This mod is the bestI hope they change it, it's quite boring. I personally really like this modded outfit, it's the outfit she has from Final fight Street wise and fits her well.
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Should/Will a Street Fighter 6 do away with Cammy's gratuitous ass shots?
- Thread starter MajulaDream
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Cammy can keep the camel toe if Capcom gives the gays something in return to make it even.
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I've long-since become accustomed to how weird men are when it comes to what they feel a need to brag about or look "cool" for not caring about lol.
When you say a female character's ass is iconic design and are protective of it even though the story of the character isn't consistent with the design, you're so close to understanding one of the prevalent problems of fighting games.
Men and women are sexualized in different ways in real world too. A woman can be sexualized by simply being born with some extra bum flesh and putting on regular gym pants. A man is usually sexualized by having a tight T-shirt while being fit, with big pecs and maybe biceps, a 6 pack etc. It's almost always related to muscles and looking dangerous somehow. Even male beauty is usually about looking intense and a bit dangerous in some way. Intense eyes, stubble, tattoos, alpha male confidence etc. It's sickening but that's how it is and SF are going for these stereotypes like nobody else.
They have a very limited perception of what their audience is
Mean while mortal kombat said fuck those people and again it is litterally the most popular non smash fighting game in existance at this current moment
The thing with cammy is....her sex appeal is not something that is part of her personality at all. Its tacked on, and in her canonical case, it's also creepier in context.
She is the most straight laced, most conservative and steadfast and milquetoast of all the cast besides Guile and Ryu.
Unlike a character like Juri or Poison, her method of dress kind of makes no sense because Cammy is not flirty, or uses sex appeal in any way shape or form. She's a soldier/former assassin. (and a clone of bison). The only reason she has worn her outfit was because Bison had a thing for dressing up his all female harem of mind controlled psycho soldiers in skintight thong leotards because, thats his thing. (Also Cammy and Decapre are female bodied clones of himself that he was gonna transfer his mind into...but that's another can of worms)
In her SF3 ending she was developing her own personality somewhat.
And she gets that outfit again in SFV
Albeit, without pants...(and I must scream)
Which they actually addressed (or at least designed better) in her school uniform costume
Her personality doesn't even acknowledge her own sex appeal, so to emphasize it so much as being "part of her character" makes it even worse. She was a doll created by a psychotic evil despot.
Her squad delta red was given similar goofy and revealing outfits to fit her aesthetic for some reason, but it's just as stupid seeing the rest of the team running around in them.
So the ass thing. Its nothing more than a relic of classic SF2. Cammy is body positive but not an exhibitionist.
(Yes I know I have an R Mika avatar) R Mika Classic costume is so fucking abysmal, but everything about her other than her costume is fantastic.
She is the most straight laced, most conservative and steadfast and milquetoast of all the cast besides Guile and Ryu.
Unlike a character like Juri or Poison, her method of dress kind of makes no sense because Cammy is not flirty, or uses sex appeal in any way shape or form. She's a soldier/former assassin. (and a clone of bison). The only reason she has worn her outfit was because Bison had a thing for dressing up his all female harem of mind controlled psycho soldiers in skintight thong leotards because, thats his thing. (Also Cammy and Decapre are female bodied clones of himself that he was gonna transfer his mind into...but that's another can of worms)
In her SF3 ending she was developing her own personality somewhat.
And she gets that outfit again in SFV
Albeit, without pants...(and I must scream)
Which they actually addressed (or at least designed better) in her school uniform costume
Her personality doesn't even acknowledge her own sex appeal, so to emphasize it so much as being "part of her character" makes it even worse. She was a doll created by a psychotic evil despot.
Her squad delta red was given similar goofy and revealing outfits to fit her aesthetic for some reason, but it's just as stupid seeing the rest of the team running around in them.
So the ass thing. Its nothing more than a relic of classic SF2. Cammy is body positive but not an exhibitionist.
(Yes I know I have an R Mika avatar) R Mika Classic costume is so fucking abysmal, but everything about her other than her costume is fantastic.
That Cammy victory pose gif on the 2nd page is WILD. Never really noticed how they designed the pose to literally frame her butt and even guide the eye there through her hair and arms.
I need this mod. I do wish they used a more saturated green for the pants tho.
I hope they change it, it's quite boring. I personally really like this modded outfit, it's the outfit she has from Final fight Street wise and fits her well.
I need this mod. I do wish they used a more saturated green for the pants tho.
This is irking me bad man.
THEY LITERALLY REDESIGNED A HANDFUL OF MEN CHARACTERS!
Birdie got a redesign, Ken got a redesign, Cody got a redesign, Guile got a redesign, Dhalsim got a redesign, and Sagat even got one! If these guys can get new fresh designs whether good, bad, or just okay, why in the Hell can't the women cast get cool new designs to fit that trend??
I am so sick and tired of people using their fucking horniness as justification sometimes dude! You're horny! Cool! Whatever! I don't care, man! Maybe I just wanna see cool women characters with awesome designs?? I mean Hell, give me Mitsuko the Boar from Bloody Roar! Something!
THEY LITERALLY REDESIGNED A HANDFUL OF MEN CHARACTERS!
Birdie got a redesign, Ken got a redesign, Cody got a redesign, Guile got a redesign, Dhalsim got a redesign, and Sagat even got one! If these guys can get new fresh designs whether good, bad, or just okay, why in the Hell can't the women cast get cool new designs to fit that trend??
I am so sick and tired of people using their fucking horniness as justification sometimes dude! You're horny! Cool! Whatever! I don't care, man! Maybe I just wanna see cool women characters with awesome designs?? I mean Hell, give me Mitsuko the Boar from Bloody Roar! Something!
Right? People want to divorce all of this from real world actions and consequences.
I think MK 11 has the best character designs/costumes in any modern fighting game. It's pretty commendable given how awful some of the costumes were in the past few titles.
Exactly this, and this is why "just make the men sexy" is not just an inappropriate response but an actively harmful one. Men are not the ones having the issues in this industry, and in this scene.
MK really gets a 'most improved' award in design. It's incredible
Hell you only have to compare 9-11 to see a jump in light years.
I think MK 11 has the best character designs/costumes in any modern fighting game. It's pretty commendable given how awful some of the costumes were in the past few titles.
*chef's kiss* Gorgeous.
And a pox upon any y'all who don't find this sexy still; you've probably had your head buried in porn 8 days a week.
That poll, smh...people are pretty trash.
Iconic ass shots? Seriously? It won't change the core gameplay one bit but will make fighting game players look a bit less like creeps.
Fighting games really need a kick in the ass to bring them up to modern standards of decency.
Iconic ass shots? Seriously? It won't change the core gameplay one bit but will make fighting game players look a bit less like creeps.
Fighting games really need a kick in the ass to bring them up to modern standards of decency.
It depends on har far it's pushed, and why. No dodging here, I think the female body is beautiful in all variations, if anything I want more plus size characters applifying the female form even more because everyone is slim now (SF isn't so bad though).
BUT....
Why does so many female characters including Cammy fight in some kind of thong or bathing suit?? There is probably some bs reason stated somewhere but to me it makes zero sense and imo it isn't sexy either, it's just strange and simply a reason to show off their bodies more. They could at least try to make things make sense by giving all characters, men too, bathing suits only if they fight on a sunny beach or something.
Honestly if they go with a more realstic artstyle ala DMC5 and recent RE Games then i 100% think they are going to do that
That would be Tekken, by any metric.
Like, you seem to know enough about the game to know that the guys got redesigned, but you ignored the fact that most of the women did too. Ibuki, Sakura, Karin, Juri, and to an extent poison all got redesigned. You can be mad at the game but you don't have to misrepresent it as something it isn't. That irks me bad.
If you want to see cool women characters with awesome designs, why not the new, relatively non horny characters in SFV like Menat, Kolin, Falke, Lucia (I hate her socks though) or out there non-binary bodysuit nut Seth? Having 5 completely new, non horny woman characters is a lot more than most games can say for themselves.
Cammy and Chun were probably left alone in SFV because their designs are, for better in the case of chun li and for worse in the cammy, iconic. I would hope sf6 changes.
Having non identikit playboy model bodies and getting rid of stupid one piece swimsuits was a big step up, but I wish they'd toy with some new silhouettes. They seem to have traded everyone wears a one piece and high heels for everyone wears robes, shoulderpads and high heels. I wish mortal kombat would try for more unique designs and builds for their characters, I know they can't have the cartoony variety in size and shape between people that anime/cartoony games like SF and Guilty Gear have, but they could at least try something with the costumes.I think MK 11 has the best character designs/costumes in any modern fighting game. It's pretty commendable given how awful some of the costumes were in the past few titles.
Like do you really think these designs will stand the test of time for these characters the way chun li's SF2 dress has?
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Yeah, but there's a lot of customization items in MK 11, so I think that makes up for it imo
I don't consider throwing bunches of player customization crap to be good design the way a truly iconic character design can be. Ryu wouldn't be "better" if I could put sick ass glowing dragon skull shoulder pads on him.
And pretty sure you can't player customize out the tacky high heels in MK11. the only character with shoes like that in sfv is poison....
Just to quote and underline this part if any developer from Capcom ever read these. Fuck those people. Inclusiveness sells more.
Not at all. Considering MK sells more than everything not named smash bros. Unless you are counting overall series sales then you may be technically accurate yes. But its not reflective of current buying trends which is what i'm talking about
Its wild there's just a literal example. There's usually like caveats or whatever. Nope. They litterally had no reason to switch it up besides " hey this might look better and appeal to more people" and lost nothing
As someone that plays games, not sells them I don't care about sales but active player count. Tekken is regularly at 2-3 times MK11s player count on steam. Even SFV outpaces MK11 in players.
It's also tenous to link the designs to high sales, seeing as MK still sold buckets when it looked like trashy garbage, i think you could also argue MK11's high sales are due to it's brutal, disgusting, misanthropic violence.
I could go either way. I have been looking at this design since I was a child so I never saw it as "sexy" or "lewd". She just looks like someone that would be part of a G.I. Joe squad. But I wouldn't mind if they gave her a design with some pants. Jill Valentine has 3 iconic looks, why not Cammy? Even Chun Li has her Alpha look.
Since this is a topic, what's the consensus with Cammy's outfit vs Zangief's?
Since this is a topic, what's the consensus with Cammy's outfit vs Zangief's?
As a straight white male that mains Cammy, I think a costume change is in order, but her classic look can be an option. However, I think Cammy's muscular design is rad as hell, not even in a sexual way, but in a kickass way, so I believe that should be kept. I think her victory pose in SFV is befitting such a badass (she also talks trash in her own way) and should be kept. SFV was a tiny step in the right direction for that pose, as she no longer turns and winks at the camera or whatever. Maybe have her do the pose, but face another direction. Finally, whatever the change to the default costume, I think her silhouette should be maintained, since she has her two iconic specials "spiral arrow" and "cannon spike", she should resemble an arrow or spike when she does them. The baggy pants outfit, while cool, does not seem very arrow-like.
If anything, what bothered me most (since her classic look is so ingrained) was how, in some of her alternate costumes, Capcom decided to make her breasts larger than in other costumes. Like with her Jill costume, why are her breasts so much bigger? It's off-putting.
If anything, what bothered me most (since her classic look is so ingrained) was how, in some of her alternate costumes, Capcom decided to make her breasts larger than in other costumes. Like with her Jill costume, why are her breasts so much bigger? It's off-putting.
I mean I get that but the sales part keeps it existing. And incentivizes the people with the purse strings to give more money to the project
Nah because that 1, completely ignores the positive reception not just the changes in design to be less trashy, but also just visual fidelity changes that have been made.
2 Discounts the work that all the artists put in to make it that way
3 implies that the violence isn't apart of its visual design.
And 4 implies that the people playing these games didn't actually care about changes in aesthetics. They did, they just liked it. They liked it and kept buying it, which is very key. And sales wise it seems as though the change in aesthetics opened themselves up to new audiences. MK isn't perfect there are characterization issues out the wazoo. But its kind of dismissive of a myriad of things to go " Mk just sell good because violence" where there are people who praise, cosplay these characters , and buy these games because they enjoy the visuals. It doesn't help your argument.
Agreed. Its ironic to take MK as good example when the violence on display is so disgusting.
Nothing you said makes sense
What do changing the visual design of the women to be better, give them more important roles in the story, lore and setting have to do with. Katana being able to slice scorpion in half.
What?
Yeah but what's the deal with the default costume? It's quite literally a green bathing suit. We're used to it and some think it's iconic etc but that doesn't mean that it isn't strange. Imagine if all the men had speedoes as their default costume.
To be fair I don't think just looking at Steams numbers is fair either. MK is super popular on console. Who knows how many are playing per platform there.
On PS4 gamestat tracks new accounts that have booted up the game (by pulling data from trophy lists)
You can see there, that MK looks like it's way more popular than Tekken 7. I think MK has a far bigger casual audience than any other fighter, a lot of folks just chilling and playing its wealth of singleplayer content.
I'm not sure how reliable that data is though. Only the 'new players' is worth anything really because it's the only figure that has the same metric (whether the trophy lists appears on your profile only requires that you boot the game up). Returning players is determined by whether you've earned a trophy, which will vary based on how easy it is to earn trophies in any one game. Nevertheless, the new player total aligns with what I see from PS communities and such, MK always seems bigger than Tekken.
I see that your banned but a new pants default doesn't erase said "nice finely crafted ass". Cammy can still have the same body shape and actually dress the part of a badass soldier. Maybe with a suit similar to what Solid Snake uses.
She is fine as she is, they can add a costume like that awesome mod she got on the PC version with the cammo pants though.
I don't see men being sexualized like that in the real world, being attracted to males, knowing a lot of people that also are, I don't really see these trends. The problem is the men in SF are being "sexualized" by straight guys. And to be honest, they are not trying, really.
You can clearly see that not only in costumes but also in male intros vs female intros and overall cinematics, the male characters are made to look intimidating and powerful, the female characters are obviously made to look cute or attractive. Cammy's intro was even changed before release due to how heavily questioned its intents were, even though you can see the same intent in quite some other female intros in the game.
With the summer/bikini costumes it is made even clearer who the sexualization in the game is aimed at.
No one I know, women or gay guys, see those exhagerated SFIV-like male muscles as attractive, they look like some motherfucking yetis.
I mean, Nash, Rashid, Ed, Ryu, Cody, they're cute, but those bodies are not gonna fly.
The list of characters with skimpy outfits seems to have grown with SFV. Makes me think they won't be changing anything anytime soon.
Agreed 100%.
But the rest, can't say you're wrong but where I live (Sweden) I see the hunky fit muscular guys everywhere on every ad for clothes or in music videos etc, always 3 days stubble or full beard and an intense expression, maybe some tattoos etc. Not talking about the Schwarzenegger type seen in SF but fit, gym guys. It's honestly tiresome but cool if you happen to look like that I guess. I don't, I look like Gandalf with a belly lol. Male sexiness is the weirdest thing. Haven't thought about if that look is formed by straight guys though, maybe it is, a mancrush of some kind.