[Rumour] Jeuxvideo.com : both Xbox Scarlett models will feature SSD, will be revealed at E3 2019, with Halo Infinite as launch game
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Crucial P1 1TB is $150 in retail today [it can achieve up to 2TB/s sequential read].
If MS or Sony want to buy tens of million of those QLC chips, they would today get the deal for <$100.
Plus industry is expecting up to 25% pricedrop on all SSDs until end of 2019, and 8 bits per cell SSD tech is also coming.
I say there is no way they can be having 8 cores in a SoC and a big GPU. AMD has said so far they will not use chiplet designs for APUs, which severely limits what can be achieved. If this changes by 2020, then sure, they have more flexibility.
But we'd have to see that. So far, at 500$ this gen, consoles have had notebook-class GPUs and the equivalent to a 200$ AMD GPU, and that's before we get into power usage limitations.
CPU and GPU however both those will be sharing the same RAM pool. Unless im mistaken…
Just wondering if this will have enough or are we getting checkboard until a gen later.
It's also worth thinking, that if Sony announce this year and launch early 2020 Microsoft want to make sure people like myself will hold out 6-9 months for considerably stronger hardware. I won't be buying two consoles in 2020 so I appreciate being able to weigh up the options.
I don't want to stream games and the internet in Brazil is not reliable for this.
I'm also not inclined to pay $500 for a console.
Please do not put expensive storage drives as a default option, give the NVMe slot and let the user decide. You already have a limited budget of $400-$500, blow it on stuff that you're stuck with for the rest of the generation like CPU and GPU. I would gladly take $20 spinning drive with more powerful GPU and upgrade the drive myself later.
& GPU, but it depends on the game & the visuals, you can do 4K/60fps on DOOM 2016, doesn't mean you will do 4K/60 in the new Harry Potter RPG for Next Gen, most devs will target 30fps for more visuals.
I'd be willing to shell out the price of the X (maybe even a bit more) to have an insanely competitive console from the start, one that hopefully needs no mid-gen upgrade. SSD in particular sounds great.
While that's true, they also mean a longer development than usual. No Halo this fall is 4 years, next fall is 5 years since Halo 5. So they are actually spending 5 years on a Halo title. Halo 4 to 5 was 3 years.
Streaming is the grim future that will bankrupt the industry. You can quote me on that in 10 years.
They used Jaguar this gen because AMD had no good alternatives. 7nm with Zen2 makes it possible.
I wouldn' be surprised that Microsoft goes and announces it's plans first, seeing that they were on stage for AMD's CES presentation this year. But i doubt we will see a lot, and doubt the specs are locked in if it's a late 2020 release.
hey dont compare this to PS3 launch! the PS3 had a blu ray drive that saved it, based off this article lockhart doesnt even have a disc drive to begin with.
But that's always the case. I think the X can run any PS3/Xbox360 game at 4k/60fps
Again, 1TB SSD's seems impossible right now or next year, at an affordable (as in "HDD like") price. A few years from now (think 2021-2022 or thereabouts)? Sure.
Hybrid drives or two drives (one of them being a small-ish SSD) seems feasible, but that's not what the leak mentions.
It's not that they won't become a standard (technically I'd say they already are in the PC side of things), it's that 1TB of them doesn't really seem feasible. Especially so the NVMe kind, which is what these leaks specifically mention.
I really dont' see how these wouldn't instantly add anywhere from $50 to $100 (I've no real idea on the margins used here tbh) to the price of a console launching in 2020 (on top of whatever new hardware it uses).
In terms of performance, this sort of hardware becoming the new base for games would be awesome though.
I think Arthur Gies was mentioning on RebelFM he believes raytracing will be part of the next Xbox. Not sure if he was just speculating based on the fact that MS is doing raytracing sessions at DICE this year and AMD has also stated that they are working on raytracing hardware or if he had some insider knowledge though. It would also make sense as to why the TFlop count doesn't seem like a dramatic increase if they are dedicating some of the silicon to raytracing.
I just hope there would be a way to expand the ssd sizeAgain, 1TB SSD's seems impossible right now or next year, at an affordable (as in "HDD like") price. A few years from now (think 2021-2022 or thereabouts)? Sure.
Hybrid drives or two drives (one of them being a small-ish SSD) seems feasible, but that's not what the leak mentions.
It's not that they won't become a standard (technically I'd say they already are in the PC side of things), it's that 1TB of them doesn't really seem feasible. Especially so the NVMe kind, which is what these leaks specifically mention.
I really dont' see how these wouldn't instantly add anywhere from $50 to $100 (I've no real idea on the margins used here tbh) to the price of a console launching in 2020 (on top of whatever new hardware it uses).
In terms of performance, this sort of hardware becoming the new base for games would be awesome though.
The entry level machine is not a streaming box. It's a 1080p box, and the high end one is a 4K box IMO.
As box hooked up to a 1080p display, Lockhart would be capable of delivering higher frame rates than 1X.
The biggest SoC in 14/16nm using Ryzen is the one in the Subor Z, it's larger than the Scorpio Engine while only having 24 GPU CUs compared to the 40 in the Scorpio Engine, due to the presence of only 4 Ryzen cores. Link
Given how expensive the 7nm node is, (Radeon VII is more expensive than the Vega 64 was two years ago, while having the same number of transistors) how large can they go? Now, sure, late 2020 is almost two years from now, but Moore's Law is more than dead, and let's not forget that the XBOX One X is one of the most power hungry consoles ever released at more than 180W at full tilt, and that, judging by Radeon VII, that 8 core, 12 TFLOP machine would be more like in the 300W+ range.
It all just sounds very unrealistic to me, 16nm to 7nm is a smaller change than 28nm to 16nm was, and people paint it like it's some miracle. Look at the base PS4 to the XBOX One X jump in GPU power, and that's while having the same CPU and on a bigger jump in node efficiency. Even accounting for Navi being a very decent jump in efficiency, and for the 7nm node getting cheaper, it sounds like a completely unrealistic jump to me.
Everybody was expecting 3TFLOP+ and i7-equivalent machines for the PS4 and the XBOX One, and there were many "rumors" pointing to that, even when the contemporary technology was clearly not ready for such performance. This is the same, once more. At 500$, all the new consoles can have is an equivalent to whatever 150W, 200$ GPU AMD releases, coupled with a notebook-class CPU.
Lockhart is NOT a streaming machine. It is a regular console, but disc-less and for gaming in 1080p.
The cheap model including not just an SSD but the most expensive kind of SSD doesn't pass the sniff test, imo. I'm not going to believe that sort of thing unless it comes from some iron clad sources closer to launch. We're 12-18 months out right now.
i am pretty sure they won't pay retail and already have them in their supply chain for other products
ssd prices are dropping precipitously as well
The best news for me is Halo infinite as a launch title for Scarlett. So happy to see Halo in next gen glory after being so disappointed by Halo 5 ( graphics, story and level design ).
After the impact Breath of the Wild gave to the Nintendo Switch, I don't see how Microsoft and Sony would miss out on the opportunity of launching their next gen systems with their biggest franchses - Halo and the Last of Us.
After the impact Breath of the Wild gave to the Nintendo Switch, I don't see how Microsoft and Sony would miss out on the opportunity of launching their next gen systems with their biggest franchses - Halo and the Last of Us.
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lol! Alright, Ken. I got till next fall at least.
Fall 2020 gonna be a bloodbath. Especially if Nintendo also drops that Switch revision then too... And you know PS5 is gonna be around that time. Although I don't know that it'd be same day. Wild in retrospect that they ever did that shit in the past.
Forget E3 2019, let's get to June 2020 already.
This is where I'm at too, the majority of users won't be able to notice the loading time difference anyway. Let us upgrade if/when we want.
Navi 10 isn't a big GPU & will be in the $200 range, i don't think 7nm is as magical as some others think, but i can see a laptop variant ryzen 2 with no hyper threading & smaller cache etc being fit nicely in, doubt the SSD though, but like someone else said, they might put in a hybrid HDD with a 256-128GB SSD & be a bit sneaky & not mention the size.
Anyone thinking PS5/Next Box will have a Desktop 4ghz+ 8c/16t CPU need to be a bit more real though.
depends on how fast the nvme device is. you can get non-max performance drives at1tb for 100, and the prices are dropping every minth
A discless console has been a dream for me for ages now. Thank fuck we are possibly finally getting one.
