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SCOTUS rules 5–4 that ICE may arrest and detain an unauthorized immigrant indefinitely once he has been taken into criminal custody.
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Civil unrest due to climate change in decades makes me think we're fucked forever. Just another ship we don't have the time to turn around.
ICE is the KKK with a government badge.
This was on the ballet. Fuck the racist pieces of shit that voted for Trump.
This was on the ballet. Fuck the racist pieces of shit that voted for Trump.
Mark Joseph Stern @mjs_DC
Background on this case: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/nielsen-preap-aclu-neil-gorsuch-briefs.html …
During oral arguments, it really seemed like Gorsuch, and maybe even Kavanaugh, would side against the Trump administration. They didn't. 5–4 vote. Really bad day for immigration rights.
Breyer wrote the dissent, and he's reading it from the bench, which demonstrates just how upset he is. Last term he warned us that SCOTUS' conservatives want to strip immigrants of their constitutional rights: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/justice-alito-just-signaled-the-supreme-courts-conservatives-might-not-consider-immigrants-to-be-people.html …
Breyer writes that he fears the court's decision "will work serious harm to the principles for which American law has long stood." Calls it a violation of "basic American legal values."
Yeah. He's mad. pic.twitter.com/xjZfc0zISr
10:20 AM - Mar 19, 2019
Background on this case: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/10/nielsen-preap-aclu-neil-gorsuch-briefs.html …
During oral arguments, it really seemed like Gorsuch, and maybe even Kavanaugh, would side against the Trump administration. They didn't. 5–4 vote. Really bad day for immigration rights.
Breyer wrote the dissent, and he's reading it from the bench, which demonstrates just how upset he is. Last term he warned us that SCOTUS' conservatives want to strip immigrants of their constitutional rights: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/03/justice-alito-just-signaled-the-supreme-courts-conservatives-might-not-consider-immigrants-to-be-people.html …
Breyer writes that he fears the court's decision "will work serious harm to the principles for which American law has long stood." Calls it a violation of "basic American legal values."
Yeah. He's mad. pic.twitter.com/xjZfc0zISr
10:20 AM - Mar 19, 2019
Hey everyone who didn't vote. Thanks a lot for enabling Trump to get elected and fucking things up for decades just because Hillary wasn't your perfect candidate.
It is theoretically intended for those types of actual criminals yes but it's a slippery slop kind of deal. There probably won't be much change in the short term but it makes winning in 2020 that much more important as the President can then call off the dogs.
Indefinite detention without a conviction is supposed to be unconstitutional. This is a terrible ruling, completely inhumane.
I'm slightly confused and I don't know if I'm seeing an answer anywhere. Is this saying that ANY illegal immigrant can be detained indefinitely? Or is this more complex procedural question?
Why are judges so partisan in the US?
It makes the whole "do you have a warrant?" worthless if every legal decision is made using politics.
It makes the whole "do you have a warrant?" worthless if every legal decision is made using politics.
Ironic about this is majority of the Hispanic population in the states won't care that it affect their race mostly cause of fuck you got mine attitude.
It's not stealing a seat when Kennedy is coordinating with the White House on his retirement and replacement.
Twitter being incendiary? Shocking.
The law is pretty clear on its face, clearly in 1996 when Clinton signed this into law there wasn't quite as much scrutiny on mandatory detention without bond.
I'd prefer all detained immigrants have the option to a bond hearing but that's not what is in the law at the moment.
Remember that the words "human rights" are considered dirty ones to conservatives. Probably because they're barely human themselves.
Yeah, and the Senate didn't change hands anyway, Republicans actually gained seats. Maybe, a big maybe, they gained a seat or two because of Kavanaugh, but let's just say the Democrats were not winning the Senate in 2018. I think we all agree the Kavanaugh nomination was a horrible thing with a horrible result, it just wasn't stolen like the Garland seat.
No judges should be elected.
However they should have term limits. A rotating 20 year limit is the best solution.
It doesn't apply to indefinitely detaining asylum seekers? How are you interpreting this ruling?
Breyer's absolutely right.
This is a lasting harm to the United States.
Sure but ICE in general is pretty new and this ruling just cements their power and legitimacy. People probably weren't paying attention enough or being critical enough during Obama's 8 years, but that doesn't make this any less bad of a development.
Except this ruling legitimizes them and gives them legal backing. I don't really see the point of the "hey I followed this band a long time before you did" type rhetoric. So what if some people didn't know about them? They are legitimate now.
As it is, for whatever fucking reason the Constitution doesn't apply to even legal citizens within 100 miles of a border (any fucking border), which covers a significant portion of the population.
I'm still confused on whether this case was a challenge to an already existing law that is now upheld or the opposite? Can anyone clarify that for me?
I thought this has been true since the G.W. days. Was the caveat then that you had to "suspect" someone of being a terrorist before locking them away indefinitely with no formal charges or trial? Or is this extending that sort of privilege to another government agency?
Its ridiculous that we are coming full circuel where States and Federal Nullification are going to be what saves liberty in American rather than risk destroying it.
Blue states need to start doing radical shit like arresting ICE agents.
Blue states need to start doing radical shit like arresting ICE agents.
And yet, try to explain this to 'progressives' who refuse to vote for Dems if Bernie doesn't get the nom. TBF, though, many of these folks you meet online are sleeper cells/trolls, Russians just pretending to be stupid.
I'm not an expert in US constitutional law, however, I cannot see how this ruling can exist under any valid legal system. If it somehow does fit in with US law and these 5 conservative judges are correct in their ruling, then the foundation of US law itself is invalid and I do not respect it. I suspect the truth is that these 5 judges are simply partisan shitheels with no conscience or shame and they have deliberatuly misruled this point of law for political purposes.
Absolutely not. Not in today's climate. Elections in the US as is are fucked. You really want to add SC judges to that list of people campaigning and begging for money from people they're ostensibly in charge of restricting?