Dragon Road Layout in Sky Sanctuary
Sonic Frontiers Gamescom Critic Previews (New Screenshots from the Desert Island)
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Incredibly based choice tbh
Add another to the list of recycled level designs; there's Dragon Road.
Also further clarification from Iizuka's eurogamer interview, it seems they were intentional to be mixed up with inaccurate level themes, as an inaccurate feeling of deja vu:
Ares Island Gameplay
Had a feeling it still looks pretty fun.
it's always different playing vs watching these BotW style games
it's always different playing vs watching these BotW style games
Previews for most games are nearly always positive. I'm just not taking the bait. I've been burned by the Sonic cycle over and over. Not this time.
This looks way better than the gameplay reveal.
I don't mind them reusing level layouts as long as we get some new stuff as well.
That city stage looks pretty decent, and it looks new. Sonic also looks like he controls pretty well during it, I'm glad we're getting the option to fine tune the controls.
Lets be fair, the gaming press has been dunking on Sonic games for years even when the fans like them, the fact that they are really enthusiastic about Frontiers, a game which has raised multiple flags for questionable design decisions with fans, doesn't seem unusual as the two groups seem to want the exact opposite things out of the series. Are the press really going to notice that they've copy and pasted a bunch of Unleashed stages?
The reality is this game is probably going to sit somewhere in the middle of the review scores and the fan reception. Reviews will overlook details like the asset reuse and lack of momentum physics, and fans won't be willing to get past the ill fitting visual style or the lack of extended character cast. That reception would be the best outcome for the series as well, Sonic Team wouldn't throw away a gameplay style that the general public liked without having a chance to refine it, and fans won't be left out in the cold with a series going off in some weird "somber" BotW direction instead of the Sonic Adventure 3 (or SA1 remake) they've been begging for over a decade for.
Positive early impressions of shitty Sonic games are really common tbh. But maybe the open world is the "alternative" gameplay element they were always looking into, tbh
Holy shit.
I was not expecting that level of fluidity from the combat. Sonic's wisp-like laser bounce off the barriers into that mini-boss, or raining blows down on multiple enemies you've sent airborne? It all looks incredibly fun.
It's actually nice to hear this might be decent, it's not like I want it to suck, but good lord if everything around the ign reveal month wasn't just the soggiest fart.
Still not a fan of the reused boost stages, wafer thin story justification be damned, I've played those stages/segments enough already
Still not a fan of the reused boost stages, wafer thin story justification be damned, I've played those stages/segments enough already
We got a long clip of the city 3D level and this level design actually looks miles better than the other 6 stages we've seen. There's complexity, moving platforms, branching pathways. Which is why it's confusing to me that the other 6 stages are all so extremely linear and straight line simulator.
View: https://twitter.com/sonic_frontier/status/1564528050221506561?s=21&t=n-sdn91M4iZmRwRIflCRag
View: https://twitter.com/sonic_frontier/status/1564528050221506561?s=21&t=n-sdn91M4iZmRwRIflCRag
The one I played, which is neither the Green Hill Zone one or the one in your tweet, also had at least a ton of verticality with different routes to take.
Well damn, this might be the first time in years I've been actually excited for a Sonic game.
The Sonic revival is upon us...and I'm here for it.
Same level as a previous game...game is a tragedy. Never mind this game being a higher quality version.
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No gameplay....just same or similar level. Tragedy.
I usually wait for a game to actually come out...and actually play it before deciding to like it or not.
Its a wild concept, I know.
The Sonic revival is upon us...and I'm here for it.
Some of the takes in that Green Hill Zone thread were really wild.
Same level as a previous game...game is a tragedy. Never mind this game being a higher quality version.
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No gameplay....just same or similar level. Tragedy.
I usually wait for a game to actually come out...and actually play it before deciding to like it or not.
Its a wild concept, I know.
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Yeah, at this point it's clear it's intentional. Looking at this I get that feeling of "wait, is this Unleashed or Generations?"
Add another to the list of recycled level designs; there's Dragon Road.
I just hope there's stage themes from games other than Generations and Forces. I want to see more pre-HD stages getting the Generations treatment, but I'm not even sure if there's going to be Unleashed or Colours assets.
At least we seem to be getting some original themes too, like the Metropolis one.
Seeing this and the overworld art direction we got makes me wish we got that instead. But reading the Eurogamer interview where Iizuka states they want this to be the template to build Sonic games for a decade, I am hoping we get to see this in successive games.
GameReactor Impressions + Interview with Iizuka
I had some good fun too with it at Gamescom.
Here I talked with Iizuka-san about Cyber Space being Sonic's own memories and more (video is in English):
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And here are my impressions:
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Will share in English too.
Here I talked with Iizuka-san about Cyber Space being Sonic's own memories and more (video is in English):
El Cyber Space se basa en los recuerdos de Sonic por estos 2 motivos
Hablamos con Iizuka-san en la Gamescom 2022 para saber más sobre las mecánicas de zona abierta y sobre los niveles más lineales y tradicionales.
And here are my impressions:
IMPRESIONES ARES ISLAND: Sonic Frontiers MEJORA en su recta final
Viniendo de recibir un aluvión de críticas, el erizo azul acelera de cara a su lanzamiento con una demo variada y divertida.
Will share in English too.
So I'm guessing that interview from a while back talking about the movie being an inspiration for some combat moments was talking about that bouncy cage fight part. It automatically made me think of Sonic's final fight with Eggman in the Sonic movie where he bounced off of the buildings to destroy his flying thing.
I've stayed out of Frontiers threads and away from media since Summer Games Fest because I've largely had nothing nice to say about the game but poked in here out of curiosity.
The developer justification for the level reuse/remixing sounds vaguely Mania-ish and I kind of respect that?
The developer justification for the level reuse/remixing sounds vaguely Mania-ish and I kind of respect that?
It would been cool if the cycloop could kick up dust like the movie too to make a tornado, but that's probably beyond the scope of this project.
Interesting, there was this supposed leak on 4chan a week back where one of the levels listed was Dragon Road
Add another to the list of recycled level designs; there's Dragon Road.
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Full list is:
Stage: Green Hill Act 1
Stage: Green Hill Act 2
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 1
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 2
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 1
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 2
Stage: Metropolis Madness
Boss: Air Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Ice Cap Act 1
Stage: Ice Cap Act 2
Stage: Speedy Highway Act 1
Stage: Speed Highway Act 2
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 1
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 2
Stage: Blazing Peak
Boss: Fire Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Final Rush Act 1
Stage: Final Rush Act 2
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 1
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 2
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 1
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 2
Stage: Gravity Field
Boss: Earth Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Dragon Road Act 1
Stage: Dragon Road Act 2
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 1
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 2
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 1
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 2
Stage: Steel Turmoil
Boss: Water Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Cyberspace Act 1
Stage: Cyberspace Act 2
Boss: Sage
Boss: Egg Titan (Cyber Sonic)
Stage: Green Hill Act 2
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 1
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 2
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 1
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 2
Stage: Metropolis Madness
Boss: Air Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Ice Cap Act 1
Stage: Ice Cap Act 2
Stage: Speedy Highway Act 1
Stage: Speed Highway Act 2
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 1
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 2
Stage: Blazing Peak
Boss: Fire Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Final Rush Act 1
Stage: Final Rush Act 2
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 1
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 2
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 1
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 2
Stage: Gravity Field
Boss: Earth Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Dragon Road Act 1
Stage: Dragon Road Act 2
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 1
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 2
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 1
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 2
Stage: Steel Turmoil
Boss: Water Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Cyberspace Act 1
Stage: Cyberspace Act 2
Boss: Sage
Boss: Egg Titan (Cyber Sonic)
I could believe this leak, although it seems kinda mindscrew-y that they use a Dragon Road layout for a non-Dragon Road level.Interesting, there was this supposed leak on 4chan a week back where one of the levels listed was Dragon Road
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Full list is:
Stage: Green Hill Act 1
Stage: Green Hill Act 2
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 1
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 2
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 1
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 2
Stage: Metropolis Madness
Boss: Air Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Ice Cap Act 1
Stage: Ice Cap Act 2
Stage: Speedy Highway Act 1
Stage: Speed Highway Act 2
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 1
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 2
Stage: Blazing Peak
Boss: Fire Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Final Rush Act 1
Stage: Final Rush Act 2
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 1
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 2
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 1
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 2
Stage: Gravity Field
Boss: Earth Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Dragon Road Act 1
Stage: Dragon Road Act 2
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 1
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 2
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 1
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 2
Stage: Steel Turmoil
Boss: Water Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Cyberspace Act 1
Stage: Cyberspace Act 2
Boss: Sage
Boss: Egg Titan (Cyber Sonic)
Actually happy with this
Add another to the list of recycled level designs; there's Dragon Road.
made my peace with the reused level designs
Add another to the list of recycled level designs; there's Dragon Road.
especially since forces how modern sonic team has like 2 inexperienced level designers so original levels would have been worse
The way Sonic is tightly turning on the highway while boosting... You just couldn't do that in Unleashed nor Generations unless you wanted him to go barreling off the map. This definitely gives credence to everyone who have played Frontiers saying that Sonic controls incredibly well.
I think it's cool. I'm sure it comes off better in game than people want to let on.
God no, we've been through the Sonic Cycle a million times, I won't do this to myself yet again, I will not be hyped by a Sonic game's pre-release footage yet again!
Must... Resist... The hype!!
Must... Resist... The hype!!
This feels like Generations 2 in addition to the open world stuff.Interesting, there was this supposed leak on 4chan a week back where one of the levels listed was Dragon Road
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Full list is:
Stage: Green Hill Act 1
Stage: Green Hill Act 2
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 1
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 2
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 1
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 2
Stage: Metropolis Madness
Boss: Air Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Ice Cap Act 1
Stage: Ice Cap Act 2
Stage: Speedy Highway Act 1
Stage: Speed Highway Act 2
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 1
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 2
Stage: Blazing Peak
Boss: Fire Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Final Rush Act 1
Stage: Final Rush Act 2
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 1
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 2
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 1
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 2
Stage: Gravity Field
Boss: Earth Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Dragon Road Act 1
Stage: Dragon Road Act 2
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 1
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 2
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 1
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 2
Stage: Steel Turmoil
Boss: Water Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Cyberspace Act 1
Stage: Cyberspace Act 2
Boss: Sage
Boss: Egg Titan (Cyber Sonic)
That's a yikes from me, although some are welcome returns, I hate when Sonic reuses stages from previous games, even Generations that I really liked didn't blow me away because it was just the old levels with new designs, it made sense there but since then they have entered full reuse town, even Mania the best levels were the new ones not the old ones.Interesting, there was this supposed leak on 4chan a week back where one of the levels listed was Dragon Road
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Full list is:
Stage: Green Hill Act 1
Stage: Green Hill Act 2
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 1
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 2
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 1
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 2
Stage: Metropolis Madness
Boss: Air Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Ice Cap Act 1
Stage: Ice Cap Act 2
Stage: Speedy Highway Act 1
Stage: Speed Highway Act 2
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 1
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 2
Stage: Blazing Peak
Boss: Fire Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Final Rush Act 1
Stage: Final Rush Act 2
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 1
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 2
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 1
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 2
Stage: Gravity Field
Boss: Earth Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Dragon Road Act 1
Stage: Dragon Road Act 2
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 1
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 2
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 1
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 2
Stage: Steel Turmoil
Boss: Water Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Cyberspace Act 1
Stage: Cyberspace Act 2
Boss: Sage
Boss: Egg Titan (Cyber Sonic)
To be fair, there is some story consideration. Sonic '06 being absent makes sense given that Sonic doesn't remember the events of that game.
There's some footage from the city level theme that uses some level design from the SA2 version of City Escape
The open world part seems so empty. The desert theme is more insteresting to look at than the first island, but there's hardly any enemies and everything shown there is heavily automated. Even the fights seems heavily automated, most of the moves interrupt the flow (the ricochet/pinball move seems cool, though).
The fact that there's no music doesn't help, it makes it seem so lifeless.
The 3D cyberspace level seems cool, though. Hope there's more levels like that (multiple path), I think so far it's the only one like that.
I think it's more to do with 06's reception. Why waste time remaking stages from a game so poorly recieved when they can't just port them over like they could boost game stages?
The music is apparently under embargo.
Everyone loved Crisis City in Generations.
This is so odd. It makes the footage feel flat and it's not like the soundtrack would carry spoilers (maybe track names, but just appearing on footage wouldn't). I don't know what the marketing team is thinking with that decision.
The embargos for this game is so weird.
Sonic Team/SEGA should be glad the previews and hands-on impressions from Gamescom seem to be more on the positive side seeing how they have handeld the marketing.
Honestly, I'd be down for this ifInteresting, there was this supposed leak on 4chan a week back where one of the levels listed was Dragon Road
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Full list is:
Stage: Green Hill Act 1
Stage: Green Hill Act 2
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 1
Stage: Chemical Plant Act 2
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 1
Stage: Sky Sanctuary Act 2
Stage: Metropolis Madness
Boss: Air Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Ice Cap Act 1
Stage: Ice Cap Act 2
Stage: Speedy Highway Act 1
Stage: Speed Highway Act 2
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 1
Stage: Pumpkin Hill Act 2
Stage: Blazing Peak
Boss: Fire Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Final Rush Act 1
Stage: Final Rush Act 2
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 1
Stage: Seaside Hill Act 2
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 1
Stage: Rooftop Run Act 2
Stage: Gravity Field
Boss: Earth Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Dragon Road Act 1
Stage: Dragon Road Act 2
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 1
Stage: Aquarium Park Act 2
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 1
Stage: Sunset Heights Act 2
Stage: Steel Turmoil
Boss: Water Titan (Super Sonic)
Stage: Cyberspace Act 1
Stage: Cyberspace Act 2
Boss: Sage
Boss: Egg Titan (Cyber Sonic)
Seaside hill focuses more on the beach side of things instead of the Green Hill aesthetics. I don't want it to feel like Green Hill part 2.
What I meant is that I'd like to see visuals that aren't pulled from Generations or Forces.
Each of these 9 games has at least other 6 stages they could be referencing.
Nonetheless it's cool to know that they're making something with SA2 levels too. If their goal with these was to go full in with the references, I hope Heroes gets some love too beyond a Seaside Hill theme or level design.
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Not only do a lot of Sonic's animations look bad, but there's a serious lack of feedback from the enemies. Sonic is warping through time and space to deliver a super saiyan gut punch and even the grunts are like "ok."
Well I guess if you genuinely enjoyed the werehog levels, I can understand the scores being aggravating.
The Wii score thing happened a lot with Wii games that generation. My thinking was it was due to a sort of selection bias (like reviewers who self selected to review Wii games had different tastes and standards than the general critic population).