Why Atlus over Relic and Creative Assembly? People who have experience with Strategy games?
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SEGA teasing possible new Shining game announcement?
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Why Atlus over Relic and Creative Assembly? People who have experience with Strategy games?
No turn-based strategy Shining Force, no buy.
Also stop hiring Tony Taka to design the characters. They're horrendous.
Also stop hiring Tony Taka to design the characters. They're horrendous.
What's the name of the game? I'd like to check it out.
Fair enough; I actually only started looking into the series fairly recently, so I'm not aware of anything past Shining Force 3 or Shining the Holy Ark on Saturn. But if that's what they've doing....ouch.
Maybe they can get Atlus + Relic or even all three of them on it together. Atlus for the visual style, general story and soundtrack/general scenario direction, Relic and Creative Assembly for the core game mechanics, all three of them on structuring out the missions and plot beats etc.
It'd possibly also leave all three of them free to work on other stuff alongside it as well.
Blade Arcus from Shining EX, released in the west only on Steam as Blade Arcus from Shining: Battle Arena. I haven't played it yet but it seems like a very middle of the road anime fighter with characters from the 6 Tony Taka games as well as two or three original characters. And like literally every Shining game since Shining Force 3 it wasn't primarily developed in-house but instead by Studio Saizensen (who also developed Shining Hearts).
Yes! Heck, I'd settle for a port to PC/New consoles.
We may not have gotten VP3, but I did really enjoy RoF.
Man I just cannot agree with that. Like, even ignoring the creep-factor I just really dislike his character designs. I'd be more interested in these games even as B-grade ARPGs, because I love B-grade ARPGs, if the characters weren't so.... blegh.
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I hope fire emblems revival, and echoes baby steps into shining territory (semi explore towns, actually go through dungeons instead of just board after board) gives Sega courage to think there's an audience for a good shining force.
It's bizarre how stubbornly they've avoided making a shining game that is either a first person dungeon crawler or strategy rpg. It's like they looked at the original slate of games and out of the first ten decided, "you know, Shining Wisdom was clearly the best. Let's just go that way."
They have no problem putting Shining Force 1 and 2 in their Classic game collections though! What a bizarre company.
You forgot about the Shining Force 1 remake and the rereleases on phones. They also released some of the game gear games on the 3DS' VC.
"They exist! ...we barely care."
The modern Shining games are more like the Tales of games then even Shining at this point. The new lead behind the Shining games does seem interested in reviving the series in the west (which is one reason were getting Shining Resonance) so maybe we'll get surprised and they are actually going to make a new Shining Force game and it won't be terrible. I'd think saying that is nuts just a few months ago but a few months ago I never thought we'd ever get another Shining game in the west either so.... we'll see I guess? I'm not saying have hope or get excited at all, this is Sega still but it seems a lot more possible then it did a few months ago at least.
Oh for sure. Sega has been open about trying to give western fans more of what they want. And Sonic Mania and their push for Valkyrie Chronicles 4 makes me think they might actually try giving fans what they've been asking for.
...but I don't think either of us should reach a real consensus until Synbios chimes in. :p
Camelot did express their interest in making Shining Force 4. It hurt to read because Sega won't fund it. :'( https://www.resetera.com/threads/ca...and-other-camelot-and-treasures-tidbits.2030/
Seriously.
Out of all the things to give youtubers shit about, it was Shining Force 3.
FUCKING LOL
The original Shining games all did quite bad in Japan. After Camelot left they SEGA to make Shining games in the original style for awhile but they all did poorly everywhere. I do not blame them for sticking with what they found to work for them, but I am way beyond disappointed with how it turned out.
Camelot's still the best choice for the ones to save the series, but SEGA has quite a few studios that could handle quality strategy games in a similar enough style. Silky's suggestions for Creative Assembly or Relic handling the games is pretty cool (Personally I want to see Relic at least tackle a followup to Herzog Zwei), but they work independently and would have to pitch the ideas themselves I think.
Not to rain on the parade of anyone who actually likes the modern Shining games though. If nothing else I hope Refrain does well enough to get the future games localized too, and I love that it is coming to all major viable platforms instead of just a handful of them arbitrarily.
Camelot's still the best choice for the ones to save the series, but SEGA has quite a few studios that could handle quality strategy games in a similar enough style. Silky's suggestions for Creative Assembly or Relic handling the games is pretty cool (Personally I want to see Relic at least tackle a followup to Herzog Zwei), but they work independently and would have to pitch the ideas themselves I think.
Not to rain on the parade of anyone who actually likes the modern Shining games though. If nothing else I hope Refrain does well enough to get the future games localized too, and I love that it is coming to all major viable platforms instead of just a handful of them arbitrarily.
At this point, I'll only be on board with a Tony Shining if it's a self-parody with stupid characters making stupid faces a la Konosuba.
Edit: With the recent success of Fire Emblem, Sega's gotta be crazy to not to deliver something that fans of the former will eat up.
Edit: With the recent success of Fire Emblem, Sega's gotta be crazy to not to deliver something that fans of the former will eat up.
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Interesting; appreciate the heads-up, thanks! I don't mess with Steam tho, so it might be a while before I look further into this one.
Let's just say Japan had some..."questionable" tastes w/ JRPGs and SRPGs during a large chunk of that era if they ignored quality games like Shining III and Holy xD
Uh, because I trust the Devil Survivor team/ex-Career Soft people over Relic and CA to make a good turn based SRPG.
I'm a big Total War fan but what on earth would CA or Relic know about creating a RPG?
I'm trying so hard not to hope for a proper, new Shining Force game. But I'm a bitch that always let's his heart her broken.
They should do a Lovecraftian RPG and call it Shining Trapezohedron. Final boss is Nyarlathotep.
I don't have a problem with Tony Takas art, but rather Shinings shitty gameplay mechanics. It's like a poor man so Tales.
I wonder if Sega and Nintendo could share rights and help Camelot make a more traditional Shining game again, like they did with Bayonetta. I know Camelot is technically a third party and could work with Sega directly but I think Nintendo is the only company at this point that'd pony up the cash. Even then they'd probably just make a new Golden Sun instead, but maybe not if Sega agrees to invest in it too.
I'd kill for remakes of Shining Force I and II, or even just a complete localised release of III (doesn't even have to be a remake!). Hell, I'd be happy with a Shining Soul III.
I doubt any of these things will come to pass, though.
I doubt any of these things will come to pass, though.
Indeed, the RPG part is what sets Shining Force apart from games like Tactics Ogre. There are plenty of games like that which consist of nothing but battles, cutscenes and wading through menus, but very few which attempt to meld that with actual exploration. Arc the Lad is only other series at all close, but that's also dead in the water.
Getting a remastered version of Shining force 1 & 2,, similar to what secret of Mana got would make me very happy.
Count me in the camp that's a fan of the original Shining Force games, but couldn't care less about the other titles that have come out since. It's especially odd IMO that Sega hasn't tried going back to the SRPG playstyle of the originals in the wake of Nintendo successfully reviving Fire Emblem to a larger audience via Awakening (which I ended up buying and enjoying since it--for me--scratched the SRPG itch I hadn't received in years).
If they're not going to bother with a proper SFIV (not to be confused with Street Fighter :v) then the least they could do is make a proper port / remake of SF III. One of the more egregious examples of circulating the tapes since Sega didn't even bother releasing all three parts outside Japan.
ayyyyyyyyyyy
IIRC Atlus remade the original Shining Force for the GBA....although that was admittedly over a decade ago. They are a pretty talented studio nonetheless, I wouldn't mind giving them a shot at it.
Oh yeah, I actually forgot about that happening lmao. That was a really stupid and bizarrely spiteful move on Sega's part. I remember reading something to the effect that TotalBiscuit (who got hit the hardest by the videos being taken down) stopped making videos about Sega games because of that incident.
If they're not going to bother with a proper SFIV (
ayyyyyyyyyyy
IIRC Atlus remade the original Shining Force for the GBA....although that was admittedly over a decade ago. They are a pretty talented studio nonetheless, I wouldn't mind giving them a shot at it.
Oh yeah, I actually forgot about that happening lmao. That was a really stupid and bizarrely spiteful move on Sega's part. I remember reading something to the effect that TotalBiscuit (who got hit the hardest by the videos being taken down) stopped making videos about Sega games because of that incident.
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Shining Resonance is the only one that is like a Tales game
One way of looking at it is that since Shining force 3 the subsequent games in the series have been Shining games in the same way that Metal gear Survive is a Metal Gear game. The IP holder still releases games in the series but the original creators are long gone.
There was a time when the Shining series stood shoulder to shoulder with other series like Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy in terms of well regarded console jrpgs.
It stings because TotalBiscuit made a whole Let's Play of Shining Force III for SomethingAwful, back before he blew up on YouTube. Maybe it's still possible to find and watch those videos, but all the effort he put into the series has gone to waste. I really enjoyed it and hoped that he would one day restart the LP, but so it goes.
Sega of Japan's mix of apathy and misdirection with Shining as a franchise continues to disappoint me. I expect Resonance will sell well enough for the current serious producers to feel vindicated by history, if only because certain players will unknowingly (or knowingly...as if they lack waifus elsewhere) bankroll more games like this at the expense of something interesting.
Because the people who made Langrisser, Growlanser and Devil Survivor are at Atlus. People who have experience with SRPGs.