For the accusations of sidestepping you sure do a lot of it yourself lmao. Are you really so dense you don't understand that ringing the bell of mods being paid rings hollow based on the communities past actions? Because you sure are sidestepping that behavior and are trying to frame it as some kind of valid and constructive criticism. Then trying to put on a holier than thou mantle of "all labor should be paid"
So when you're getting yelled at for not having a ps5 in stock that $10-15 an hour pay makes it all better? Makes you love coming in and doing that job everyday? That money just washes away the main problem you have with the job? Because that's basically what you're saying lol. I don't understand why you can't see the reason most mods don't wanna be paid is because then they're basically "forced" to interact even when their mental health isn't in the best spot. And once again, if the majority of mods agreed to not get paid why are we giving a shit in the first place? It's so goofy to try and force people to care on their behalf
So you're argument then is that mods should not get paid and that paid and trained modship would not benefit the site and community? Because in your previous post you said that labour should be paid. And the entire thing that started this conversation was the statement that you can be critical of something and still believe that things like pay and training would be beneficial to people you're being critical of.
And I'm sidestepping? What an I am sidestepping exactly? I've already said that we can acknowledge that people were being mean to mods and there can be no criticism that isn't just mean, which seems to be the core of your argument (or maybe, at this point it's not clear what you're even arguing).
As far as making it better, eh, who said anything about that? The whole point is that people should be paid for their work. To be honest, I don't really care if a lot of the mods didn't want to get paid or not. A lot of the people I work with hate unions, but I'm still pro-union because I know it's a net positive for labor. And you know what, most people I work with are kind of incompetent, like some of them are just terrible workers. That's me being critical of them. Yet I still think they should be paid better and have worker protections.
To be honest, I have no idea what you're even trying to argue here. Because in one post you say labour should be paid, and now in this one you're saying that paying mods here would not be benefiting. So why don't you clearly state what it is you're actually wanting to say, because to be frank, it really just feels like you're arguing just to argue especially when you're just straight making up weird comments that no one has made like getting paid more would help mental health which no one said anything like this (or at least me in this conversation). So what is it you're trying to say? Just say it plainly and simply: what is the core of your argument?