Looks like they're out of stock. I was just going to use the s-video cable I have for it through the converter for that and N64.
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Retro AV Thread |OT| RGB, CRTs, Upscalers, and More
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Looks like they're out of stock. I was just going to use the s-video cable I have for it through the converter for that and N64.
As long as your TV supports the modes you want (3x/4x/5x) for the consoles you want then yes.
"Available". :P
They're temporarily shutting down their store on July 1st to focus on development (Dreamcast?) while they're waiting for more stock but CastleMania Games and RetroStuff has some. People should just remember to go through the test to make sure their TV likes 240p over component.
https://castlemaniagames.com/shop?keywords=hd retrovision&olsPage=search
https://retrostuff.ca/collections/hd-retrovision-cables
Finally got my UltraHDMI in, and got it installed!
Installing it was a bit tricky, but took my time and went slow and didn't really have any issues.
Though when I first tried it, it didn't work. Scared the crap out of me. Turns out it was a dirty ram expansion slot, and the HDMI mod was fine. Man that slot can be tricky to get clean too. D:
Anyway, everything I've heard about this mod has been right. It looks fantastic. The de-blur is like magic, and the retro mode looks great too. This mod, along with parts from Steel Sticks that I got earlier this year, have really reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the N64.
Installing it was a bit tricky, but took my time and went slow and didn't really have any issues.
Though when I first tried it, it didn't work. Scared the crap out of me. Turns out it was a dirty ram expansion slot, and the HDMI mod was fine. Man that slot can be tricky to get clean too. D:
Anyway, everything I've heard about this mod has been right. It looks fantastic. The de-blur is like magic, and the retro mode looks great too. This mod, along with parts from Steel Sticks that I got earlier this year, have really reinvigorated my enthusiasm for the N64.
That's why I decided to try my hand at doing the mod myself. I already had most of the tools I needed to do it, just needed to buy some new flux. However I can understand not wanting to do it yourself. It's not a beginner mod at all. I was super nervous about it.
That sounds like way too much. Where from and where to would you ship? You could also just send the bare motherboard to cut down on size and weight.
The only mod I did was the Snes region mod lol
Kuwait to US. I don't think customs would be very happy with me sending a motherboard.
You could also look at having a modder pick up a console and kit in the US and then ship it to you. Maybe even salvage a mainboard from a cosmetically damaged console?
Of course, the value of and ideas is contingent on you actually wanting to spend the UltraHDMI kit price, modder service cost, and all of the involved shipping in the first place.
I am going to setup all of my retro consoles soon for max quality, as such I am getting a Framemeister. For the NES, is there a consensus on whether the RBG mod over a Framemeister or the HDMI mod is better for use on an HDTV?
They directly compare both later in the video but I don't know if there's been any updates to change things. Any reason you're going FM over OSSC? Just wanted to make sure you've researched everything.
From what I understand the Framemeister is easier to work with and had much broader compatibility than the OSSC.
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If you download firebrandX's profiles for the framemeister, and set up your memory card right, there's really not much you have to do to get great images out of the framemeister.
So I've been using a capture device in conjunction with old consoles (PS1, Saturn) and the framemeister for a while now, and I'd like do a little bit of a better job capturing a specific game, but the software I'm using in conjunction with it doesn't have the option to turn off deinterlacing. It only has the option to turn it to "low." I received the following post the last time I made a thread about PS1 capture.
I'm wondering if it might be possible to use third party software with the device. I discovered that it's actually detectable by capture software that came with Vegas Pro 14, but attempting to use it creates a file where the video runs in slow motion and thirty seconds of capture are about 20GB. I didn't do much of a thorough search, but some cursory attempts at looking for other software left me with PC screen capture, rather than capture of an external device. Am I likely beholden to the software the device came with?
I'm wondering if it might be possible to use third party software with the device. I discovered that it's actually detectable by capture software that came with Vegas Pro 14, but attempting to use it creates a file where the video runs in slow motion and thirty seconds of capture are about 20GB. I didn't do much of a thorough search, but some cursory attempts at looking for other software left me with PC screen capture, rather than capture of an external device. Am I likely beholden to the software the device came with?
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What is the capture device you're using, it'd be hard for some one to recommend software that can work with it, with out knowing what it is.
https://www.startech.com/m/AV/Converters/Video/usb-3-0-video-capture-device-hdmi-dvi-vga~USB3HDCAP
Startech HD capture device. It appears to be the same device as the Micomsoft X-Capture.
So I heard through the Grapevine that OSSC has display compatibility issues.
Does anyone think running your TV through custom resolutions would be a good way to test resolution compatibility (using a computer I guess)?
Yesterday I ran my 4K TV through multiple odd resolutions like 1600x1200, 1920x1200, 1280x960, etc. I was able to get an image on my 4K TV after using these resolutions on my pc. Maybe I'm not sol, but I don't know if that's a definitive test or not. I'd hope it is, because I'd really love to do some Line5x gaming.
Does anyone think running your TV through custom resolutions would be a good way to test resolution compatibility (using a computer I guess)?
Yesterday I ran my 4K TV through multiple odd resolutions like 1600x1200, 1920x1200, 1280x960, etc. I was able to get an image on my 4K TV after using these resolutions on my pc. Maybe I'm not sol, but I don't know if that's a definitive test or not. I'd hope it is, because I'd really love to do some Line5x gaming.
Wanted to validate that I got my cable in the other day (from the US seller - ordered the Canadian one as well, but still waiting on that) and it works great. Thank you for the suggestion - it's a huge improvement over composite.
i finally tried the OSSC on a 55 inch plasma.
my first impression, i didn't like the look of it. i was hoping it was better than a framemeister.
maybe i need to take another look with another TV before a make a definite conclusion.
my first impression, i didn't like the look of it. i was hoping it was better than a framemeister.
maybe i need to take another look with another TV before a make a definite conclusion.
Although reviews say you can switch from 16:9 to 4:3, I can't find any way to do it. Sent out an email to the company but I'm going to assume this won't work for older consoles like it says. Very weird.
The output is extremely customizable. You should take a look at the OSSC wiki, and go through the menus on the device before writing it off.
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It's not always just the resolution but the oddball refresh rates of some consoles and the oddball resolutions combined.
Glad to hear it! I've found that N64 S-Video is pretty much "good enough", when the alternative is paying big bucks for an RGB mod or the UltraHDMI board.
thanks! i got my friend to buy one but don't own one yet. i donated a PVM to him for free (14" ikagami) pictured
and then he started on a retro/CRT craze which eventually led him to getting an OSSC for his VGA monitors. i went over his house and asked him to hook it up to his 55" flatscreen and maybe i didn't give it a fair chance.
tbh, i'm very close friends with the owner of retro game boards site, Peltz, (i don't post there but a few on here are regulars over there), he has a framemeister and prefers CRT's over it (his framemeister sits in a corner gathering dust). he demo'ed it for me and agreed with his opinion. he doesn't say much on the boards about the topic bc there's a lot of fans that prefer the framemeister over CRTs. We were both, however, very excited about the OSSC and really wanted to check it out.... i'm going to try it again and i'll try and post some impressions somewhere down the line when i get a chance to get my hands on one.
my setup currently:
i've been using a JVC DT-V1710CG that was damaged and discolored,
i took it apart and reseated the yoke last year (posted these here long ago) and fixed the discoloration (scary job!):
but i agree upscalers are the future when all CRT's die out so i need to really get something like an OSSC eventually regardless of my opinion.
Right, but that's configurable through the OSSC itself right? Which means that can be mended. The way I see it is there's 2 issues: Resolution and Timing, where the latter can be fixed through tinkering with the OSSC. But for Resolution, the only fix I've read is if it's not supported it has to be fed into a VP50 or any other high quality video scalar. I was just wondering about the method I used, and whether it was good enough to determine if the TV can support those resolutions or not. It's scary to read all the TVs that are unsupported.
Where exactly can I get an RBG modkit for an NES?
Also, how does the N64 look on the Framemeister with s-video?
Also, how does the N64 look on the Framemeister with s-video?
I tried this before I got mine and it wasn't indicative of the actual compatibility. Can't get above 2x 4:3 on my main TV.
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I don't think you can change the timing of the refresh of a system with the OSSC. My understanding is that's why people feed it into some other scalar to stabilize the refresh rate.
What were you feeding the plasma? What resolution?
I'm assuming it was a 1080p plasma.
Most of those are going to non-integer scale OSSC output whether it is 480p or 720p or 960p or 1200p. That's a problem.
Yep, the refresh rate output by the OSSC is always the same as the input. If that's 60.09hz 240p from a NES, you'll output 60.09hz in 480p or 720p or 960p or 1200p. It is not designed to ever buffer or skip or blend frames which is what you need to do to change the refresh rate.
Thanks for the suggestion! I tried it out, but I can't seem to get it to run. It appears to freeze upon opening it. It's doing something according to Task Manager, but upon checking Bitdefender's whitelist (it initially blocked it), it says it's apparently "never been run" (paraphrasing).
I have the codec installed. Edit: Upon attempting to test it, none of these opened or played, but I could open the files and play the videos manually ... Hmm.
Now I'm really upset because this seems like great software with a lot of options. I tried changing the CPU in the codec manager settings (I have no problem running the associated codec file), changing what graphics card the file opens with, but no luck. Running it as an Admin, or in compatibility mode doesn't seem to help either. The most frustrating thing is that there isn't even a clear problem. Augh!
Edit: If I try to open it in safe mode, the error message "GetDefaultAudioEndpoint" shows up, but not when attempting to open it normally. : /
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Do you have an AV receiver? My TV supports everything the OSSC offers but trips up on the SNES and NES refresh rate. Switching my receiver from bypass to game mode fixes that. Having an AV receiver basically gives you an extra chance or a fallback.
Yeah I have the Denon S920W I primarily use for my HD gaming. But I don't know if it has a bypass game mode. If it would help though that would be great and hopefully it doesn't add too much lag.
Thanks for the suggestion! I tried it out, but I can't seem to get it to run. It appears to freeze upon opening it. It's doing something according to Task Manager, but upon checking Bitdefender's whitelist (it initially blocked it), it says it's apparently "never been run" (paraphrasing).
I have the codec installed. Edit: Upon attempting to test it, none of these opened or played, but I could open the files and play the videos manually ... Hmm.
Now I'm really upset because this seems like great software with a lot of options. I tried changing the CPU in the codec manager settings (I have no problem running the associated codec file), changing what graphics card the file opens with, but no luck. Running it as an Admin, or in compatibility mode doesn't seem to help either. The most frustrating thing is that there isn't even a clear problem. Augh!
Edit: If I try to open it in safe mode, the error message "GetDefaultAudioEndpoint" shows up, but not when attempting to open it normally. : /
That's weird. I've never run into this sort of issue before. I don't know what to suggest other than to try the previous version, 3.10. http://www.amarectv.com/download_amarectv.htm
I didn't expect this to work, but somehow it did. I mean, ... what? I guess I should have tried this earlier. It also appears to be compatible with the codec I installed.
Thanks for suggesting it! I noticed it automatically defaulted to English. I have all my regional settings set to Japanese, but Windows is in English. That ... that can't be it right?
Edit: I am getting extreme input lag, though. Like, a full second or two of it. But I'll play with it and see if I can get it to work. If I can't, I guess being forced to use unnecessary deinterlacing with software that doesn't do a terrible job of recording games isn't too bad.
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I posted this in the PS2 thread, but this thread might be more apt.
I'm going to buy a PS2, and I want it on my LG C7, this is a UK one, so it has no analog input options.
I don't want to pay a ton for a fancy up scaling box, I just want to get PS2s component output straight to HDMI.
What's the best option?
I'm going to buy a PS2, and I want it on my LG C7, this is a UK one, so it has no analog input options.
I don't want to pay a ton for a fancy up scaling box, I just want to get PS2s component output straight to HDMI.
What's the best option?
With PS2... you're gonna have a mess on your hands with 480i and no scaler. An AV reciever might do a decent job, but I'd expect a varible amount of lag. Other than that there's the cheap dongles... enjoy the horror of mishandled 480i there.
The TV handles 480i over HDMI apparently, so the TV should be fine to handle scaling itself. The lag and any colour issues are the real question.
I've read mixed impressions of the little PS2 to HDMI solution box things, but I would think a simple component to HDMI converter board would be the best solution, but they all seem to be very random, like there doesn't appear to be a 'go to' version of them to buy.
I can't speak for your particular display's internal scaler, but a lot of the scalers that manufacturers build into their TVs are not terribly robust.
Realistically, any manufacturer making a cheap video processing device is probably just using one of a handful of cheap, pre-existing hardware designs anyway. Especialy If they're making a device that is retailing at £30 (so imagine how much less it cost the retailer to begin with, and then how much less it cost the manufacturer to make in the first place...not much room for custom engineering in those figures!)
So at this point, I would say to just buy whatever one has the function you're looking for, is in your budget zone, and has some good reviews on the UK Amazon site. Or get a hold of a CRT (with component inputs, or maybe SCART since you're UK)?
I am in the UK, but I'll be going full NTSC for 60Hz, when possible, obvious still like Siren 2 I'm out of luck.
I think I'll buy one of those little dongle PS2 to HDMI things, and if that's not any good, get a separate Component to HDMI converter. The OSSC seems amazing, but the price, for the sake of just a few PS2 games is a little steep, and obviously, there's a real limit to how clean you can get a PS2 output to look. It was kind of assy at the time.
It's really the latency and any serious colour issues I want to avoid. I don't mind if it's a little noisy with some separation, I only ever played on Scart or Composite at the time anyway.
I can't speak for color issues, but again, your TV's internal scaler may not be fast enough to avoid latency or lag. Especially if it has to do non-integer scaling (that is, having to scale video horizontally or vertically by a decimal factor like 4.5x, instead of a nice whole number factor like 4x or 5x).
There's a reason people bring up CRT TVs, CRT PVMs/BVMs, and scalers like the Framemeister and OSSC all the time, and it's not just to flash cash or brag (OK, OK, maybe a *little* bit). It's because new TV manufacturers don't give two craps about how well old games display or play on their shiny new TV technology, haven't done so in a long time, and never will. So the aforementioned are still the only reliably playable display options, sadly.
But maybe LG is on the ball; I'm certain people will be interested in hearing your results either way. Good luck!
I've no doubt the results of using an OSSC would be better, but it's just a question of how much better versus the cost for me.
There's plenty of video of people playing more actiony games using these cheap devices with no complaints. There's a big question of how sensitive those people are to latency, but an OLED at minimum is pixel switching a lot faster than those LCDs, and I'm for the most part looking to play much slower games.
But yeah, we shall see. And even if it's good enough for my needs, doesn't mean it'd be recommendable for people really into the retro scene or sure.
If you're looking to play slow games, BC PS3 or PS2 classics is a nice avenue if you have a PS3 around. The A01 PS3 has very good deinterlacing if you can keep one alive and all PS3s output RGB and digital HDMI natively. No lossy conversions necessary.
i wish it could do 240p, then i could get rid of my pspgo dock
Is there any benefit to routing audio (or using audio) inside the ossc? Doesn't seem like a very good setup. In my head I am thinking of just routing the audio from my bandridge box to my receiver. All I can think of is the use of audio via HDMI, but that's it right? Or are there audio enhancement tools within the ossc?