Some of you people are acting like you built a pyramid or something lolLol 4.5 million built on the backs of the community that created this place. Capitalism at work
Some of you people are acting like you built a pyramid or something lolLol 4.5 million built on the backs of the community that created this place. Capitalism at work
Why the FUCK would mods not want to get paid? Here's an idea: pay the mods appropriately except for the ones who want to be hairy potter house elves for some reason dumb reason.
Just stop. You obviously have no ideawhat it's like to live paycheck to paycheck or to go without to provide for you kids. Struggling is real hell many of resetera posters LIVE THAT. Too hear you claim 4.5 million and owning property/houses isn't really all that much is so damn insulting.You're right. I had a warped perspective of wealth, still partially do as shown here. 4.5 million is life changing money, especially in cash as is the situation here. And I apologize for trying to make it seem like it isn't. I'd like to hope Cerium broke off some for the team even if he's well within his rights to not.
do people not realize there's a huge disparity between a community volunteer role where you're under no strict pressure and make your own hours vs. a job with expectations, management, set hours, legal ramifications, etc
Roy already said it great but if I can add another perspective to it as well, when you get paid for something it can suck the fun out of it, it becomes an obligation, expectations may increase, you may have to sacrifice more personal info, a lot of people are cool with it being a hobby.Why the FUCK would mods not want to get paid? Here's an idea: pay the mods appropriately except for the ones who want to be hairy potter house elves for some reason dumb reason.
Not once did I say this lmao. Please read. Not once did I say they shouldn't be paid, but I have theorized on why they probably don't want to be. And said if they don't care I don't, cause it's weirdo shit to do otherwise.But then you also say you don't think they should be because they are volunteers. So, I mean, it is hard to have good reading comprehension when you are writing two different things. 'Of course I think labor should be paid, but also, I don't think it should be here.' Okay. I think for all your insults of how I can't read, you don't seem to realize how confused your messaging has been (or maybe you do, and that's part of the point).
Read this line carefully and you'll find the answers you seek.If they feel that way, that's how they feel. I'm saying that I still think the job should be a paid and trained regardless of that feeling, because I think it would benefit both them but also the site as a whole.
Question, are you a mod?Why would it really? Should I be anti-union because the opinion of everyone around me that I work with is anti-union? So because a lot of mods here allegedly think they shouldn't be paid, I shouldn't believe the position should be a paid one? What even is the argument here exactly?
Do you? Could you tell me why people do volunteer work then?Of course, I know the difference between volunteer work and a job lol
Well, have fun generating hundreds of thousands in profit for a faceless corporation. If that's cool with you, whatever. But the people who want to be paid for the hours they put in should have a seat at the damn table.It is the utmost practice of cynicism for cynicism's sake to believe that mods could/would only engage in the way that we do for money. A lot of us care about these communities. A lot of us agreed to steward these communities because we want to see them thrive. Because we believe in the grand experiment.
Many of us made the decisions we did without thinking about me. Because our everyday decisions don't revolve around money.
I know most of you guys are in the US and such, but outside there are different types of contracts.do people not realize there's a huge disparity between a community volunteer role where you're under no strict pressure and make your own hours vs. a job with expectations, management, set hours, legal ramifications, etc
Why the FUCK would mods not want to get paid? Here's an idea: pay the mods appropriately except for the ones who want to be hairy potter house elves for some reason dumb reason.
Well, have fun generating hundreds of thousands in profit for a faceless corporation. If that's cool with you, whatever. But the people who want to be paid for the hours they put in should have a seat at the damn table.
Why the FUCK would mods not want to get paid? Here's an idea: pay the mods appropriately except for the ones who want to be hairy potter house elves for some reason dumb reason.
Speaking for myself, I was able to be a part of something greater as a staff member. I had no interest in the money at all. My time as both a moderator and an admin helped me grow significantly as a person, relate my own struggles with disability and gender identity to others, and nourished friendships and relationships that have lasted to this day. While there was definitely conflict and struggle while I was on staff, I still have some incredible, life changing memories. The skills I obtained also carried over into my actual job, once I got into my field too. So in that sense, what I did at Era prepared me for life later on.
Being paid would have changed the dynamics of everything that happened significantly, and wouldn't have necessarily made anything easier or better for me.
I don't regret being a part of staff at all as a volunteer, and I have no reason to be concerned about the ownership update myself.
The most amusing thing about the "pay your mods" argument is how we're all pretending that the framing isn't going to change from "Mods deserve to be paid for their work" to "Mods are only doing what they do for money, they don't give a shit about the community" as soon as the next kerfuffle happens
here's the thing, what you're bringing up is that your country has a different type of contract. I believe there's mods from at least 10 different countries on Era. imagine the legal cost to figure out contracts specific to that many different countries. that alone is probably an expensive fucking lawyer and accountant and time consuming to say the least. that's not to say they couldn't afford it, but the logistics of paying an international staff is not easy. how much you pay your staff is really only half the expense (if that). like not even all money, it's just a huge pain to do and at that point you're probably just paying a few people from one country to work in shifts. and as a moderator you're on the other side of that signing international contracts so you can get paid $5 for deleting a post where someone called someone else a loser for their opinion on a game (which is probably me)I know most of you guys are in the US and such, but outside there are different types of contracts.
The work some mods do is above and beyond what you'd need on a "services provided" contract here in Colombia. They'd do the same thing but get paid for it.
I'm not saying things should change, just stating it's not that ridiculous.
who are you talking about, I think so far only one mod has said they'd want to get paid, and that's only from the new ownerWell, have fun generating hundreds of thousands in profit for a faceless corporation. If that's cool with you, whatever. But the people who want to be paid for the hours they put in should have a seat at the damn table.
You guys have a table? Is it round or is it a big rectangular one?
Why the FUCK would mods not want to get paid? Here's an idea: pay the mods appropriately except for the ones who want to be hairy potter house elves for some reason dumb reason.
How are you gonna fuckin tell someone they don't respect themselves like you know anything about them? Ignorant.
I mean the site could also be set up with a different structure and less aggressive monetization. There's nothing inherently wrong about volunteer modding. It's when you rely on unpaid mods on a highly profitable website where it starts to feel exploitative. If Era was only running enough ads to pay for the servers and technical staff and some overhead for rainy day funds, etc. it would be a totally different situation than one where the sole owner can fetch a a 4.5 million dollar payday.The most amusing thing about the "pay your mods" argument is how we're all pretending that the framing isn't going to change from "Mods deserve to be paid for their work" to "Mods are only doing what they do for money, they don't give a shit about the community" as soon as the next kerfuffle happens
The most amusing thing about the "pay your mods" argument is how we're all pretending that, if it were implemented, the framing isn't going to change from "Mods deserve to be paid for their work" to "Mods are only doing what they do for money, they don't give a shit about the community" the nanosecond the next kerfuffle happens
I mean, the mods have mostly clearly said they'd rather not be paid so I'll leave this here, but as someone who constantly works with international companies, that's barely an issue.I believe there's mods from at least 10 different countries on Era.
How are you gonna fuckin tell someone they don't respect themselves like you know anything about them? Ignorant.
uhuh, and I'm sure you'll know $700k a year for an international company with a roster of 20+ staff members would be completely unsustainableI mean, the mods have mostly clearly said they'd rather not be paid so I'll leave this here, but as someone who constantly works with international companies, that's barely an issue.
I mean, you don't need to pay for full-time work for mods.uhuh, and I'm sure you'll know $700k a year for an international company with a roster of 20+ staff members would be completely unsustainable
The fuck there isn't when you make stupid declarations like that. I'm even pro pay the mods, but, come on.
Not once did I say this lmao. Please read. Not once did I say they shouldn't be paid, but I have theorized on why they probably don't want to be. And said if they don't care I don't, cause it's weirdo shit to do otherwise.
"Also, here's another funny concept. Have yall considered that the mods don't want to paid? Cause ya know, makes this shit feel like a job when they got jobs."
"Sure I want labor to be paid but if niggas wanna VOLUNTEER and do work for free I (important) do not care."
Read this line carefully and you'll find the answers you seek.
Hey I know yall mods feelings and thoughts about how the site should be run but here's MY way the site should be run and golly gee it is FOR SURE BETTER.
I swear whenever someone holds up a mirror to the community they wanna scream they're not the problem but everything else is.
That has nothing to do with what I said.I mean the site could also be set up with a different structure and less aggressive monetization. There's nothing inherently wrong about volunteer modding. It's when you rely on unpaid mods on a highly profitable website where it starts to feel exploitative. If Era was only running enough ads to pay for the servers and technical staff and some overhead for rainy day funds, etc. it would be a totally different situation than one where the sole owner can fetch a a 4.5 million dollar payday.
8th time's the charm!Just looking at a couple of their forums and they're all dead.
no, but looking at the mod list which is actually 30, not 20 as I guessed, you would know as someone who works with international businesses that hiring 30 international part timers is horribly cost inefficient. managing that many staff getting paid peanuts would just be a waste of everyone's time.
When a corporation bought Audacity in order to monetize it, a bunch of developers who contributed to it for free got super upset and immediately made their own fork not associated with the company.Open source / free software has been a thing for decades with people devoting huge amounts of code without pay, just a desire to help create something nice for the world. Seems like a community forum would be no different.
I know you banned for you can eat a dick fuck nigga. Don't come for the homie like that.
yeah sameGotta say that suddenly learning about half a dozen splinter forums really stinks. I know its selfish of me, who barely posts an really isn't part of any/the community here, but I would super miss the big catch all forum this was if it dissolves into a million tiny specific boards -_-
If you care about the staff, even just in principle, pay attention to what they've always asked for: to be treated better by the community. Right now, the mod team isn't having to deal with the site being sold, they are having to deal with the reactions in this thread. They are having to read all the posts calling them complicit in a grand failure, they are having to read all the posts about how the website is over, all the "delete my accounts", all the "what about TRANSPARENCY", all the insistence that everything they have worked for is pointless, all the perception that nothing they do has ever mattered to anyone, all the grandstanding about how shady and dishonest and manipulative the forum is and that it must not actually stand for anything because the forum has a new owner. I don't know if people understand how incredibly damaging this torrent of rhetoric is for your mental health.
So if you genuinely care about staff, and you're not just in it for the fun of drama, do what is actually in your power to do: treat them like your fellow members invested in the welfare of the forum, not like enemies or failures. Maybe saying you think they should have been paid is your way of expressing that, but I mean it when I say that is never what I wanted. I was always very clear with what I hoped to get from this role. I never got it. I retired in exhaustion and humiliation because I could not overcome the mental and physical toll this community took on me. I've been to the emergency room. I've been medicated. I've been counseled. I've had to completely reinvent my relationship with the internet. I am fucked up and damaged goods from how members here, past and present, conduct themselves at the first sign of gossip or scandal. No amount of money would have made a difference with that. Not even a little bit.
Why the FUCK would mods not want to get paid? Here's an idea: pay the mods appropriately except for the ones who want to be hairy potter house elves for some reason dumb reason.
Ignoring the debate of mods not even getting anything which is horrendous based off what this community started as,, let's look at the damn tech team that has been keeping this website functionally operational and now have to "figure out" where they are getting a paycheck from if at all.
Mods collectively decided to work for free, and that was that. How would you support an individual mod demanding to get paid for their work?
Certain Members: Tell us how you feel, staffers.The crazy thing about this thread is folks have been saying "ask the staff how they feel" and now that staff are chiming in, people are saying they're wrong.