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Autodidact

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Basically, the unionized campaign organizers want the $15 dollar wage that Sanders advocates for all workers, but his campaign has been reluctant to agree. Some might see this as hypocritical; I couldn't possibly comment.
 

Fat4all

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seems like they are paid a salary, but they're having to work a lot of extra hours per week?

edit:

The draft letter estimated that field organizers were working 60 hours per week at minimum, dropping their average hourly pay to less than $13.
 

Serpens007

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Yeah, I think this is one of those cases where you really need to practice what you preach.

Who must have agitated the waters there anyway?
 

devSin

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Hopefully Ilhan Omar is in the news again this weekend. Then he can use her to fundraise some more.

That should cover the difference.
 

Kirblar

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Between this and the Twitch thing Bernie's team is showing all of the management competence you'd expect from the leadership team behind Our Revolution, the Sanders Institute and Burlington College.
Yeah, I think this is one of those cases where you really need to practice what you preach.

Who must have agitated the waters there anyway?
I would not be shocked if the Twitch thing is what sparked them to just go public- this type of intra-campaign dispute spilling out in the open is not common. We didn't hear about the AA outreach issues until well after the 2016 campaign was done.
 

Jakenbakin

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Figuring your salary into hourly allotments does not make sense with his proposed minimum though does it? Having been salary for years I hate it, but it's not like I pretend my pay is fluctuating based on the demand for hours.
 

mugurumakensei

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Figuring your salary into hourly allotments does not make sense with his proposed minimum though does it? Having been salary for years I hate it, but it's not like I pretend my pay is fluctuating based on the demand for hours.

It has to right? Otherwise, a lot of employers are going to be circumventing the minimum wage if it reaches $15/hr by using his example he's setting.
 

Fat4all

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there's a set salary for Field Workers but its clear they didn't plan for the amount of time being put into the work per week

renegotiation over the Field Workers pay probably needs to happen

its weird, it seems like some of the workers are salary, and some are hourly pay?
 

cubanb

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His workers have to take out payday loans because he is paying them $36K (annual) for 60 hour work weeks? What a hypocrite.
 

xenocide

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there's a set salary for Field Workers but its clear they didn't plan for the amount of time being put into the work per week

renegotiation over the Field Workers pay probably needs to happen

its weird, it seems like some of the workers are salary, and some are hourly pay?

Shouldn't surprise anyone. Sanders did the bare minimum to build infrastructure in 2016, and I've heard it isn't much better this time around.
 

Ogodei

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Fair to him, I doubt any of the other campaigns are doing that much better. Easy exploitation at the lower rungs of the campaign machine.
 

Kangi

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Not paying Jeff Weaver anymore could help cover the wage cost, surely.
 

NateDrake

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there's a set salary for Field Workers but its clear they didn't plan for the amount of time being put into the work per week

renegotiation over the Field Workers pay probably needs to happen

its weird, it seems like some of the workers are salary, and some are hourly pay?

It does sound that way or the plan was for that.

The union and the Sanders campaign reached a collective bargaining agreement that went into effect on May 2 and expires on March 31, 2021. The agreement established wage classifications for national and state staff, ranging from $15 an hour for interns and canvassers to $100,000 annual salaries for bargaining unit deputies.

Field organizers, who are on the front lines of the campaign's crucial voter contact efforts, were to be paid not by hours worked but via an annual salary set at $36,000. Regional field directors were to be paid $48,000 annually, and statewide department directors were allocated $90,000 per year.
 

Thatonedice1

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Working on that also.
there's a set salary for Field Workers but its clear they didn't plan for the amount of time being put into the work per week

renegotiation over the Field Workers pay probably needs to happen

its weird, it seems like some of the workers are salary, and some are hourly pay?

I've worked on a campaign before and field organizers are normally Salary cause they are contracted for the whole campaign. The only people I know that work hourly are paid canvassers cause they normally work like 1 day.
 

Chikor

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They shouldn't work their staff 60 hours a week anyway.
Also, his campaign, like all campaigns still use unpaid labor and they should stop doing that shit too.
 

Kirblar

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They shouldn't work their staff 60 hours a week anyway.
Also, his campaign, like all campaigns still use unpaid labor and they should stop doing that shit too.
Your vendetta against people voluntarily donating their time to a campaign they believe in is really, really strange.
 

Chikor

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Your vendetta against people voluntarily donating their time to a campaign they believe in is really, really strange.
If you ever want to address the issue instead of analyzing my motives, feel free.
It's fine to disagree, but please don't act like my position is a mystery - I am a firm believer in labor laws and I don't think campaign jobs, especially not primary campaign jobs are these amazingly unique beasts that must be exempt from them.
 

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I mean.... This is a pretty different job then the people Sanders wants to give a 15 dollar minimum wage to. A field organizer is being paid to basically live a political campaign until the candidate either wins or loses. They work long hours. 60+ overtime is a guarantee.
Ah, so Sanders meant that only some people should get the $15 minimum wage!
 

mugurumakensei

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I mean.... This is a pretty different job then the people Sanders wants to give a 15 dollar minimum wage to. A field organizer is being paid to basically live a political campaign until the candidate either wins or loses. They work long hours. 60+ overtime is a guarantee.

Wages should be adjusted to the reality of what the average number of hours worked in a given week are for the salaried worker. An intern should not be making more cause they are hourly.
 

Robochimp

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Any action the union could seemingly take ultimately hurts the campaign which puts the jobs in peril.

Hire more people to bring workload down; costs money

Pay people more; costs money

Strike; leaves the campaign running only on volunteer power and or having to hire scabs.
 

5taquitos

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Not sure why. Salaried workers making below the (proposed) minimum wage is kind of fucked up. It's also well below the sallaried overtime rule President Obama's DoL implemented shortly before Trump took over.
Nobody goes into a Field Organizer position thinking they'll just be working 40. Not saying it's right by any means, but in that position it's always made clear that you'll be working lots of hours and you don't qualify for OT.

When my wife did it locally here, she ended up at like $8/hr when it was all said and done, even though she was salaried.
 

Tamanon

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Nobody goes into a Field Organizer position thinking they'll just be working 40. Not saying it's right by any means, but in that position it's always made clear that you'll be working lots of hours and you don't qualify for OT.

I mean, that's literally the argument for any salaried job with too many hours.

Honestly, his campaign rakes in too much money that there's no real excuse for this. They need to just take care of it already.
 

Kirblar

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If you ever want to address the issue instead of analyzing my motives, feel free.
It's fine to disagree, but please don't act like my position is a mystery - I am a firm believer in labor laws and I don't think campaign jobs, especially not primary campaign jobs are these amazingly unique beasts that must be exempt from them.
People donate their time to animal hospitals, meals on wheels, habitat for humanity, and yes political campaigns. They do it because they want to help something out in their spare time, not because they need to make a living doing it. Time is money. Money is Time. People are just donating their time directly instead of donating money for the campaign to buy other people's time.
 

cubanb

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Nobody goes into a Field Organizer position thinking they'll just be working 40. Not saying it's right by any means, but in that position it's always made clear that you'll be working lots of hours and you don't qualify for OT.

When my wife did it locally here, she ended up at like $8/hr when it was all said and done, even though she was salaried.
Well if you are running on the 1% exploiting the masses, don't pay like you the 1%. Pay based on the hours you expect them to work.
 

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People donate their time to animal hospitals, meals on wheels, habitat for humanity, and yes political campaigns. They do it because they want to help something out in their spare time, not because they need to make a living doing it. Time is money. Money is Time. People are just donating their time directly instead of donating money for the campaign to buy other people's time.
"Donating their time" this is a paid occupation, and if the people who are doing your campaign can't even get $15/hr why should I trust that the whole country can?
 

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can't have the most cash on hand and not strut the stump

edit: gotta stop taking these articles at face value
 
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capitalCORN

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Nobody goes into a Field Organizer position thinking they'll just be working 40. Not saying it's right by any means, but in that position it's always made clear that you'll be working lots of hours and you don't qualify for OT.

When my wife did it locally here, she ended up at like $8/hr when it was all said and done, even though she was salaried.

A field organizer should not be a tentpole for fucking with standards. They're not emergency workers.
 

samoyed

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Nobody goes into a Field Organizer position thinking they'll just be working 40. Not saying it's right by any means, but in that position it's always made clear that you'll be working lots of hours and you don't qualify for OT.

When my wife did it locally here, she ended up at like $8/hr when it was all said and done, even though she was salaried.
This reminds me of the justification for game dev crunch.

I mean if we both accept that this is "wrong" then obviously we should fix it even if it "imperils" the campaign.


Guilt-tripping people into working unpaid OT for a "good cause" does not make for a good standards setting example.