Who is unimpressed with the graphics? Very few people doubt these graphics. The game looks stunning. It is among the very best looking games out there. People doubt the game behind it because they didn't like the first game and this looks like more of the same.To the people who are unimpressed with what has been shown, what is out there that looks better?
There is too much sodium chloride in this thread.
If you want a traditional hack and slash game, there are games out for that. Ninja Theory has done that type of game with Heavenly Sword, DmC, and Enslaved.Who is unimpressed with the graphics? Very few people doubt these graphics. The game looks stunning. It is among the very best looking games out there. People doubt the game behind it because they didn't like the first game and this looks like more of the same.
And for a gameplay reveal, there was basically no gameplay here minus "move forward" "aim" and "move backwards" frequently interrupted by cutscenes. This is a complaint you can see for literally every gameplay trailer that offers minimal gameplay. It has nothing to do with "people being salty because this is an Xbox exclusive". This thread is the Halo Infinite wins Player's Voice 2021 at The Game Awards all over again.
Having never played the first game, this looked and sounded absolutely gorgeous. But boring.
We have this big monster crawling. This lady is running from it, shouting orders. Sometimes she wants dudes to spear it. Sometimes she spears it herself. Sometimes she wants fires lit. Sometimes she wants it to follow faster. Sometimes slower.
But there is no apparent rhyme or reason to why she shouts the orders that she does at any particular time. None of it matters. No matter what, the thing crawls on. If this is gameplay, I don't see much more than an ill-concieved on-rails setpiece. Prequel era George Lucas writing. It looks and sounds cool, that's enough apparently.
I have been here long enough to know that people always find something to complain about.
Microsoft showed Halo Infinite gameplay. It was fantastic from a gameplay perspective, and it played just as it plays today. What did people complain about? The visuals.
Microsoft showed off Hellblade II with what they described as a target, all rendered in engine, corroborated by Epic. What did people complain about? The complaint was that this was not what the game would look like when released, and that they wanted a fair representation of what the game would be.
They have shown what little they have of the game running and now people complain about wanting more gameplay from a game that is more than a year out. From a developer that last time shared developer diaries, and have been doing the same with this current game.
It is crazy. But people will be hype about logo's and teaser trailers.
This was a presentation of gameplay, meant to impress (and ultimately sell the game).
But the emphasis on "gameplay" before and after the presentation was not at all for the sake of gameplay. It was for the sake of graphics.
And wow, they really brought it with the graphics, kudos to them.
But this particular presentation failed to interest me (a potential newcomer) strictly as a presentation of gameplay for the sake of gameplay. It appeared too prompted, too guided, for my taste.
Does that make more sense?
The combat system is supposed to be a big part of the new game, they've got more people on board working on it (ex DMC lead) and have prepared their actors with 2 years worth of combat training. Looking forward to see what they'll come up with now they have a AAA production budget. Also, Jez Cordan believes it could be a wide-linear game, apparently they've invested alot in scanning vast swathes of Iceland.What's the expectation 1 or 2 more years? Hopefully these teases aren't generational.
Hellblade isn't meant to be a Devil May Cry or God of War or Last of Us. It's meant to be a story experience bringing attention to mental health with some game play mixed in. More like a Telltale games, except with MUCH higher quality.
It's a statement game. An experience. And a pretty fucking important one too because of how hard it focuses on mental health and bringing awareness to it.
And thank god for that. Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice was such a profoundly immersive and impactful experience, and I would hate to see the sequel get shoved into a box to morph into something that it was never designed to be.If you want a traditional hack and slash game, there are games out for that. Ninja Theory has done that type of game with Heavenly Sword, DmC, and Enslaved.
That is not what they are chasing with Hellblade. It is what some people want though. They have more than enough time to show off this game.
Well I think the gameplay will be improved, considering they've hired the DMC combat designer iirc. Having said that the game is, as you noted in your post about audio, about mental health and thus will always be this cinematic experience.I mean, the first Helblade was already super pretty, but the gameplay, puzzles, combat, level design were severely bland, almost an afterthought. And nothing in this demo points to an improved game on a mechanical level. One would expect Ninja Theory to be bolder now that they have the financial stability provided by Microsoft.
About the spoiler, I bet
You'd better avoid this game because, those rumors, are just one of the highlights of this Saga
Then stay away from this game. The voices are her
mental illness.
You should persist. The game was a huge deal for mental health and bringing awareness to it. What bothers you, is something some people live with on a daily basis and we should all experience it and get a taste of what some people have to live with. It's not trying to be dramatic or annoying.
The sound design is superb in Senua's Sacrifice, probably my favorite aspect of the game. The implementation of binaural audio creates an incredibly unsettling experience, it really fits the narrative and the overall theme of mental illness. I can see Ninja Theory doing some crazy things with the new 3D audio technology.
Also for sure after the whole talk about the reveal and people thinking it was CGI. They now made sure people know its ingame.Like you said, the emphasis on gameplay here was not necessarily to show you in depth gameplay mechanics, it was to show that this is what the level of graphical fidelity will be while playing the game.
The game is still over a year away, there will be plenty of other more gameplay oriented reveals in the future. I think people should just take what is presented and wait for more.
Expecting state of the art graphics from the richest company in the world is valid though.Microsoft showed Halo Infinite gameplay. It was fantastic from a gameplay perspective, and it played just as it plays today. What did people complain about? The visuals.
Yeah but you and everyone enjoyed this trailer get so riled up that anyone can have any criticism about it. Yeah we get it, you like Xbox games, it looks pretty, but this doesn't make it immune to criticisms. Gameplay trailer with walking and running and you doing nothing is going to get criticisedI have been here long enough to know that people always find something to complain about.
Microsoft showed Halo Infinite gameplay. It was fantastic from a gameplay perspective, and it played just as it plays today. What did people complain about? The visuals.
Microsoft showed off Hellblade II with what they described as a target, all rendered in engine, corroborated by Epic. What did people complain about? The complaint was that this was not what the game would look like when released, and that they wanted a fair representation of what the game would be.
They have shown what little they have of the game running and now people complain about wanting more gameplay from a game that is more than a year out. From a developer that last time shared developer diaries, and have been doing the same with this current game.
It is crazy. But people will be hype about logo's and teaser trailers.
You are moving goalposts.Expecting state of the art graphics from the richest company in the world is valid though.
I don't mind criticism. What I do not like is the bad faith argument. Why do we behave like we do not know this game was presented like this to show it off as a graphical showpiece?Yeah but you and everyone enjoyed this trailer get so riled up that anyone can have any criticism about it. Yeah we get it, you like Xbox games, it looks pretty, but this doesn't make it immune to criticisms. Gameplay trailer with walking and running and you doing nothing is going to get criticised
And there are different games for different tastes. Games shown in different ways to achieve different objectives. To most people, all they saw was a spectacular graphical feat of what might be capable on these systems. That is what people are talking about.This kind of argument comes up all the time (see Star Wars anything).
"People" are not a monolith. Different people will have different tastes, standards, and priorities, and they all have their own voices.
Some people do not get that.And thank god for that. Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice was such a profoundly immersive and impactful experience, and I would hate to see the sequel get shoved into a box to morph into something that it was never designed to be.
Can't wait to see DF analysis soon :)
Even if Hellblade 2 won't have the openness/dynamism of HFW and Ragnarok, the whynotboth argument isn't unreasonable. Visual fidelity of Horizon FW as a crossgen game isn't worlds apart from this and this is running on high end PC. No one wants a tech demo, it needs to be a complete package and there will be other games which will look just as good.I understand your point, but I also feel like MS needed something that was basically a tech-demo for Xbox. They have gameplay sewn up all over the place these days but they were, for such a long time, crying out for something to really show off the tech.
Of course there's the #whynotboth argument, but I'd take a super-linear/limited game with a good story that had eye-bleedingly good graphics on this occasion. We don't know what we're getting yet but I don't think it will have the openness/ dynamism of something like Ragnarok/HorizonFW.
It's not going to be that type of game and the graphics of this gameplay alone far exceed either of those, but maybe at the risk of more limited gameplay.
Either way, all 3 are going to be great.
I'd say the problem some have here is more with the gameplay they did show. We don't really know anything yet and it's best to just remain patient, but it can't be denied that the part that is player controlled in that video is very restrictive, and folks just draw their conclusions from there.They have shown what little they have of the game running and now people complain about wanting more gameplay from a game that is more than a year out. From a developer that last time shared developer diaries, and have been doing the same with this current game.
but her face doesn't look as good as the reveal trailer 😜🙃🤭😏
Definitely the best looking next gen game so far..incredible visuals but their first person survival horror project will be much better looking than this though.Best looking next-gen game shown so far. Incredible.
Good job Ninja Theory.
Also for sure after the whole talk about the reveal and people thinking it was CGI. They now made sure people know its ingame.
If they wouldnt have said "gameplay reveal" we would have again alot of talk about CGI etc
You were talking about the Halo reveal. I even quotet that part of your post. Who is moving the goalposts here?You are moving goalposts.
You might have missed the memo, but the best looking games out today are Flight Sim, Forza Horizon 5.
Hellblade II was the best looking game at TGA, and the best looking game shown coming on console on whatever platform.
I don't mind criticism. What I do not like is the bad faith argument. Why do we behave like we do not know this game was presented like this to show it off as a graphical showpiece?
And there are different games for different tastes. Games shown in different ways to achieve different objectives. To most people, all they saw was a spectacular graphical feat of what might be capable on these systems. That is what people are talking about.
Some people do not get that.
I am saying the just made sure now. Even tho there wasnt much pure gameplay. That everyone now gets its ingame.This doesn't look CG at all. As great as it looks, it is a step back from the last reveal. However, it shouldn't even be compared because the original reveal has been claimed by credible folks to be an offline render.
I just watched the trailer again in 4K on my LG OLED and it goes heavy on the post-processing which maybe is tricking folks into thinking it's CG? Nonetheless, it is fantastic looking and some of the animations is really a step forward.
The trailer is dripping in atmosphere, that's for sure. I wonder how much location variety will be in the final game?
Have you played the original all the way through? Your post reads like you haven't or you've forgotten a lot of key elements of the story and Senua's background.This seems like a kind of game where you would need a good theater set up to play. The visuals, sound design, and scope are all working together to build a really immersive experience. While all of those things are absolutely jawdropping and reason enough to try the game out, I'm not sure how I feel about the game itself. Hellblade's depiction of mental health never sat right with me. I know Ninja Theory had consultants to make sure they got psychosis accurately, but to me it seems like they're using mental health issues as a justification to have really fantastical scenarios and that feels exploitative. "Oh don't worry, it's actually realistic the woman with psychosis imagines fighting giant man-like creatures and joins a demonic cult!"
I don't want this to seem I'm bashing the game just because it's Xbox. As I said, the game looks incredible. I just can't really get behind the "importance" of this when the subject material is used as a means to build a creative entertainment experience.
So what? This game is probably coming out in 2023. How many games coming out in 2023 have gameplay feed shown?I'd say the problem some have here is more with the gameplay they did show. We don't really know anything yet and it's best to just remain patient, but it can't be denied that the part that is player controlled in that video is very restrictive, and folks just draw their conclusions from there.
You are. What were you complaining about some pages back? Oh, I hope that this game is not the same as the original and all that. Missing the point that this game strives to be different.You were talking about the Halo reveal. I even quotet that part of your post. Who is moving the goalposts here?
Damn, looks so good! Really looking forward to seeing more next-gen only games.
Even if Hellblade 2 won't have the openness/dynamism of HFW and Ragnarok, the whynotboth argument isn't unreasonable. Visual fidelity of Horizon FW as a crossgen game isn't worlds apart from this and this is running on high end PC. No one wants a tech demo, it needs to be a complete package and there will be other games which will look just as good.
Yuuuuup
Who is unimpressed with the graphics? Very few people doubt these graphics. The game looks stunning. It is among the very best looking games out there. People doubt the game behind it because they didn't like the first game and this looks like more of the same.
And for a gameplay reveal, there was basically no gameplay here minus "move forward" "aim" and "move backwards" frequently interrupted by cutscenes. This is a complaint you can see for literally every gameplay trailer that offers minimal gameplay. It has nothing to do with "people being salty because this is an Xbox exclusive". This thread is the Halo Infinite wins Player's Voice 2021 at The Game Awards all over again.
Yeah facial detail and lighting is a bit pared down compared to the original (likely offline) render, but it's still mindblowing and the best looking thing we've seen so far this gen. Ball's on Naughty Dog's court I guess (and Guerrilla when they don't have to support PS4) :D
Sony should have held on to these guys back in the day. Microsoft's luck!
To the people who are unimpressed with what has been shown, what is out there that looks better?
There is too much sodium chloride in this thread.
It's a game, of course people will speculate about the gameplay. And the shown segment wasn't great to highlight the gameplay. It was a graphical showcase with little to no gameplay. There are better ways to do a gameplay reveal.So what? This game is probably coming out in 2023. How many games coming out in 2023 have gameplay feed shown?
You are. What were you complaining about some pages back? Oh, I hope that this game is not the same as the original and all that. Missing the point that this game strives to be different.
My Halo reference was to show how people always find something to complain about. If you show gameplay, they will nitpick graphics. If you show something great graphically, they will complain about something else......in this case, it is gameplay or Senua's face. If it is pointed out that this is graphically solid, some will complain about gameplay............always something.
Not really, you can see everything you need to see. The game is fine, graphically, and for a game which is being created by a "AA" team meaning that NT doesn't have 100s of artists working on this one.The aggressive depth of field, film grain, and chromatic aberration make it kind of difficult to make out details.
Lol, so what? You're here talking about how "there is too much sodium chloride in this thread" and asking why some seem to be unimpressed. There's you answer. I'm not against you or one of those people, and you don't need to convince me about anything. I'm sure the game will be absolutely great.So what? This game is probably coming out in 2023. How many games coming out in 2023 have gameplay feed shown?
Okay. It looks really good and definitely better than cross gen games, but considering how good Horizon FW also looks there's nothing here or "worlds apart" graphically that would justify Hellblade 2 being a tech demo type of experience, which was the whole point here if you even read the post I was replying to.It's about a generation apart. Most of the current gen only footage that are pushing visuals make the best of cross gen look cross gen.
Her model was realtime all along. Epic among others confirmed this for the first trailer from 2020.Yeah facial detail and lighting is a bit pared down compared to the original (likely offline) render, but it's still mindblowing and the best looking thing we've seen so far this gen