how good or valuable we are. Myself included.
Each of those communities were undermined and treated like crap in various ways on here.
As someone who mostly used the official Xbox thread, I will say it is better now, but outside of the official threads the same problems exist.
Concern trolling, certain behaviour not slapped down by the mods. Makes reading threads a chore.
People got sick of it and moved on. It really says something when you have to have warnings at the bottom of both the Xbox and Sony threads about meta posting. And this is a forum of grown ass people?!
Sad it had to come to this.
So many people hung up on the money.
I couldn't care less whether he got tree fiddy or 1 billion. I also don't care if it was a smart free money plan or he worked in the sweat of his brow 400 hours a month for four years straight.
The important (and the only important) thing is how much interference will there be from the new owners down the line. And that remains to be seen, whatever they're saying now.
I couldn't care less whether he got tree fiddy or 1 billion. I also don't care if it was a smart free money plan or he worked in the sweat of his brow 400 hours a month for four years straight.
The important (and the only important) thing is how much interference will there be from the new owners down the line. And that remains to be seen, whatever they're saying now.
What the hell. Talking about Sweden treasures and not mention Abba?!?
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Ooops! If I was as good at making avatars as you are, I would turn my avatar into an ABBA homage as part of my redemption arc. 😅
There was someone keeping track of this but damn I forgot
Still digesting all of this but the moderation here has always been a concern of mine, too many with an agenda, too dictatorial and plain unfriendly.
'Selling out' is also a bit of a slap in the face to the skeleton of a community we have here, god knows the direction it takes moving forward, that's a lot of money spent and investors will want that money made back.
'Selling out' is also a bit of a slap in the face to the skeleton of a community we have here, god knows the direction it takes moving forward, that's a lot of money spent and investors will want that money made back.
The ultimate test would be to start a thread in Off Topic about interest in a true community owned forum.
I'd love to learn what happened because as it is, xbox is doing fine here. I have my suspicions it had to do with pre-launch arguments xbox would be beating PS. (9TF vs 12TF or whatevrr) There were too many heated posts on that subject.
Edit: maybe best not to try and guess.
The questions and concerns early on were pretty reasonable IMO. Of course there's some folks going full tilt as they always do, but most seem pretty level and sincere.
But now...the mods/staff don't need a lecture of labor laws or being treated that they're ignorant of what goes on. It's one thing to wonder how involved Cerium was due to the lack of posts and with little to go on, but it's another thing to argue with the staff who confirm that Cerium has been a part of the discussions on how to manage the site and situations, or outright make accusations to the contrary.
But now...the mods/staff don't need a lecture of labor laws or being treated that they're ignorant of what goes on. It's one thing to wonder how involved Cerium was due to the lack of posts and with little to go on, but it's another thing to argue with the staff who confirm that Cerium has been a part of the discussions on how to manage the site and situations, or outright make accusations to the contrary.
Can't speak towards anything specific for XboxEra since I'm usually only in the GamePass thread, but NintendoEra had prominent active users from SalesEra to where many followed their lead between that situation and the usual community issues of users come in to troll within the guidelines enough to cause problems but not catch bans for it.
Agreed. Personally, it isn't the money per se. It is the simple fact that the site was more than profitable and could have been easily handed over to the community. Hell, why wasn't this even remotely discussed transparently with the community? This seems part and parcel of one of the largest complaints about Era over the years. No?
People are kidding themselves if they think this will not amount to drastic increases of monetization. Speaking of, remember the days when ads were not intrusive, when ads were reported as being offensive or specifically egregious. Good times.
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