Resetera's Top 101 Essential RPGs - Final Update. Top 101 up plus many extras.
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That feeling when a certain game wins Best Soundtrack and Best Art Direction, but then ERA only ranks it #56 on the main list
I'd vote in all of these except Puzzle and rhythm, sports and racing, and simulation.
I like the idea of doing votes for other genres but I think a schedule like this would be a bit much, people would get sick of voting haha.
I'd vote in all of these except Puzzle and rhythm, sports and racing, and simulation.
"What is a turn anyway? A back and forth of you and an opponent acting and then responding? Now, some may say this doesn't apply to BotW, but they are forgetting the stasis ability and freezing weapons! This allows you to define the gameplay in a way you feel most comfortable with, including the ability to immobilize an opponent, take your turn to select a counter attack, and allow your enemy to attack you in retaliation before taking your next turn! Checkmate, naysayers!"
This will change by next year. Trust me. Chrono Cross will rise - there is a reason it is the most critically acclaimed game Square has made according to Metacritic.That feeling when a game wins Best Soundtrack and Best Art Direction, but then ERA only ranks it #56 on the main list
I love this track to death. If were to rank all the video games songs this would be top 5 easy.
Clicked right away (but I did have a hint on how the gameplay works)
JRPG of the gen easy, that content, that gameplay, that emotion, that charm, that music, that world.
10/10.
FF12 deserves to break top 20 next year. This game just keeps getting better as it ages.
One highlight of this game is how good the storytelling is without being hand-holding. You are already in the nitty-gritty from the beginning and there are so many things it foreshadows that you are pretty much required to play it again to see the big picture. The first playthrough is a final fantasy adventure, the second playthrough is a Shakespearean tragedy. When you get to know who does what and why from the start, you really begin to understand how much emphasis FF12 puts on the people that populates this world.
I remember people complaining at release and even today that this game sucked because you didn't get to fight all the high judges like it was an episode of naruto. It just shows how much of a different brand of fantasy FF12 is than what was expected at the time. This is not about good and evil, most characters you think are irremediably bad by being in the wrong side have in fact more argument in favour of their ideology than not. You even get to realize how much Ashe, which is the closest to a main character, is a ruthless character who is willing to use force to bend things to her will until she's convinced to take a better course of action.
FF12 was always more than it seemed at first glance, but doing so in a JRPG, especially one for a mainstream audience, is pretty much a death sentence.
One highlight of this game is how good the storytelling is without being hand-holding. You are already in the nitty-gritty from the beginning and there are so many things it foreshadows that you are pretty much required to play it again to see the big picture. The first playthrough is a final fantasy adventure, the second playthrough is a Shakespearean tragedy. When you get to know who does what and why from the start, you really begin to understand how much emphasis FF12 puts on the people that populates this world.
I remember people complaining at release and even today that this game sucked because you didn't get to fight all the high judges like it was an episode of naruto. It just shows how much of a different brand of fantasy FF12 is than what was expected at the time. This is not about good and evil, most characters you think are irremediably bad by being in the wrong side have in fact more argument in favour of their ideology than not. You even get to realize how much Ashe, which is the closest to a main character, is a ruthless character who is willing to use force to bend things to her will until she's convinced to take a better course of action.
FF12 was always more than it seemed at first glance, but doing so in a JRPG, especially one for a mainstream audience, is pretty much a death sentence.
That feeling when a certain game wins Best Soundtrack and Best Art Direction, but then ERA only ranks it #56 on the main list
I like the idea of doing votes for other genres but I think a schedule like this would be a bit much, people would get sick of voting haha.
I'd vote in all of these except Puzzle and rhythm, sports and racing, and simulation.
But an essential list for every genre is essential. B)
but yeah, agree it would be hectic but we could alternate "Top 100" lists with "Top 25 or 50" lists. And, okay, the schedule doesn't have to be THAT fast paced.
I believe you. The CC and FFVIII hype train starts early next time!This will change by next year. Trust me. Chrono Cross will rise - there is a reason it is the most critically acclaimed game Square has made according to Metacritic.
If this thread is any indication, a top-101 platformer thread would be an amazing thing. Imagine:
--Salt whenever a 3D Sonic game makes it on the list
--Salt whenever a Kirby game other than Super Star makes the list
--Confusion over certain games making a list because they are not "pure platformers" that havr heavy adventure or have third-person shooting elements
--General arguements on which 2D platformers were better Sonic or Mario
--a lot of older games from dead franchises or niche franchises placing low or not placing at all due to hardly anyone having a chance or patience to play them
--General OST talk
And most important of all
--Super Mario Sunshine Top 20 gif spam
--Salt whenever a 3D Sonic game makes it on the list
--Salt whenever a Kirby game other than Super Star makes the list
--Confusion over certain games making a list because they are not "pure platformers" that havr heavy adventure or have third-person shooting elements
--General arguements on which 2D platformers were better Sonic or Mario
--a lot of older games from dead franchises or niche franchises placing low or not placing at all due to hardly anyone having a chance or patience to play them
--General OST talk
And most important of all
--Super Mario Sunshine Top 20 gif spam
Xenoblade 2 has a really good chance of cracking the top 20 then. And next year it might even surpass XC1 if enough people play it (and like it).
All this FFVIII OST talk and I haven't seen my favourite mentioned
I find the orchestrated version transcendent.
I find the orchestrated version transcendent.
We'll have to see. I think both did fairly well, but the last I saw previous year results, Xenoblade peaked at #2, then started falling down each year to around 9 or 10 last I saw. It's possible that XB2 may have boosted it, either by exposing more people to the series itself, or bringing out the ardent defenders who use the first game to criticize the second game, but we'll have to see how it all shakes out.
You forgot the shit flinging when Breath is the Wild makes it on the list! otherwise perfect. Also super metroid at number 1 every year
I'm pretty sure a top 101 platforming game list will include every half decent plaforming game so this probably won't happen.
Basically identical to this thread except replace Final Fantasy with Mario, Persona with Donkey Kong Country, and Final Fantasy VIII with Sonic Adventure 2 lol
For those considering their own lists for other genres, I'd recommend cutting it at 50. 100 is a lot of work and takes a long time. Also you may want to get together and decide rules, how you'll aggregate votes, prizes if you do them, and presentation of the final list. Last but not least, you'll likely need approval. ERA isn't hot on list threads, but I think you'd get support if you had a plan together.
If I recall, what I did was only post fancy stuff for top 10-20 and put the rest as static text. It was too much work for me otherwise(I did mine solo).
gonna be great when Rock Band 2 destroys Portal 2...
I wonder if these months, the discussions will get to at least 30 pages
so, the same list as top 100 RPGs but with Mario games in it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6BtJaBQmo&list=PL294020FE0E62D993&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZMWszd5SRk&index=10&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwEpsHoe2hg&index=12&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FigpUS799EA&index=18&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzKHWdVMsag&index=21&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT1fc1opGkA&index=25&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7krkpynl-8&index=30&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=torEytKxkeI&index=32&list=PL294020FE0E62D993
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VhscZJXcE&list=PL294020FE0E62D993&index=34
All sublime tracks, just from disc 1 alone. I can see some people disliking the main battle theme given it plays a lot but if eel that is an issue with a lot of battle themes exactly because they get played so much resulting in overexposure.
To be fair Uematsu also said this himself explicitly asking for help on the game as he had become burnt out with composing for Final Fantasy at that point and i think he proved it later with Lost odyssey that he still could perform well.
Tell that to ten-year-old me.
Criticly, yes they were. But, like the Star Wars movies, there was (and is) a vocal minority of the fan base that goes after the titles. VIII was absolutely beat on by fans when it released. As was X (for super dumb reasons), as was XII.
This is probably one more negative forums for XV, too. Outside of the forum it's pretty loved.
I'm sorry that you felt the need to spend all that time collecting those links, but nope. I've already said in another post that Liberi Fatali and The Landing (and ok I'll give you Fithos Lusec, forgot about that one) are the only non-endgame tracks I really like, and this list does nothing to change that.
FWIW I don't get tired of the main battle/boss themes in previous FF, I still like them to this day, and I've hated the 8 ones (including Laguna battles and regular boss battles) since the beginning. Thanks for trying but you won't change my mind.
this poll was made shortly after FF XV's release. I'd assume if the poll was done again in January 2019, things would be much different. XV would probably fall somewhere between XIV and IV
Best art direction? We talking about Chrono Cross here? grimacingemoji.gifThat feeling when a certain game wins Best Soundtrack and Best Art Direction, but then ERA only ranks it #56 on the main list
All that would matter to me are that Ico and TLG are considered cinematic platformers, so all my energy would go towards getting them top 10-20. Also getting Another World /Out of this World to make the list.
Since battle tracks are the most commonly acknowledged from VIII I want to focus on some other fantastic songs.
Martial Law
Stage Is Set - I realize this was actually posted above in a batch of links
Salt Flats
The Spy
Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinose - I realize this was actually posted above in a batch of links
The escape themes are also my favourite in the series:
A Plank Between One and Perdition
Never Look Back - I realize this was actually posted above in a batch of links
Finally the best track in my opinion:
Paired with the ending itself is my favorite in the entire series. The last half when the Final Fantasy theme starts up right up to the end is beautiful.
Martial Law
Stage Is Set - I realize this was actually posted above in a batch of links
Salt Flats
The Spy
Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinose - I realize this was actually posted above in a batch of links
The escape themes are also my favourite in the series:
A Plank Between One and Perdition
Never Look Back - I realize this was actually posted above in a batch of links
Finally the best track in my opinion:
Paired with the ending itself is my favorite in the entire series. The last half when the Final Fantasy theme starts up right up to the end is beautiful.
So a slow, un-fun ten-hour start is fine, but if another game has one dungeon that isn't fun its the worst ever? :P
You scaring me.
Lol.
I think Uematsu changed his tune. I watched a video as I woke up of Uematsu saying VI is his favorite. So I guess not VIII from him, so I guess its Amano. Not surprised. Amano is a man of fine taste. ;)
I always knew he was bribed into saying it! XD
Saving for posterity.
A few months ago was shortly after its release? Okay... I think you're kind of grasping at straws here.
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FFX being the first to not have Uematsu as the sole composer did wonders. Still hard to believe that a death metal track is in an opening cutscene/penultimate boss fight.
For sure but I disagree on limiting platformers in particular to 50, especially if Metroidvanias are likely to get decent support. If this (rpg) list had only been 50, the games would have been pretty predictable and the main question would be placement. Because it was doubled, it gives a lot of hidden gems exposure and reminds even core rpg fans of games they forgot to play.
Platformers have enough history where it's pretty much similar numbers (50ish obvious games in a debatable order and another 100+ games of high quality that might need more exposure).
Not in the Europe :( CT is one of my favourite games of all time and I'd love to be able to play CC
Wait, I don't remember, when have I ever said this o_O
And no, the start isn't fine lol. It's pretty shitty, as is a lot of the other stuff in the game. The game just manages to rise above its disappointments to deliver a great experience by the end, imo.
Thats sucks. I just checked and its available in America.
So is Chrono Cross a sequel to Chrono Trigger or something?
The first half feels more like a spiritual sequel but the second half is a full on sequel.
Yeah, I think 100 slots is really small for almost every genre in 2018. 50 would feel tiny. This RPG list didn't even have room for major franchises like Ultima or milestones like Phantasy Star 1, let alone actual hidden gems.
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Yes and I'd recommend playing Trigger first if you haven't already, more importantly though definitely pick up Cross and play it on the Vita, on the Vita screen the artwork (these screenshots are in-game background art by the way) looks awe-inspiring.
That's probably too frequent and would kill turnout. Quarterly is probably the sweet spot. We do rpg in summer and goty in winter, so fall and spring we can cycle through the list.