Not only is it not gone, it's on the front page.
Which is just Steam's discoverability efforts coming back to haunt them.
Not only is it not gone, it's on the front page.
What is just as bad if not worse is the amount of positive reviews on the product itself. When I went to report it curiosity got the best of me and I read a few of them and uh.. all I can say is people need more therapy or something.Disgusting to see some people even entertaining the idea of making games about rape. I hope steam does something about it.
Im sure this game is pure trash, but to say that you can't have any depiction of sexual violence in the medium whatsoever is pretty far reaching. Life is strange has rape in it.Is that how you feel about rape games? Do you think it's not possible to define them as gross?
They said rape games, not all games that have rape moments in them. There's a clear distinction between Life Is Strange and a game where you as the player are engaging in the rape.Im sure this game is pure trash, but to say that you can't have any depiction of sexual violence in the medium whatsoever is pretty far reaching. Life is strange has rape in it.
OP's description could go for that game as well, except those characters are underage even.
I think custers revenge like games should be banned, but sexual violence as a theme should absolutely be allowed. We have games about depression, all sorts of highly sensitive subjects, this should be discussable too.
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Exactly. There is a huge difference.They said rape games, not all games that have rape moments in them. There's a clear distinction between Life Is Strange and a game where you as the player are engaging in the rape.
Where did I say you can't have any depiction of sexual violence in the medium whatsoever? Also, what scene in any Life is Strange game shows rape? As far as I remember, it deals with the subject, but it doesn't show it. We're talking about a game here that shows rape and the player is the rapist. Can you see the difference?Im sure this game is pure trash, but to say that you can't have any depiction of sexual violence in the medium whatsoever is pretty far reaching. Life is strange has rape in it.
OP's description could go for that game as well, except those characters are underage even.
I think custers revenge like games should be banned, but sexual violence as a theme should absolutely be allowed. We have games about depression, all sorts of highly sensitive subjects, this should be discussable too.
I wouldn't classify depression in the same category as rape. One is a illness and the other a criminal action.We have games about depression, all sorts of highly sensitive subjects, this should be discussable too.
I wouldn't classify depression in the same category as rape. One is a illness and the other a criminal action.
Im sure this game is pure trash, but to say that you can't have any depiction of sexual violence in the medium whatsoever is pretty far reaching. Life is strange has rape in it.
OP's description could go for that game as well, except those characters are underage even.
I think custers revenge like games should be banned, but sexual violence as a theme should absolutely be allowed. We have games about depression, all sorts of highly sensitive subjects, this should be discussable too.
There's worse out there, too. There's a lot of stuff produced which is essentially just misogyny presented as pornography.remember when illusion made a bunch of games like this like rapelay? that was banned for sale i believe. how times have changed that we have those games on a official storfront now
"Obvious children" isn't a weird boundary IMO.Pretty sure for R18 content they also check the kind of R18 content it has... hence why some VN devs are not allowed or some games have not been allowed. It is just very weirdly implemented with some weird boundaries.
Which games are those?It's really weird that some LGBTQIA+ games have trouble even releasing on Steam while literal rape games don't. Valve needs to get its shit together.
Valve does check every game on Steam, but only to see if it runs. That said, it also means someone at Valve looked at Gay World, ran the application on their PC, and said "that's fine." These are not games whose bad content is hidden beneath 15 hours of gameplay, where it's understandable for Valve to respond after it's been reported.
Steam used to be curated and everyone complained because games wouldn't get put on the service, so they opened it up to everyone. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.If you don't report, they don't manually moderate or check the content, it's dumb but this is how they work at Valve.
All sex games on Steam are like that.
Yeah developers & Users alive were arguing that Steam's curation platform was too stringent and that it was very difficult to release more "Adult" titles onto the platform, so after pushback Valve decided to just stop curating titles and just verify games aren't literal viruses or bitcoin miners.Steam used to be curated and everyone complained because games wouldn't get put on the service, so they opened it up to everyone. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Yeah, that's a notorious troll dev who pumped out an endless supply of bullshit "games" (even before Valve opened up the store to pretty much everything).Was googling to see if I can get more information on the barriers to LGBTQIA+ games being released thing, and ended up running into an article about a homophobic game that was published on Steam. This paragraph jumps out at me:
i think its the same 60 people over and over again
It wasn't just adult titles not being put on the platform; but smaller indie games from legitimate developers or people trying to break into the industry were getting denied. So then they created Steam Greenlight where the community voted on whether they'd play a particular game, and if it got enough votes it was allowed on the platform. Euro Truck Simulator 2 came through Greenlight. Then that still wasn't good enough so they just opened it up to everyone.Yeah developers & Users alive were arguing that Steam's curation platform was too stringent and that it was very difficult to release more "Adult" titles onto the platform, so after pushback Valve decided to just stop curating titles and just verify games aren't literal viruses or bitcoin miners.
Nowadays almost everyone I know has the Adult content filter enabled on steam and no on really sees those games unless you specifically search for them. But from my cursory glance at the adult category on steam the majority of titles seem to be something similar to the game in the OP.
Yeah I didn't remember if it was just random titles being denied post-greenlight or if it was exclusively titles with adult content so I didn't want to mention indies just in case.It wasn't just adult titles not being put on the platform; but smaller indie games from legitimate developers or people trying to break into the industry were getting denied. So then they created Steam Greenlight where the community voted on whether they'd play a particular game, and if it got enough votes it was allowed on the platform. Euro Truck Simulator 2 came through Greenlight. Then that still wasn't good enough so they just opened it up to everyone.
I'd rather it be open to all and they remove games as they come up than a curated store.
You can read a bit about it here:"Obvious children" isn't a weird boundary IMO.
Which games are those?
Because the only things I remember that were straight blocked were games that featured minors ("all characters over the age of 1,000" declarations notwithstanding) or minor-adjacent imagery (like high school settings) with sexual content.
People just looking at porn games isn't much of an issue. Sometimes people look at porn.If you're seeing porn games on the front page it's because you either actively allowed them to be seen, or accidentally opted in to see In R18 content releases
There's nothing of value behind that "adults only" curtain on steam. You're all better off turning on the adult filter.
People just looking at porn games isn't much of an issue. Sometimes people look at porn.
So, I think the cases in that report specifically are again about underage or underage-looking characters with sexual content (even if just textual). That's a huge no-no, and it's true that there's no concrete way to know in advance if your young-looking character art is going to get flagged by somebody at Valve, but... well, that's sort of the chance you take when you decide you're going to make a visual novel with sexual content that includes characters that can be interpreted as children.
So you think rape games are OK because they're in an opt-in category?I have no issues with people looking at porn and porn games. Some folks in here seem confused they're on the front page and think that's the default view or something.
Im sure this game is pure trash, but to say that you can't have any depiction of sexual violence in the medium whatsoever is pretty far reaching. Life is strange has rape in it.
OP's description could go for that game as well, except those characters are underage even.
I think custers revenge like games should be banned, but sexual violence as a theme should absolutely be allowed. We have games about depression, all sorts of highly sensitive subjects, this should be discussable too.
Not all of them. You have cases where Ladykiller in a Bind where it was VERY hard for the developer to get onto Steam. On the other hand, we have cases like The Witcher 3 that never had the same challenge. Like I said, the problem hasn't been fully addressed and nothing that I'm aware of indicates that it will be anytime soon.So, I think the cases in that report specifically are again about underage or underage-looking characters with sexual content (even if just textual). That's a huge no-no, and it's true that there's no concrete way to know in advance if your young-looking character art is going to get flagged by somebody at Valve, but... well, that's sort of the chance you take when you decide you're going to make a visual novel with sexual content that includes characters that can be interpreted as children.
(And of course trying to get non-offending VN content onto Steam before they opened up the store was a real problem, but isn't really relevant anymore.)
So you think rape games are OK because they're in an opt-in category?
Because I think the problem most people have is that this sort of thing is on Steam, not that somebody may have found it on the landing page.
I don't care about hentai games on steam, that's not the point. But even porn site like Pornhub don't allow rape fantasy scene (just type rape in the search bar : 0 result), so why is Steam ok with that ? the game isn't even trying to hide its content, it's in the presentation.
Not all of them. You have cases where Ladykiller in a Bind where it was VERY hard for the developer to get onto Steam. On the other hand, we have cases like The Witcher 3 that never had the same challenge. Like I said, the problem hasn't been fully addressed and nothing that I'm aware of indicates that it will be anytime soon.
Exactly! Valve's inability to communicate has led to many issues, especially for LGBTQIA+ creators who explore intimacy.Ladykiller in a Bind, a game I've played in full, is a really poor example for this -- and the only one named in that article. It wasn't rejected by Valve; the author didn't want to bother with greenlight due to their unclear policies and risk of being removed later. When she was eventually able to talk to a human at valve, they approved it. I'd also add that, at the time, it featured explicit (straight) sex, while Witcher 3 has nudity and only implied sex as you'd see in an R-rated film. That scene was removed after the game was on steam because players were uncomfortable with it (rape, but not like this game where that is the goal or glorified. MC was the victim). The remaining content is more borderline as far as softcore/hardcore. In short, their troubles never had anything to do with the queer story or even the content of the game at all -- just Valve's inability to communicate.
An Uncensored Sex Game's Difficult Journey To Steam
Ladykiller In A Bind—which Heather found to be a bold exploration of sexual experiences and perspectives—is finally coming to Steam on January 9. It’ll be fully uncensored, despite the way Valve usually handles these things. For creator Christine Love, reaching this point wasn’t easy.kotaku.com
steam opened its floodgates many years ago and uses a reactive approach to issues nowadaysI don't care about hentai games on steam, that's not the point. But even porn site like Pornhub don't allow r*** fantasy scene (just type r*** in the search bar : 0 result), so why is Steam ok with that ? the game isn't even trying to hide its content, it's in the presentation.
Agreed.Sensitive subjects should be handled by sensitive people, not edgelords.