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What exactly do they want from a Batman movie if Begins isn't cutting it?
So I rewatched Batman Returns for the first time in 20 years and umm it's the best Batman movie??
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What exactly do they want from a Batman movie if Begins isn't cutting it?
The most fascinating game adaptation is really the little known DOS version, which is more of a point and click adventure game (with some awkward action scenes thrown in) that really leans into the detective aspect of the character. It has an interesting structure where you plan and manage stuff from the batcave, choose a limited amount of activities to do per each ingame day, and after a set amount of days the game ends with numerous possible endings. There's one standard good ending, one where Penguin wins, one where Penguin loses but gets his revenge, etc.
I think it was just about the only Batman game imaginative enough to do something else than bog standard action decades before we got the Telltale game.
The most fascinating game adaptation is really the little known DOS version, which is more of a point and click adventure game (with some awkward action scenes thrown in) that really leans into the detective aspect of the character. It has an interesting structure where you plan and manage stuff from the batcave, choose a limited amount of activities to do per each ingame day, and after a set amount of days the game ends with numerous possible endings. There's one standard good ending, one where Penguin wins, one where Penguin loses but gets his revenge, etc.
I think it was just about the only Batman game imaginative enough to do something else than bog standard action decades before we got the Telltale game.
Holy shit, I had no idea this even existed lol. So cool.
Probably my favorite live action Batman movie right there with Begins for separate reasons.
Returns is visually one of my all time favorite movies.
Returns is visually one of my all time favorite movies.
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people always say this about Jack Nicholson Performanice and its never true. Jack has definitely played eccentric characters, but not to the extent of his joker. I wonder what those who say that think the joker should be.
Nah, they're right. Usually I'd be the one banging this drum, but I just can't be bothered anymore. It's clear there's never going to be a good live action Batman movie.
Are we up to the part of the thread where people think Batman should just kill all his villains yet?
The Burton movies are like the only time im okay with Batman killing,
Keaton Batman isn't supposed to be the center of a DC Universe or even our canon Batman.
He's clearly an Elseworlds Batman that as fucked up as his villains.
While Snyder and WB wanted their's both ways Burton went as far as he wanted but had fun with it so we didn't end up with awful MurderFleck.
Keaton Batman isn't supposed to be the center of a DC Universe or even our canon Batman.
He's clearly an Elseworlds Batman that as fucked up as his villains.
While Snyder and WB wanted their's both ways Burton went as far as he wanted but had fun with it so we didn't end up with awful MurderFleck.
In this case it's pretty right, I think. I've seen plenty of movies where he's doing a great job of not being Nicholson, but his Joker was never convincing, to me. DeNiro and Pacino, for all their worth and how much I like them, seem to only ever really play themselves and it's fine.
I'm not going to parrot Heath Ledger's or Mark Hamill's Jokers because they have a reputation for a reason, but I think the way the character was written for 89 has more to do with it than Nicholson himself, though his casting/contract demands suggest otherwise. I'm kind of down on Joker, most of the time, due to overexposure (and Batman, as well, if I'm being honest) but just calling him eccentric is the lowest of bars, I think, even for the time. My thought was always that with Burton using TDKR and TKJ as inspiration/ideas led to him considering Nicholson more than he should have.
Lego Batman and Phantasm are my 1-2 of the best Batman movies, actually. Good call!
The fact that 33-year old Penguin is literally baby jesus from hell is what gets me.
But yes, it is absolutely the better one after Batman 1966 and before Batman Begins. The 1966 version is just too good though. Grey Ghost 4 Life.
But yes, it is absolutely the better one after Batman 1966 and before Batman Begins. The 1966 version is just too good though. Grey Ghost 4 Life.
I say it's a great kids movie. It's gross and scary enough to give them a thrill, and past the catsuit, basically all of the sex flies overhead (or it did for me at least) to be rediscovered later in life.
Like, I remembered the Penguin sending his penguins off to kill people, but now that I know what "erogenous zones" are, that speech is amazing.
Like, I remembered the Penguin sending his penguins off to kill people, but now that I know what "erogenous zones" are, that speech is amazing.
Debatable if it's the best Batman movie, but I think it's up there. It's a film that really plays to Burton's strengths and fully embraces his lonely freak aesthetic. I think it's the only Batman film that is actually really sad, as each of the main 3 (Batman, Catwomen, and Penguin) are portrayed as lonely outcasts who are unable to really function in society and the movie ends on kind of a downer note.
That shot of Keaton just sitting in a dark room waiting for the bat signal always struck me. This is a Bruce Wayne who has completely isolated himself and spends his evenings just waiting to become batman rather than live any kind of fulfilling life of his own. It just strikes me as one of the more depressing interpretations of the character.
That shot of Keaton just sitting in a dark room waiting for the bat signal always struck me. This is a Bruce Wayne who has completely isolated himself and spends his evenings just waiting to become batman rather than live any kind of fulfilling life of his own. It just strikes me as one of the more depressing interpretations of the character.
beautifully said! i feel it really deepens the emotional lives of the characters in a really fascinating way. different responses to the same kinds of stressors.
People who say this really think they're being clever when in reality they missed the entire point of the character.
I was going to post some pics and clips of just how visually compelling it is. It's a shame no live-action Batman movie has looked THIS good since.Probably my favorite live action Batman movie right there with Begins for separate reasons.
Returns is visually one of my all time favorite movies.
I assure you, only the parents were mortified. I was seven or eight when I saw this in theaters and all of that shit flew over my head.
It's aged wonderfully and grown on me as time went by. I definitely wasn't ready for it when I was a teenager, Devito's penguin was so much the opposite of expectations.
One thing I do really remember loving from the first time that I saw it was how Catwoman's costume slowly deconstructs throughout the movie (as I assume to be a reflection of her 9 lives). It's a great touch and most superhero films wouldn't have done it.
One thing I do really remember loving from the first time that I saw it was how Catwoman's costume slowly deconstructs throughout the movie (as I assume to be a reflection of her 9 lives). It's a great touch and most superhero films wouldn't have done it.
His best films are the ones that begins with the letters 'B' and 'E':
- Beetlejuice
- Batman
- Batman Returns
- Big Fish
- Ed Wood
- Edwards Scissorhands
I love Batman Returns, and rewatching it before last Christmas on a lightly snowy day really drew me into the whole experience — everybody just gave it their all, and Burton manages to balance the dark, gothic atmosphere with campy humour, oddly sexual moments and fantastical characters so very well.
It is Elfman's best score too.
glad to see appreciation for this scene! for whatever reason, it's my favorite scene in the movie. can't really explain why. just dripping with (b)atmosphere.
Batman Returns is my favorite Batman movie. It's not 100% faithful to the source, obviously, but It feels like a film adaptation of an elseworlds batman graphic novel that doesn't exist.
I watch it around Christmas every year.
This is one I posted but the source wouldn't load and I couldn't find it elsewhere.
So good.
That is easily the best Batman and comic book movie of all time but doesn't get enough recognition because its animated.
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I found a miniature one years ago that says "hello there".
Haven't broken the o and t.
Yet.
JK, too scared.
This thread is making me nostalgic for a time when Burton films still looked like Burton films.
More on the topic, Batman Returns is pretty great. Probably the second best Batman film after The Dark Knight. I do appreciate the fact that we have gotten so many distinctly different takes on Batman on film throughout the years.
More on the topic, Batman Returns is pretty great. Probably the second best Batman film after The Dark Knight. I do appreciate the fact that we have gotten so many distinctly different takes on Batman on film throughout the years.
B:TAS and by extension the DCAU remain the best interpretation of Batman to this dayThat is easily the best Batman and comic book movie of all time but doesn't get enough recognition because its animated.
