I get 356 download, And 40 Upload. So if they do it their end perfectly then i'm good to go with our new streaming overlords.
I'll just use VR as my dedicated hardware.
I'll just use VR as my dedicated hardware.
Sony and Microsoft to explore strategic partnership regarding cloud-based tech for gaming & AI
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Yeah, I see this as being beneficial for MS, in a sense, thier tech will power the 2 largest console networks, and I can see 3rd parties jumping for joy at the shared platform, as it will mean almost seamless setup for thier online/streaming of games across both Xbox/PS.
Unless you started at the start and saw the meme born, it does tend to come across as the hottest of takes... Trust me. I am an expert.
Well I guess hell freeze over.
Kidding aside, I think Sony got the better deal considering they can learn a thing or two from Xbox excellent cloud structure. And Xbox got a sweet deal also if this means retaining some PlayStation audience once cross play is norm.
Kidding aside, I think Sony got the better deal considering they can learn a thing or two from Xbox excellent cloud structure. And Xbox got a sweet deal also if this means retaining some PlayStation audience once cross play is norm.
Of course there is money involved.
Sony pays for using azure. Like any service they would choose.
calm down people...this is just a collaboration between a customer and a vendor...
like despite how samsung and apple declared nuclear on each other, samsung still provide parts for apple.
Both companies are just doing business with each other like any other businesses would. Contrary to this forum, the console 'war' is never a basis for business decision.
like despite how samsung and apple declared nuclear on each other, samsung still provide parts for apple.
Both companies are just doing business with each other like any other businesses would. Contrary to this forum, the console 'war' is never a basis for business decision.
*Roll eyes*
I'm obviously referring to something other than the payment for the use of ms servers. I had misinterpreted ArmGunar as saying that Ms had moneyhatted Sony for the image sensor AI collaboration.
Ah now. If there's reason to expect Microsoft has a proprietary VM/technology that can run PS4 (or PS5) games on generic servers, it would be welcome to have clarification. There is a hypervisor or VM on the consoles, but it doesn't make their software easily portable.
I think it runs counter to expectations based on what we've seen so far. Although you've characterised the PSNow approach to server hardware as '1st gen', it's the same approach Microsoft has thusfar disclosed for xCloud, and indeed the same approach Google has indicated for Stadia, even though the latter had no legacy hardware to be concerned about, and could have chosen to go with something that could more easily run across more generic instances. Microsoft is using specific XB1-based server hardware for xCloud, Google is using specific new instances for Stadia. Sony used specific PS3 and PS4 based blades for PSNow.
It would be surprising to me if all of a sudden Sony can stream PS3 or PS4 games out of VM running on generic hardware on Azure. I think there'll have to be specific hardware - either PS specific blades, or a hybrid designed with MS. I think the latter would be ideal for both companies, and might actually underpin the reason for this deal.
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Anyway, with regard to the potential for lock in, or the potential for 'shenanigans', I think it's too early to get too pessimistic about that. In the end, cloud economics comes down to dollars earned on power consumption, utilisation of power consumption. I think what Sony can bring, and Sony's leverage, is expected users and usage - that is, a significant boost to Azure/xCloud utilisation. The idea that together, MS and Sony can enjoy greater economies of scale on their power and hardware usage - especially if they collaborate on hybrid blade designs to share. Greater than what their new competitors operating alone might be able to do. If MS is making a bet that Sony can drive a lot of numbers to streaming, then an attractive deal for Sony, to get that utilisation advantage in, and make things cheaper for both than either alone could do, is in Microsoft's interests. And I think MS is making that bet, and I think it's a reasonable bet given Sony's position in gaming and their success in marketing platforms to big numbers of users. Sony's success in streaming is now Microsoft's success. And Microsoft's success in cloud build out is now Sony's success. I think in the end its an acknowledgment that neither is going away, and there are bigger common threats for both now - for MS in cloud, for Sony in gaming - from players like Google and Amazon. And it's a win:win to call a truce on operating efficiencies, and indeed improve each others' operating efficiencies, to create an advantage for both their own services against these new competitors. If indeed it turns out that Sony is very successful in streaming, and represents a large portion of xCloud utilisation, it won't be in MS's interests to scare away this customer, and lose those potentially efficiency gains and economies of scale. That's (a part) of Sony's leverage and hedge against 'shenanigans'.
But we'll see how deep the collab goes. If it comes down to sharing hardware in their streaming services, that'll be an exciting mutual advantage for both over Google and others.
Some market and analyst reaction:
Sony shares skyrocket after the company announces partnership with Microsoft, share buyback
Sony shares skyrocket after the company announces partnership with Microsoft, share buyback
PlayStation Now is a service and Sony could change everything except the name in the future. Netflix was also a first generation service once.
You don't this kind of statement just for "collab between a customer and a vendor"
It's a partnership with full leverage of Sony and MS cutting-edge tech
Fun thread. MS and Sony announce a partnership and it's still MS vs. Sony here. You gotta love this.
Both companies should benefit from this.
Both companies should benefit from this.
WIN-WIN for both.
Funny thread, didn't know so many people had access to the cloud infrastructures of the big 3.
They even tested PSNow, Stadia and xCloud. A lot of those guys need an « Insider » badge. :-)
Funny thread, didn't know so many people had access to the cloud infrastructures of the big 3.
They even tested PSNow, Stadia and xCloud. A lot of those guys need an « Insider » badge. :-)
+ Attention seeker Nadella also gets to be pictured with Sony exec, to show off on his insta.
They use AWS for the account and admin management side of things, but for the video delivery itself, they manage their own edge network, leasing space at isps and internet exchanges.
https://www.computerworlduk.com/clo...ud-become-global-internet-tv-network-3683479/
Man, who knew that these companies are only out for profits and don't care one iota about the 'console war' that only lives in forums like these.
Good move for both parties. Only benefits.
Good move for both parties. Only benefits.
sony is the market leader on games streaming technology and games streaming services
and microsoft is the market leader in cloud computing services
this deal is beneficial for both parties and helps both companies double down on their most growing business areas (gaming for sony, cloud computing services for microsoft) while increasing the barrier of entry for new actors like google
and microsoft is the market leader in cloud computing services
this deal is beneficial for both parties and helps both companies double down on their most growing business areas (gaming for sony, cloud computing services for microsoft) while increasing the barrier of entry for new actors like google
Seems like a smart match to combat the newer competition in this area (mainly Google and Amazon). Good job Sony and MS.
It's so interesting how people tie themselves in knots trying to push this idea that because Microsoft and Google are entering into the space, suddenly they won't have the same issues as Sony in terms of latency, etc.
probably no console future....
you navigate to the store/service you want and play with streaming what contend you want.
they will probably sell ps/xbox branded controllers.
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How are adults still finding ways to console war, you guys ruin this place.
Couldn't agree more however I think the first mistake you made here is assuming they are an adult
It is a great news I was worrying about an activities demanding many CAPEX for Sony. A win win deal...
I mean if Nvidia can do it I'm sure Microsoft and Google can....PSNow is actually shit compared to GeForce now.
I think this is a necessary play to compete with companies like Amazon, Google, and Apple. Sony is small compared to the companies that Microsoft is really trying to fend off. Especially now since they are all making moves in a big way.
Gaikai is a department within SIE - a team of people working on Sony's cloud and streaming tech and infrastructure. They'll continue to exist, but will now also work with infrastructure in Azure (at least, assuming this 'exploration' of collaboration yields fruit).
Do you mean will Sony get rid of their existing leased infrastructure that Gaikai, the cloud department, has built out over the last few years? I doubt in the short term. Longer term they might transition away from it. Or they may keep it and mix with Azure, or indeed other, infrastructure.
I saw the question asked as to whether Gaikai was thus a waste of money in light of this - I don't think so, in that it was an acquisition of talent and of intellectual property that has brought them to this point. Talent and patent portfolios that may well be important in cutting deals like this. And they still need talent in-house to manage their infrastructural needs - wherever that infra lives - and to work on their front and backend software stacks (streaming clients for devices, the backend stack for servers), and on server hardware design. That work continues, but in some of that they may now collaborate and share with Microsoft.
New hiring at Gaikai has been at a high recently - even if you're working with a big cloud provider, you'll still need a fairly substantial in-house team to manage your deployments, if you're eyeing the development of what might be one day a multi-billion dollar streaming business.
Right. But this current PS Now does not relate to the coming future. That's all I'm saying.
There is no way to have that conversation without talking about things that are not yet public and are too technical for the vast majority of readers. Shrug.
The reason the Xbox One was designed the way it was designed - built on top of the PC, running Windows 10, acting as a Hyper V host is to allow future stuff. Next gen consoles will be able to play current gen games natively. Similarly, you can host an Xbox One on a PC. This was by design and exists today at Microsoft.
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Wow now all the weird posts I read form you make sense and I can classify them.
You're just totally nuts and / or trolling.
Honestly microsoft is a fucking hero. They have been bringing together nin and sony and partnering with every opportunity they get. Mature business for sure.
It would be interesting to see, for sure. I am thinking Sony's BC team has been getting PS3 games ready for PS5, and if that's the case it may in fact be more efficient to get all those games emulated on Azure hardware that can virtualize a PS5 (meaning one standard hardware for PS2,3,4,5 games). Would cut their costs down considerably I would think, since they dont have to house any servers or need custom hardware for streaming etc
It is funny how people cant grasp how simple this whole endeavor is.
Microsoft is a huge service provider. They will sell their services for whoever wants to buy it because that is their business. It doesnt matter if one segment of their business has Sony as the competition.
The same way Sony provides most of their competitors in the eletronics space with essential parts and tech for their products.
It is really ridiculous to think huge conglomerates like Microsoft and Sony will simply cease their business activities of other non-gaming segments of theirs simply because of console wars.
Microsoft is a huge service provider. They will sell their services for whoever wants to buy it because that is their business. It doesnt matter if one segment of their business has Sony as the competition.
The same way Sony provides most of their competitors in the eletronics space with essential parts and tech for their products.
It is really ridiculous to think huge conglomerates like Microsoft and Sony will simply cease their business activities of other non-gaming segments of theirs simply because of console wars.
....Microsoft was working together with Sony since forever. It's called business. Not heroism.
