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Which is always so fucking weird. Why would anyone who is not a sexist or racist feel insulted or slighted at someone saying "fuck you" to racists and sexists?
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Rian Johnson on those who didn’t like TLJ because of its diversity: “Fuck them”
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"Shut up and be glad you were invited to the party!" you can't shout me down or dismiss how I feel about the portrayal of the minorities in this film. Just because some minorities are OK with shit that's not ok doesn't make it OK.
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You are screaming at wall. No one has ever said or done anything you claim.
Also not to mention what does any of your ramblings have to do with the topic?
Director: Fuck you to those who are angry at my film because they don't like feminism or non-white male leads.
Objektivity: STOP CLAIMING I SHOULD BE THANKFUL FOR TOKEN MINORITIES!
I won't stand in your way of shouting down and dismissing how others feel about the portrayal of minorities in this movie. You know the white people and "tokens" you mentioned.
If he werent grandstanding about diversity he wouldn't be called out by minorities.
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He isn't grand standing about diversity. This is all in your head.
He told racists and sexists who say vile derogatory things about this movie and it's cast to fuck off. That's it.
Thanks
Edit: still no video, though. The link there doesn't seem to work either
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A quick glance at the top 5 most viewed anti-TLJ YouTube videos will sadly burst this bubble.
The most viewed anti-TLJ video on YouTube with 8 mil views calls Kelly Marie Tran "a dumb Asian bitch".
Was speaking for myself personally so sorry for not being aware of that videos existence. I think it's crazy to hate a movie just for it's inclusion
Make the lead a female Bothan or Trandoshan and see what the incels do.
Now now, don't invent quotes. He calls her the "the dumb Asian lady", and then "this dumb bitch". Very clear difference!
please no,
if they made the main character an alien character people will say it doesnt count as diversity.
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the incel racists who watch anti-TLJ videos on youtube won't have their racism triggered by an alien either. A minority woman lead please.
Lol I don't even like TLJ but goddamn.
Rian Johnson: "fuck racists and misogynists"
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Have the alien voiced by a WoC, then incels can be mad about that and other people can be mad that they didn't just make the character a human WoC. That way everyone is mad.
Fuck him? He said "fuck them" in reference to bigots shitting on diversity. Who cares about the quality of the movie, that's not even what this thread is about?
There's a lot to discuss on this topic. I mean heck, we're actively discussing the contingency of people who benefit bigots by derailing threads about bigotry against TLJ's cast with irrelevant discussion. That's a very important thing to discuss. If you don't think there's anything to talk about regarding this topic, then why are you posting in it?
Even broom boy was white. I almost feel bad for the guy shit on from the far right and the left.
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Now I just have to ask: what was your intention when creating this thread, anyway? Like, what was the discussion you had hoped for to take place going to be like? From your OP, I think there are pretty much just two possible points of discussion to be had, the first being your initial question ("how could you not love this guy?") and the second being a duh-inducing "bigotry is bad", on which nobody here will dispute you. Which leaves only the first point to discuss, i.e. how great Rian Johnson is and how much he must be loved because he doesn't like bigotry. Again, nobody is going to contest you on the bigotry part, which in turn encourages people to express their sentiment on how much and why RJ should or should not be "loved". Which inevitably resulted in what this thread has, expectedly, turned into.
If you are unhappy with the discourse taking place, maybe you can shed some light on the direction you would want to see the discussion take instead. I suppose you are not expecting anyone to come forth and outright state that RJ is wrong and haters of diversity should be tended to more?
I don't think the world will get more racist if people criticise the way TLJ handles its minority characters in a thread about the movie's diversity. And I think it's related to the topic.
If the intent of the thread was a chorus of "fuck bigots and fuck Trump" then it hardly seems worth posting at all
You say that as if the majority of criticism TLJ received in this thread was about that.
Or we can talk about how people hijack conversations about race and gender to be about their own personal gripes.
Discussing Rian's diversity in his own movie isn't off topic or derailment if that's what some of y'all are hinting at. Diversity don't just stop at 'Alright they're in the movie, we're done here!'. Going into these movies Finn was the ONLY reason I even gave Star Wars a chance. TFA was my first Star Wars movie BECAUSE Finn was in it. I was iffy about his portrayal there too but I still liked him overall and just chalked it up to it being the character's infancy. Then I watched TLJ, and it became rather obvious this was just gonna be another white persons journey and everyone else just tags along. I like Rose, I like Finn, I like Canto Bight & I like Poe. I probably woulda liked that all more if it wasn't attached to the slog fest of Rey & Kylo will they won't theying in the force for a damn hour. Like I'm happy for Rian for fighting the good fight against racism and sexism. That doesn't just suddenly make him exempt from criticism though.
Like I guess this was just supposed to be some masturabatory 'gottem' thread of people constantly going 'Yeah Rian! You're right, anyone who didn't like TLJ because of its diversity can go fuck themselves!' I like Rian, I like what he did with the franchise, and I'm looking forward to what he does with his set of movies but that doesn't mean I'll like the portrayal of Finn which is admittedly not only his fault.
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Like I guess this was just supposed to be some masturabatory 'gottem' thread of people constantly going 'Yeah Rian! You're right, anyone who didn't like TLJ because of its diversity can go fuck themselves!' I like Rian, I like what he did with the franchise, and I'm looking forward to what he does with his set of movies but that doesn't mean I'll like the portrayal of Finn which is admittedly not only his fault.
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You only gave Star Wars a chance because you thought the lead was black?
We can simultaneously recognize that RJ is referring to bigots when he says "fuck 'em" and also accept that diversity in SW, while having made significant/huge steps forward in its diversity, can and do a better job with representation with its most significant roles (and writers/directors too).
Which is partly why I'm so disappointed with Fallen Order's marketing thus far.
Part of the problem is that some people seem to be assuming his response is in regard to criticism of how PoC are portrayed in the films (not saying you), when that's not the case.
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Who gets to decide what is ok? The king of all minorities?
Like I've said. I have no dog in this race. This one guy calling minorities who like the way these characters are portrayed in these movies "tokens" is extremely offensive. Fuck that stupid ass bullshit.
The altright has for years said that they don't want minorities in movies if they aren't perfectly written or integral to the plot. Ignoring all the white male characters who don't have to live up to any sort of quality. This is the same argument, that if they are poorly written (subjective opinion) that they may as well not be there. Nah, black people are allowed to be shitty characters just like everyone else. Feel free to talk about how these movies are poorly written, or whatever you want. That they are minority actors has nothing to do with anything other than the fact that it's good that they were given a chance.
Cool but dumb. So in the trailer, when you see all of those ships you simply need to take down those star destroyers with a few hyperdrive attacks. Why not use it in the battle of endor? Or create a fleet of drone vehicles that just hyperspace into everything. Yes, it was a cool scene, but still dumb. With the whole sequel trilogy, all they had to do was set it 100 years into the future. Luke, Leia, Han etc.. are dead heroes, and new threat appears. Create new heroes and story separate from the OT. But too late for that.
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How is it too late? Can always jump 100+ years in the future any time they want.
Because it's not a good idea when your actual objective is to take down a moon-sized Death Star, which is too large to be destroyed by some hyperdrive attacks.
Also not a good idea when you have a very limited number of ships and personnel, because in most circumstances you wouldn't be able to evacuate people, and can't replenish your ships as easily as your foe. Also doesn't work if the ship is weak enough or close enough to be taken out by weapon fire before it can line up and go into hyperdrive. Also not a good idea if the ship you're using doesn't have enough mass to do substantial damage. Keep in mind, even after the TLJ hyperdrive attack, the First Order was able to immediately launch a Hoth-scale planetary assault. Also a bad idea in the long term, as generally it's better to be able to reuse your ships over and over in multiple engagements. Also a bad idea when the enemy fleet is in a more scattered formation.
Basically it was only even a good idea in the movie because the resistance was out of options, and there are any number of reasons not to use it in other situations.
And in the first place, "they didn't do this cool thing before" nitpickery is not an inherently good reason to hate a cool thing when it shows up.
That would also be really cool, but probably not a very cost-effective use of hyperdrives, and again mass of the "projectile" is presumably a factor here.
I don't see how this is a controversial statement. For every bit of fair, legitimate criticism that is levelled at the movie, you get someone whining on the internet about feminists and "SJWs". You shouldn't take any offence if you fall in the former group, but the latter is not so insignificant and it was big enough to get Kelly Marie Tran bullied off the internet. It should be addressed and I'm glad he did.
What's wrong with that? It's no real different than getting into Star Wars because Rey is a woman, except I'd argue it's even more important for a lead to be black than a woman because we've already got characters like Buffy Summers, Ellen Ripley and Sarah Connor.
When this stuff is the kind of thing you have to deal with, attaching yourself to something that actually represents you is totally understandable. If Finn is the reason someone got into Star Wars and they're left disappointed with how he was portrayed so far, then yes I'd say Star Wars needs to do better.
Never thought there was anything wrong with that. Race is just another way to relate to a character too. Just wanted to clarify with him.
If he had watched those previous Star Wars movies, he may have figured out from the start that Finn wasn't the real lead and destined to be Rey's sidekick like I did.
Yes, that's literally the point of diversity. To make these franchises more palatable to marginalized groups by making them feel like they can also be apart of the franchise. What's hard to understand about that? You don't see how many women and little girls are out here doing Rey cosplays and shit?
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I mean, I agree. That is indeed stupid, just like it's stupid for those same people to constantly tell other black people that don't like it that it's because they just don't understand the deep intricacies of storytelling is also extremely offensive so no wonder toxic shit like that is being thrown around.
Okay? Them being minority actors has something to do with something for some people though. Just because the altright has this impossible metric for good written characters of color doesn't mean I have to accept mediocrity. Like you think I don't side eye all the people that wanted Finn to die in TLJ? Like I said before, I like Rian Johnson and agree with his message here. BUT just because racist online weirdos don't like his movie doesn't mean I have to like his sorry ass characterization of Finn either.
I can agree that this is wrong and shouldn't be happening.
Who says that I didn't understand it? No need to get defensive about it. I'm part of several marginalized groups too. I just wanted to see if I got that right.
Pretty much. Honestly, that's how it felt when I first read the title and Cheebo(sorry for calling you out bro lol) of all people making the thread didn't exactly change my feelings on the matter. When you see the video though it's pretty clear that's not what he meant.
That is fine. I'm talking about something specific and haven't mentioned anything about some people thinking this series is deeper than it is.
Go ahead and criticize the characters. My problem lies with anyone acting like those who like them is less of a minority, especially when it's basically the same argument thrown at us by the altright.
The guy you quoted is acting like we're a monolith and anyone who thinks differently than him is a token. His opinion on the matter is the one true vision and if someone disagrees it's because we're tokens or whatever the stupid point was.
You can quote me don't be scared. For someone with "no dog in this race" you sure are around alot in these threads about minorities and Latinos. I'll say it again just because some minorities are OK with shit that's not ok doesn't make it OK.
Of course I can quote you. I haven't pretended you weren't the one I was talking about. Big deal.
I am Hispanic. I don't have a dog in this Star Wars pissing contest.
I'll say it again, your bad opinions are your own and you don't get to decide anyone's blackness, or how Latin they are just because they disagree with you.
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