It's fair to say the thought of Prime Minister Johnson doesn't jive all that well with Scotland.
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Scottish Government to set out plans for indyref2 within days of Theresa May’s departure
- Thread starter Umbrella Carp
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It's fair to say the thought of Prime Minister Johnson doesn't jive all that well with Scotland.
Yeah I was previously not in favour of independence because I want more unity in Europe, not less, but as soon as Brexit happened, fuck it, I would rather Scotland be part of the EU than the UK. It's just a shame that certain other countries *cough Spain cough* would be unlikely to allow that to happen.
Same, heard similar from others I know here as well.
and if it did happen, I hope people remember that Cameron (and his successors) are the ones that broke the Union.
Aka I hope they don't just blame it on whoever is PM at the time it happens.
As i understood it, Spain has no issues with Scottish independence provided it is mutually accepted. Unilateral declarations are a problem for Spain.
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Strange that Spain wouldn't allow something that would screw the UK considering the historic relations between the two isn't great.
Can we stop spreading literal fake news from the first referendum?
That's great news. I figured for sure they would be trying to oppose it as a means of sucking air out of their own secessionist movements.
There better be English support this time. If you fuckers still keep rattling on about World War 2 and Rule Britannia we're going to invade.
Support the destruction of the Union, then you can come to live up in the North like Jon Snow. You'll be welcome as an honorary Scot. We don't hate foreigners as much as the Brexiteers.
Support the destruction of the Union, then you can come to live up in the North like Jon Snow. You'll be welcome as an honorary Scot. We don't hate foreigners as much as the Brexiteers.
It's kinda funny to see our independence movement be the opposite of so many other similar movements in the world.
We want to leave our current union so we can let in more immigrants and get closer to other countries.
I wonder what the immigration policies would be in a newly-independent Scotland; I can imagine there would be many Remainers, disabled folk, minorities, LGBT, etc who would want to be in a county that is both in Europe and free of the Evil Tories/Useless Labour dichotomy. I'd move up there if I had the chance.
Really wouldn't blame Scotland for leaving at this point, but it would be a shame to dismantle the UK. What a shitshow.
One of the most significant factors in them remaining as part of the UK in the last vote, was that they would remain part of the EU and we would all be stronger for it. So in light of Scotland leaning heavily remain and being forced to leave — I can't fault anyone in Scotland who change their mind and wants to now vote for independence.
Also the prospect of Johnson being rewarded for all of this mess and getting the top job is abysmal and disgusting... all of this stopped making sense a long time ago so nothing would be surprising at this point.
Also the prospect of Johnson being rewarded for all of this mess and getting the top job is abysmal and disgusting... all of this stopped making sense a long time ago so nothing would be surprising at this point.
The greatest irony when people hear "Scottish National Party" and immediately freak the fuck out.
Civic nationalism or benign nationalism can be a thing, even if large parts of the world are more concerned about identity/identitarian nationalism.
But would the UK ever accept the outcome of a new ref if it is yes?
Yep. The arguments of "You'll be kicked out the EU" and "You'll need a new currency" aren't as strong when we're being dragged out the EU anyway and the pound is collapsing.
Tbf, SNP very much were that kind of national party at some point. I'm sure if the party were formed today it wouldn't have went with the SNP name for that very reason.
We need more working age people and want to be in the EU. So as is for e.u and probably slightly more open door the rest of the world.
We need more working age people whatever happens regarding the UK tbh
Edinburgh is almost a mini-London. If you want culture, you go out in Glasgow.
But that being said, I can handle the Edinburgh snobbery more than I can handle the gammons.
Well they accepted brexit even though it was yes and non legally binding :|
Hopefully I should have some good working experience under my belt when/if Scotland becomes independent. My main worry is that my skillset might not be in demand, but who knows.
I was born in Scotland but I've lived in the north of England most of my life. When the first referendum occurred I didn't particularly agree with it. But this time, I can totally see the arguments for becoming an independent country and sympathize entirely. What a mess.
Already the stain of leaving the EU will mar the legacies of the politicians and generations associated with it. But imagine also being potentially associated with the historical breaking up of the United Kingdom. It goes from a disaster to an absolute travesty. All those anti-EU Tories are going to bend over backwards to not let this happen, so even if the referendum came up as independent, I wonder what would even happen?
Also if you guys leave, can I come back? <3
Already the stain of leaving the EU will mar the legacies of the politicians and generations associated with it. But imagine also being potentially associated with the historical breaking up of the United Kingdom. It goes from a disaster to an absolute travesty. All those anti-EU Tories are going to bend over backwards to not let this happen, so even if the referendum came up as independent, I wonder what would even happen?
Also if you guys leave, can I come back? <3
So if this ended up happening, with Scottish family (living in England) would that mean I'd get dual citizenship?
They might not, but there are major political consequences either way.
Spain is more scared that their own provinces want to leave than that it wants to screw over England. It still has Gibraltar for that.
The only advertisement needed for #indyref2
Would be amazing if a fellow Scot and one from Edinburgh no less be the clown shoes that sealed the Union breaking up.
Would be amazing if a fellow Scot and one from Edinburgh no less be the clown shoes that sealed the Union breaking up.
Given how the Tories run the home office, you'd probably get deported.
Indeed — "we are going leaving the union, but you can't leave our union" is going to be some insanely hypocritical BS. Alternatively they accept and Brexit ofc, goes down as the thing that broke the UK.
If Scotland later wanna be counted among us Nordic countries, I wholeheartedly then support the motion.
Already got the cross thing going on the flag, just need to tilt it another 45 degrees and we're golden.
Already got the cross thing going on the flag, just need to tilt it another 45 degrees and we're golden.
Defending Boris Johnson to get back at Michael Gove.
How soon can we get off this train? The train that Farage is now steering.
Can't wait for tonight's EuroElection results...
I hope you guys make the right decision next time. I'd move up North and become a Scottish citizen in a heartbeat if Scotland left the UK. PM Boris will be like "lol no, fuck off, no independence vote for you" though.
In the UK they probably won't make great reading. No matter what the various parties add to to it will be reported as a landslide backing of Brexit.
DUP keeps winning so don't think n.i will want to go anywhere soon sadly.
Because it's going to be. The Brexit Party will win the highest share of the votes and Labour will be decimated by the Lib Dems.
The only thing I hold out for is a reasonable result in Scotland, but I'm even worried here. There are remain Unionist voters in Scotland more worried about indyref2 than Brexit. Can expect them to abandon Labour or SNP (yes, people up here vote SNP when they think the threat of indyref is gone) and quietly vote TBP in the booth.
These EuroElections are basically the Brexit vote round 2. And we can expect some of our remain allies to have stayed at home and have been playing Fortnite, watching Game of Thrones or making beans and toast instead of voting. The gammons will have been out in full level 99 Limit Break force.
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Defending Boris Johnson to get back at Michael Gove.
How soon can we get off this train? The train that Farage is now steering.
Can't wait for tonight's EuroElection results...
Yeah, that's a good point. Escaping the UK doesn't just mean escaping Brexit, it means escaping the potential fascism and similar politics that will occur when/if Farage gains more political power (whether literal or not)
Wales shouldn't be on the left side of that last panel. They overwhelmingly voted for Brexit and their (rather pitiful) Independence movement is based primarily in the same kind of xenophobia and shittiness that caused Brexit itself. If it weren't for the language and a vague sense of 'the English aren't us!' they'd essentially be the Robin to England's Batman.
Cardiff's good, though.