Agreed, but this is more than just a gender thing it's a gender race thing.Yeah I'm fine with this. We need to stop excusing shitty behavior based on what gender you are.
Agreed, but this is more than just a gender thing it's a gender race thing.Yeah I'm fine with this. We need to stop excusing shitty behavior based on what gender you are.
Yeah it's not like you could just make a shirt that says "All Lives Matter" and not expect any backlash.There are also people raised in the South who don't understand porch monkey or coon as racial slurs because of how they're used by people around them. People's personal experience doesn't change how those words have been used on a societal level in the past.
I don't see what the issue is with its removal. Its removal will satisfy those who didn't like it, while everyone else can shrug and move on. Because really, who cares that it's gone? This seems like a win-win to me.
Wrong! This isn't a free speech issue. This is consumer complaints leading to a change of a product by choice on the part of a private company.
No government is preventing you from saying the phrase, no one is stopping you but you can't stop people saying they have a problem with it either and that's what this is.
All about Pyjamas.
If this isn't blatant trolling, I don't know what is.
At the same stage, was pretty funny, not gonna lie
In other words, never? There is nothing stopping a sexist from making terminology their own thing. There is nothing stopping racists, homophobes, xenophobes, etc from accomplishing the same thing. This phrase did not carry this meaning at its inception, so why should sexists be allowed to take ownership over its use?
Bingo.Some shitheads co-opted it, so it means something awful now and has to go. Don't like it? Should have done something about it being co-opted.
What really makes me hate it is that it defines boys as being boys. This is so narrow and offensive in of itself. Why does a boy have to be a boy?
What do you mean?Agreed, but this is more than just a gender thing it's a gender race thing.
I don't think it's just been co-opted. I think the sentence itself is the issue from the beginning. It implies troublemaking is excused because of the sex of the person. Special treatment for boys. Now think about how most people would percieve a shirt that said girls will be girls. Would it conjure the same images boys will be boys does? No.
It's like you have never seen kids pyjamas before or kids clothes in general. They are gendered as fuck.Shocked at how many people here think this is PC gone too far. As the father of two young boys I do my best to squash any gender stereotypes. They know not to hit anyone, not just "don't hit girls". They know both boys and girls can do shitty things and be held responsible for their actions. They also know that girls can be just as rough as boys and as sweet.
If you want a discussion you need to be ready for other opinions.
It's just the way it works man, whether you like it or not.
It you can't handle that ...
Some shitheads co-opted it, so it means something awful now and has to go. Don't like it? Should have done something about it being co-opted.
It's like you have never seen kids pyjamas before or kids clothes in general. They are gendered as fuck.
"Daddy's little princess"
"Bows make everything better"
Because a boy is a boy? I swear some of you are Russian bots spouting nonsense to push people to the right.What really makes me hate it is that it defines boys as being boys. This is so narrow and offensive in of itself. Why does a boy have to be a boy?
Because a boy is a boy? I swear some of you are Russian bots spouting nonsense to push people to the right.
I'd argue it's always been a shitty statement. It's like saying boys are just going to be bad, what are you going to do? While at the same time the expectations for girls are different. It got co opted because the attitude it got co opted for is the same one that really started the statement in the first place. It never meant kids will be kids or it would have been phrased as such. It is specifically saying the male gender is more rambunctious and what are you going to do cause that is the way they are.
Because a boy is a boy? I swear some of you are Russian bots spouting nonsense to push people to the right.
That doesn't mean he can't be taught to be nice to others or how to play nicely. Which is what the person you responded to was trying to imply. It almost seems like you are purposely ignoring the implication to make this reply.
That doesn't mean he can't be taught to be nice to others or how to play nicely. Which is what the person you responded to was trying to imply. It almost seems like you are purposely ignoring the implication to make this reply.
Thank you for your entertaining posts. You seem to be a great person and not at all posting in bad faith or any kind of shit posting. Thank you for your bravery.
Boys will be boys is usually an excuse to let white boys get away with shitty behavior and/or illegal acts.
Lol what?Boys will be boys is usually an excuse to let white boys get away with shitty behavior and/or illegal acts.
I think this story specifically is a little silly.
However, I have to ask: is "PC culture" really the "absolute worst?"
You're sure there aren't many other worse things?
You're the worst poster ITT. Take your bad faith dishonesty elsewhere, and please don't PM me again.
Lol what?
I'm sorry but boys will be boys is used to describe boys of any color being ....boys. Doing what boys do, coming in the house covered in mud and grass stains after rough housing with friends and doing the antics that little boys do. Boys have fun when they are young. That's not something limited to little white boys.
A boy picks his nose and eats a booger it's boys being boys. Any color, race, nationality whatever.
Lol what?
I'm sorry but boys will be boys is used to describe boys of any color being ....boys. Doing what boys do, coming in the house covered in mud and grass stains after rough housing with friends and doing the antics that little boys do. Boys have fun when they are young. That's not something limited to little white boys.
A boy picks his nose and eats a booger it's boys being boys. Any color, race, nationality whatever.
I have a two year old. When I'm at kids parties and at the park, you bet your ass "boys will be boys" and the girls are a little different. Girls are usually calmer, more civilised. Boys have "fits of testosterone" and act out a lot more. And there's nothing you can do about it. It's nature.
Because a boy is a boy? I swear some of you are Russian bots spouting nonsense to push people to the right.
Then go with kids will be kids. Boys will be boys, as it's been pointed out already, and with proof of such, has been used to excuse college age and older white males from rape and other awful acts. Sorry, but the phrase has a much much darker and shittier connotation to it than it used to. And for the record, as a teacher, girls can do some pretty crazy, stupid shit when they're young. Why? Because they're fucking children, hence kids will be kids.
The original use of the phrase was to capture this.I'm fine with the phrase for small children (age 12 and under or so). Boys will run around and shout and get dirty and generally be little bastards. In those cases, boys will be boys. .
Kids will be kids just doesn't have the same ring to it sorry.Then go with kids will be kids. Boys will be boys, as it's been pointed out already, and with proof of such, has been used to excuse college age and older white males from rape and other awful acts. Sorry, but the phrase has a much much darker and shittier connotation to it than it used to. And for the record, as a teacher, girls can do some pretty crazy, stupid shit when they're young. Why? Because they're fucking children, hence kids will be kids.
Now see, this just shows that even looking at the phrase in a 100% innocent light, it's still a stupid and possibly hurtful phrase. Girls like doing all of those things too but I know many women who were kept from "rough-housing" or getting dirty because that was seen as something a little girl shouldn't do.Lol what?
I'm sorry but boys will be boys is used to describe boys of any color being ....boys. Doing what boys do, coming in the house covered in mud and grass stains after rough housing with friends and doing the antics that little boys do. Boys have fun when they are young. That's not something limited to little white boys.
A boy picks his nose and eats a booger it's boys being boys. Any color, race, nationality whatever.
ThisSome shitheads co-opted it, so it means something awful now and has to go. Don't like it? Should have done something about it being co-opted.
Nope, white boys get the benefit of the doubt, minorities do not.I'm sorry but boys will be boys is used to describe boys of any color being ....boys. Doing what boys do, coming in the house covered in mud and grass stains after rough housing with friends and doing the antics that little boys do. Boys have fun when they are young. That's not something limited to little white boys.
And you need to be ready for people to think your opinion is shit and to dismiss it entirely, that is also how discussion works.If you want a discussion you need to be ready for other opinions.
People who choose to spare a moment of their time for the benefit of societyI don't mean to demean anyone but who takes time of out their day to go and complain about this shit
Lol what?
I'm sorry but boys will be boys is used to describe boys of any color being ....boys. Doing what boys do, coming in the house covered in mud and grass stains after rough housing with friends and doing the antics that little boys do. Boys have fun when they are young. That's not something limited to little white boys.
A boy picks his nose and eats a booger it's boys being boys. Any color, race, nationality whatever.
What if a boy wants to play with makeup? They don't get "boys will be boys" in that situation. Or if a girl wants to play a sport, they don't get "girls will be girls". In both situations there is inherent harm due to narrow defined gender roles that make people outside those roles feel like shit, and you're arguing in favor of that.When little girls get into their mothers closet and come out wearinf her clothes and make up smeared on them like a clown and everyone goes "aww how cute girls will be girls@
What is it, a fucking corporate slogan? Doesn't have the right ring for what?Kids will be kids just doesn't have the same ring to it sorry.