So I rewatched Batman Returns for the first time in 20 years and umm it's the best Batman movie??
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First Batman pretty much nailed it. Probably would have been even better without a love interest and just gone the John Wick style of pure revenge but damsel in distress trope I guess. It was useful in showing Waynes conflicted dual personalities.
I really like Returns but went a bit too ham on the Burton weirdness. Elfman and Catwoman really saves the whole movie. In fact, Pheiffer steals the show.
Burton movies are what defines Batman for me.
I really like Returns but went a bit too ham on the Burton weirdness. Elfman and Catwoman really saves the whole movie. In fact, Pheiffer steals the show.
Burton movies are what defines Batman for me.
As far as live-action movies go, it's my second-favorite after the Dark Knight. But if I include the animated ones too, Mask of the Phantasm and Return of the Joker would be above it. Possibly Lego Batman as well.
Eeh.. I don't think it is any better than the Batman & Robin movie lol
Also, it's always night and Gotham apparently has only one park.
Also, it's always night and Gotham apparently has only one park.
I love everything with Bruce and Selina. And I liked Shreck.
Penguin shit completely sucked though. Just grotesque and annoying, not compelling.
Great production design and score though.
Penguin shit completely sucked though. Just grotesque and annoying, not compelling.
Great production design and score though.
i rewatched it a few years ago and it's an absolutely awful film. just so cheesy and campy. which is hilarious in hindsight because when forever hit, people were up in arms at it not being as dark as B89 and Returns
Of the "original" set of 4 movies, Returns and Forever are my favorites. I never cared for 89 and B&R can die in hellfire. Returns is slightly less campy than 89, but it has the benefit of not having Jack Nicholson playing Jack Nicholson with clown makeup on. It also has Michelle Pfeiffer in a literal catsuit and Danny Devito looking like Humpty Dumpty. And the OTHER added bonus of goddamned Christopher Walken.
Couldn't ask for a better real world interpretation of Gotham City. I also really appreciate that Batman is fighting a gang of circus themed criminals. The entire premise is inherently ridiculous. Batman should be fighting gangs that dress up like sea creatures or the founding fathers or whatever, not just generic dudes in tactical gear.
I don't think ERA is ready for the truth. (Phantasm is arguable)
Was thinking the exact same thing, especially the spoiler text. So far, I feel like the best live action Batman movies have really been Joker, Penguin, and Scarecrow movies.
Best Batman movies for me are Justice League: War, Under the Red Hood, Mask of the Phantasm, Return of the Joker, and Bad Blood.
The shittiness of Penguin simultaneously makes more sense and is much harder to watch in a post-Trump era.
But really, can it be the best Batman movie when it doesn't have the greatest line in the franchise?
But really, can it be the best Batman movie when it doesn't have the greatest line in the franchise?
All of the "this isn't Batman" posts are just as dumb as the "this isn't X-Men" posts that pop up in the Fox film threads.
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It's incredible. Best visuals and atmosphere of a Batman film. And Michelle Pfeiffer and Danny DeVito were absolutely perfect in their roles.
I wouldn't say it's the best personally, but I'd rank them as such:
1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Returns
3. Batman Begins
4. The Dark Knight Rises
5. Batman
6. Batman Forever
7. Batman & Robin
I wouldn't say it's the best personally, but I'd rank them as such:
1. The Dark Knight
2. Batman Returns
3. Batman Begins
4. The Dark Knight Rises
5. Batman
6. Batman Forever
7. Batman & Robin
You can see the influence in the Animated show
And that's why it was Burton's last Batman. Too dark for WB
I hated this movie the first time I saw it. I haven't seen it since. Maybe I should give it another try?
This pussy-footing right here is what has produced every Batman atrocity out of the studio, from the Schumacher films to "pretty sure that's bleeding" Justice League Batman.
Then again, plenty of people want to go back to Adam West answering the Big Red Phone. No Batman is Everyone's Batman, I guess.
Batman Returns, however, remains the only successful love story out of all his cinematic efforts.
One of my main disappointments in The Dark Knight Rises was the complete lack of a compelling relationship between Bruce and Selena, compared.
This is something only Batman Returns got right. Even the Animated Series didn't create a relationship where you believe Bruce is ever at all... tempted by Selena, much less in such a way that challenges him. Animated Batman honestly went through that character arc in Mask of the Phantasm, with a whole different love interest.
Fun fact: Mask of the Phantasm and Batman Return have nearly the same basic stories. It's why people love the former. š
Catwoman is the best thing about it, yet Penguin completely counteracts her awesomeness. Liked the previous film just slightly more, although I have never cared for Jack Nicholson's interpretation of Joker, and this has been since release. Ledger made it even worse by comparison.
Same face I made.
"It's a good movie/game, but it's not really a (insert IP) movie/game" fans are the WORST.
Love this movie.
Setting it during Christmas was a great idea, such a great aesthetic and really added to it IMO.
The SNES games is awesome too.
Setting it during Christmas was a great idea, such a great aesthetic and really added to it IMO.
The SNES games is awesome too.
My biggest gripe. Who transports kitty litter in an uncovered truck?! Think about the slightest chance of rain!
Great movie and definitely one of the best. DeVito fully commits to Penguin and Pfeiffer is great as Catwoman. She captures that mood of a cat that can switch from endearing to wicked in a snap.
Great movie and definitely one of the best. DeVito fully commits to Penguin and Pfeiffer is great as Catwoman. She captures that mood of a cat that can switch from endearing to wicked in a snap.
Gotham deserves some love in this respect. The Bruce/Selina dynamic was the best part of that show
I remember feeling really bad for Penguin and wanting him to win. And then also being traumatized when he bit that guy's nose off.
It's VERY camp and theatrical and way, way kinkier than my kid-brain could comprehend. I love it though. I think it's really fun to revisit. I wish we could have gotten Williams reprising Dent in place of Max Shrek as originally intended (even though Walkin plays a great villain here) setting up Two-Face for a third and final Burton Batman. I'd also have liked to have seen the Robin subplot stay intact to give Batman more to do and close the loop on the circus elements introduced with Penguin. I can see why people call it more of a Burton movie than a Batman movie but it holds a special place in my heart.
I like returns more than the Dark Knight.
I think returns is more re-watchable compared to the Nolan films.
I think returns is more re-watchable compared to the Nolan films.
It's an awesome movie.
I go back and forth between Returns and '89 as my favorite Bat-flick.
I remember my mom picking me up from an indoor baseball camp, it was storming, and we went to go see Returns. I was so pumped. Can't even imagine what she thought of all the crazy kink in that movie. š
I go back and forth between Returns and '89 as my favorite Bat-flick.
I remember my mom picking me up from an indoor baseball camp, it was storming, and we went to go see Returns. I was so pumped. Can't even imagine what she thought of all the crazy kink in that movie. š