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Reuters: TikTok owner prefers shutting down app in US than selling it's algorithm
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Of course the current owners are going to do and say anything to rile up their and users in their defense. If the divestment decree passes all legal challenges they will absolutely divest the US operations and business.
Thank you. This is great dissection of the emotionally charged replies folks are levying in response to this legislation.
Just the framing of the legislation as a "ban" is inaccurate and yet it's become the accepted nomenclature here. It's a forced divestment folks.
Thank you. This is great dissection of the emotionally charged replies folks are levying in response to this legislation.
Just the framing of the legislation as a "ban" is inaccurate and yet it's become the accepted nomenclature here. It's a forced divestment folks.
Literally how? Just because a post tells you something you don't want to hear doesn't make it terrible.
What? No it isn't. The US isn't placing anyone in concentration plants and forcing them into slave labor. Anyone claiming China is somehow morally superior to the US in any capacity needs to spend less time ranting online and more time actually informing themselves.
Already not voting for my rep who voted for this. My senator not running for reelection.
Biden is a fucking hypocrite though.
Biden is a fucking hypocrite though.
There is an underlying assumption in the "China will meddle with us, we can't trust them" argument, which is that None Of The Current Political Quagmire Wouldn't Happen If It Wasn't For Russia. I'm so sorry but the permanent state of exception and rise of a particular kind of right wing, which by the way is exported around the world, is your doing. The belief in rational discourse among two hegemonic, gargantuan parties that nevertheless sat right next to one another in the political compass is what caused all this in the first place. There's homework to be done before China is the major problem.
Yeah. There's no way the US would let state government's control women's bodies or violently suppress the right to free speech.
Would you say the US is better at providing that if Trump wins? I'd imagine not. So I don't think the government inherently is better at providing any of that.
And this is exactly what everyone on Era has told me.
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Also, I don't think anyone claimed China was morally superior.
Thats pretty fascinating that the US is almost meaningless to Tik Tok's financial performance (the parent company), I would never have guessed that based on how popular it seems among younger people in the US. Just goes to show how the shifts in global capitalism is occurring slowly.
I suspect we'll see this more and more in the 21st century and the results will probably be extremely unexpected and surprising.
I suspect we'll see this more and more in the 21st century and the results will probably be extremely unexpected and surprising.
IMO it's a negotiating tactic. Doesn't exactly help your bargaining power to admit you're screwed and intend to sell.
There's another report that indicates they plan to sell but without the algo, which does not conflict with this report. They stand to lose a insignificant sum of money if they were banned or stopped operations. They had planned to sell to Microsoft or Oracle in 2020 on the previous wave of ban threats.
So more likely than not their bluff has been called. We'll no doubt see more reporting on this as time passes.
It's unlikely that a good faith actor business wouldn't see this as a point to sell and cash out their American branch. The only real reason to be adamant to not sell is if the reason for the ban are legitimate.
Not that it is equivalent, but it really needs to be stated that while we aren't publicly at that point of rounding up all ethnic minorities and shoving them in torture camps and slave camps, we have migrants from the Mexican boarder in camps living in terrible conditions, prisons filled with people of color forced to work, states trying to put children back into factories by dismantling protections for them, trans people being persecuted by our state governments, and we aid, sell weapons, and give money to various genocidal regimes AND have assisted in various wars that have wiped out countless numbers of people of color in other countries so…
We aren't actively engaging in genocide on our soil in the way China is, but we have done terrible things—continue to do terrible things—and this country has the potential to do more.
Of course. There was a tweet in one of the political discords that said that Bytedance was looking for buyers for the app without the algorithm so I imagine this is also a sales tactic. Companies might want to lowball them since they're up against the clock, but by making it seem like they're okay being banned in the US it gives them some wiggle room.
every video on tiktok starts with "biden just voted to", "biden just approved"
you can bet the farm republicans will use this
You cannot possible compare the level of censorship on social media between China and the US.
The fact that TikTok is prepared to work against their own financial interest, in refusing to sell, is explicit proof that they are running an influence operation. The 'algorithm' excuse is a red herring.
I will add one more point to this.
There will 100% be a TikTok equivalent in this country before TikTok is actually shut down.
I remember people saying similar things about the demise of MySpace. As I am in the "older generation" I never did get on the TikTok bandwagon so I just don't care and I don't see why the end of TikTok would be terrible as there are other apps to take its place? They all seem the same to me. (insert "old man shouting at cloud.gif")
Russia has actually been able to do all of this via Facebook and Twitter, so why will anyone perceive this as a national security measure and not an assault on American free speech?
There are plenty of them already, the reason this bill exists is because they struggled to compete with Tiktok.
The US Government is not placing its own citizens in reeducation farms and stripping them away from their families and communities while some unknown majority of them mysteriously disappear while also subjecting those who remain to social credit systems all on the basis of their faith.
Seriously some of you need to take a step back and actually think about the parallels you are spouting before you post them. Providing funding to another state engaged in a horrendous campaign against civilians is awful but it is not in any way remotely the same as the horrific actions China takes on its own citizens and the fact that any person here would think otherwise betrays such a total lack of understanding that I can't help but be in a state of utter disbelief reading through this thread.
US Foreign Policy is another world honestly.
It's just completely different apparatus completely.
I hope people here are happy to have Youtube Shorts pushed to them even more
Is it really whataboutism if you're just pointing out blatant hypocrisy?
Case in point is the amount of pro-Palestinian messaging on Twitter. You won't find equivalent Uyghur messaging anywhere in China.
TikTok is the biggest platform for Palestine support right now. Meanwhile Twitter/Elon is actively using the platform to destabilize Brazilian democracy saying Bolsonaro lost because the election was rigged
Also I just searched "Uyghur" on Tiktok and there are tons of videos
The U.S. would never do that… Just don't Google Black Americans and the Prison Industrial Complex.
All of this is true. There are absolutely many reasons to be critical of our federal and state governments and I whole heartedly agree on every single one of those mentioned here but words have meaning and the above does not make us equivalent to the horrors China's government inflicts on its own citizenry. Implying or outfighting stating they do is wrong.
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House approves sell-or-be-banned TikTok measure, attaching it to foreign aid bill US Politics
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