Again, the violence is not gendered.
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Sony Cracks Down on Sexually Explicit Content in Games (Article States That It Refers to Underage Characters: Check Threadmarks)
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That is the issue. Without guidelines, companies will hesitate dealing with sony because it might cost them money. But it seems like that is way sony is run, unprofessionally and ad hoc, just as with the crossplay malarkey.
Nintendo and ms do have standards and they are decided by the ratings boards. Companies can deal with them with confidence because everything is laid out.
I'm afraid you'll have to define "gendered violence." You would find quite a few feminist schools of thought that would say all violence against women is gendered, regardless of context.
And unless I'm mistaken, doesn't one of the fatalities involve one of the female fighters crushing the testicles of a male fighter? That seems like it would count as gendered violence in Mortal Kombat, but I'm unsure as to the definitions at play here.
It's the argument used here, mostly.
In this view, it's ultimately inconsequential what reasons one can come up to contextualize violence against women, and NetherRealm are not forced to put violence against women in Mortal Kombat, merely that they have chosen to because they want to.
I think I should reiterate that I'm not conflating violence and sexuality as far as content is concerned, but merely criticizing the stated purpose of protecting children and women that Sony uses as justification for content edition. They have every right to control what's on their platform, but I feel that they will falter in their resolve to purge their platforms of all offensive content when it comes to the major, big dollar publishers. We have gendered violence and violence against women in Mortal Kombat, and the allowance of player characters to subdue women and drag them behind horses in Red Dead Redemption II, and sexual violence against women and sex workers in GTA 5. I feel that if Sony is true to their word in protecting women and children with their new content guidelines, they should take a risk and stand against Take 2 and Warner Bros for the same purpose.
I think the point is that this extreme violence can be inflicted to both male and female opponents alike.
Unless I'm mistaken, those fatalities, as gruesome as they are, are ungendered.
Edit: Ah I see the point now.
Yes it can be argued that it's still violence against women, no matter if the same violence can be inflicted against men.
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On which basis exactly? Do you think they'll remove SFV and Soulcalibur as they're worse this time around?
I should say I disagree a little bit with the Thermian argument video.. A work having internal consistency should be the hallmark of a good writer, and Mr. FoldingIdeas would agree that Deus Ex Machina are bad and that's essentially a violation of a work's internal consistency (which apparently doesn't matter, so who cares about Deus Ex Machina, right?) And while plot points that explain young characters actually being older are a little off-putting, it's just a little funny to see the same plot-reliant arguments fly back when it comes to violence, sexual violence, and straight up abusive player behavior, oftentimes from the same people. "She's actually a 1,000 year old dragon" to excuse a tiny girl character becomes "Sonya Blade is a special forces operative sent to counteract the Outworld NetherRealm forces of Darkness in a violent Mortal Kombat tournament" to excuse Noob Saibot entering her lower half and splitting her open from the inside.
I agree about the double standard.
I still see it as off-topic though.
To put it bluntly, Sony being hypocritical (like emitting "guidelines" yet still selling some creepy stuff) doesn't necessarily means that this stance is in the wrong.
I'm not accusing them of hypocrisy, just cowardice in not enforcing these new guidelines on larger publishers like 2K. Like these guidelines are for smaller/indie devs and pubs, and seemingly targeting Japanese devs/pubs, while Western devs/pubs get to violate them openly with zero issue. I'm not sure about the Japanese developers being specifically targeted, but that might just be a side effect of a general policy change and the lack of communication between Sony and publishers.
I'm more confused about what you were even expecting.
It's one of the games that kicked off this whole censorship discussion.
God, the google preview images are enough. WTF is wrong with some people, this is disgusting
No idea, maybe i thought gaf was being hyperbole we tend to do that.
Its not btw.
That's because they don't have anything against all violence, just sexualization of underage girls. There's no need to start "censoring" games like Mortal Kombat that don't go out of their way to push violence against women and only women. It's not gendered violence, at least not the kind that is objectionable (as in, exclusively/disproportionally against women, see: Goblin Slayer). I can't believe you people are still on this "bUt ThEIr vIOleNCe!1!!!111!" crap train.
They are "targeting Japanese devs/pubs" because they are almost exclusively doing this underage sexualization crap (in video games).
While noble, they have much more serious issues when it comes to helping raise better kids which makes me laugh at 'more steam in bath house' and 'god rays for bums': Sony
- peddles horrific violence
- pushes highly refined addictive digital crack
- allows access to casino games to all ages
- has no tools to allow parents to police their child's use of their product
- has no policy against gambling style loot boxes
Would you say Nintendo and Microsoft are enabling pedophilia?
Good, I report all the sexual anime games on steam as Child Exploitation even if the pages says "All characters are over 18".
The ratings boards largely exist to try and stop Government intervention, they were a part response to the videogame industry being told self-regulate or else. They aren't the end all and be all. In the UK the ratings board did step in and block the release of a game
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-43414617
While there may be some teething issues with Sony's policies, in part due to the human judgement needing to enter the equation to sift through some borderline shit, something has to be done moving forward.
Sometimes Era can be pretty damn prude, like you're browsing CatholicForums.org, but generally speaking this board is very good at shutting down the sexualization of minors and telling gamers and anime fans where to go when they start their shit. For good reason.
Games and anime, but definitely more-so anime, are absolutely full of grown men lusting over young characters, some explicitly children, being sexualized and/or slapped/harrassed around.
It's incredibly fucked up and it just shows how normalized it is you get 20+ page topics of people tripping over themselves to defend this shit. Or the other week on here you had a straight up hentai topic recommending child porn hentai. People going on public record to admit that is what does it for them. No shame whatsoever.
That is how normalization occurs and why you have people in public stating they have a thing for depictions of children/young or underage girls. There needs to be pushback or you allow this dark side of media consumption to continue to grow and have mainstream games platforms like PS4, Switch, Xbox and Steam supporting it.
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And Sony owns Funimation, guess what you can find there.
I am all for a Sony that implements policies to help raise children, but that will never happen without legislation because it would destroy their business unless their competitors were also forced to do the same things.
I find this particular initiative kinda pointless. I could be wrong of course, and maybe Microsoft and Nintendo are promoting child sexualization and paedophilia by relying on ratings boards. I just find it hard to believe companies like that would do such a thing.
Inconsistency or apathy doesn't necessarily mean promotion. Sometimes it takes a bit of time for a culture or society to properly get to grips with something that has been going on under their watch for quite a period of time.
Without a doubt, Nintendo, a brand with historic ties to being family friendly, are looking more and more responsible the longer they just shrug and let anything release on the Switch. Sony is a Japanese company too, and it's clear Sony WW have been putting pressure on the Japanese HQ because rightfully so, people in the West, aren't all down with Japan's history of sexualizing children in anime/manga/games.
You can find whatever you want pointless, but people will understandably poke and prod your dismissal of anything being done, as dismissal is often a cape for "defending". When people are a little more in tune with knowing how others will view them for fetishizing children, so instead they go down the adjacent route of "Well, this is all kind of pointless, so, *shrug* maybe just leave it as is?". Instead of "Hey guys, I love watching 14-year-olds get spanked/harassed, please let me carry on doing so!".
I am all for policing of content wrt children, but I don't stop at JPN pedo shit and would live to see actual paediatric experts crafting guidelines for real legislation addressing addiction, violence, etc. And I don't see anything Sony has done as having changed anything so they get zero props from me. In fact they are worse because of Funimation. Microsoft nor Nintendo has that kind of garbage.
IMO, this is simply a product of SIE being run on an ad hoc, chaotic manner, hence the lack of upfront written guidelines—akin to how nobody knows whats going on with crossplay, and you get different answers depending on the day you ask. There are some Sony folks who are genuinely good people trying to make a difference, each with their own particular stance, operating within an amoral global corporation whose only concern is money and not breaking laws (personification of human group behaviour is ok in my book); so you get bum godrays and extra steam. Good for them for trying, but that changes nothing.
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So don't do anything until the perfect solution is found? Yes, Sony owns Funimation, but people are fighting on all different fronts and even within Sony there will be various part of the company to take on. Anime has many more years of normalizing paedo shit than gaming. It's going to be even tougher to tell men in their 20's, 30's and 40's that their animes with children being sexualized are going to be curbed.
If you think the outrage online in the gaming community is bad when a 14-year-olds breasts get covered or a game with a mini-game that slaps the shit out of young girls is blocked, going after anime will be some sort of mini "world-war". As I said, only the other week on Era multiple posters were confident enough to publicly recommend child porn hentai/anime. As in legit porn, not just sexualization which is mostly seen in games.
The PlayStation division is coming out of the gates trying to do something about games. Your argument that because Nintendo/MS don't own an anime platform means their gaming output is better than Sony's own the child sexualization front is just factually wrong. Games that are getting changed on the PS are not being changed on the Switch or Xbox.
So, things are changing on the Sony gaming platforms. No one is saying it is perfect or without teething issues, but more attention is going towards the issue and outting the dark side of this hobby which is (primarily) grown men lusting over depictions of children.
edit: I mean, if you want to speak about normalization in this industry, look to where most of us came from
https://www./threads/lets-post-some-sexy-game-characters.832354/ (this gets posted http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131001134031/disgaea/en/images/b/b1/DD2_Etna.png Looks like a 10 year old. Probably not even the worst in that topic. At Least Kojima's Quiet is actually an adult)
https://www./threads/will-discussion-of-certain-games-be-banned-on-neogaf-from-here-on-out.851761/
https://www./threads/can-loli-anime-girls-kill-a-great-game-for-you.515852/
https://www./threads/should-forced-censorship-excuse-genuinely-questionable-behavior.1137779/
https://www./threads/anime-art-style-games-with-no-sexualized-characters.538113/
https://www./threads/atlus-usa-bringing-dungeon-travelers-2-to-north-america-this-summer.1029061/ (though thankfully mods did ban this game off GAF)
Not to mention all the issues NeoGAF had discussing paedophilia - https://www./threads/maninthemirror-gives-a-platform-to-a-pedophile-via-salon.1115666/
And guess what, it is a good trip down memory lane seeing some of these old topics and the rampant defending of child sexualization that went on during NeoGAF (arguably the largest gaming community in its time, so a good sample size), from many avatars still around on Resetera today. This is a long-term problem and a lot of grown adult men need to be dragged and the industry has to sort itself out. That means Nintendo and MS too, as well as Steam, Epic and any other platform offering games.
Maybe the others could do things more efficiently than Sony? Maybe Sony can learn from other gaming companies and not leave devs so uncertain/confused? Lots of possibilities, but at least they are trying something like Steam has been known to try and do something about the visual novels/games with children/child depictions in them.
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Umm i wonder if dororo and one punch man have game license it's will get censor too ?
big spoiler for people who did't read old tetsuka osamu manga or watch new anime adaption.
one of biggest reveal of manga/show it's
Tatsumaki maybe use one version. instend murata version.
big spoiler for people who did't read old tetsuka osamu manga or watch new anime adaption.
one of biggest reveal of manga/show it's
dororo is a girl. her cloth could be consider child sexualization when people know true her gender
Tatsumaki maybe use one version. instend murata version.
All my opinions on Sony start from the proposition that Sony is the devil.
In the story that's in the OP?
I'm assuming they mean children here. Is that not a sound interpretation? Do they mean somebody else by "young people?"
I think I've been trying to explain that gendered violence (what is the acceptable amount of gendered violence?) in Mortal Kombat and Grand Theft Auto is still an issue and one Sony doesn't seen keen on having a stance on due to the largeness of the publishers. "But it happens to men too," is the kind of argument you'd see in the Female character design threads defending skimpy designs for female characters.
Sexual Violence runs rampant in Rockstar's games via the player characters hiring a virtual sex worker (exclusively female) and killing her once the player character is done with her services. Sex Workers in the real world have to fear this exact sort of sexual violence, yet Sony seems OK to peddle this so long as the Market Cap of the Publisher involved is above a certain level and the affected group is already marginalized. Their ownership of Funimation and Aniplex also shows they are alright with sexualized minors in entertainment as long as they are the publisher of such material. So saying they are doing this to "protect the development of young people" is a farce as they have no intention to ending the production of entertainment with sexualized minor-like characters when it's from their own owned properties.
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Not worth angering the mods over
Sony should make their policy transparent and easy to follow by development houses
Not worth angering the mods over
Sony should make their policy transparent and easy to follow by development houses
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There is a huge difference between the two.
One is about developers putting pedophile content into their games. The other is about a difficulty mode.
If you don't see how ridiculous you sound then there is no hope for you.
I don't think so. I would like a detailed guidelines but all signs point to pedophile content being censored.
You seem to be the 'just asking questions' guy in this thread huh?
I'm adding to the pile. This is the dumbest hottake I've read in awhile.
How on Earth did you conflate sexualized kids with a fucking easy mode in your head.
Yes, well, i can tell by the *avatar quote*, you do in fact like 'anime'.
Keep asking those questions. Keep at it. Really analyze what it means to be a pedo. It's good stuff.
I don't think they would go that far as to ban those.
I mean they already allowed that recent Senran Kagura game on the PSN store. And that had way worse content. The only thing they censored was intimacy mode which was rightfully censored because it was creepy as hell and disgusting.
As long as there are nude childlike characters they will get censored.
You also had that Neptunia game being censored for it's Loli garbage, but they allowed the game on PSN anyway.
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I'm fine if the characters are clearly underage, that's a no brainer really. But what I'm wondering, where it says "One of their biggest concerns" what are the other concerns? Obviously banning underage characters, I'm fine with that, but does that mean breasts and penis' will be banned from characters clearly of age? Slight butt being shown?
As an example, let's look at Dantes Inferno where you can clearly see breasts, penis' and the ass. Would that game be censored on the PS4 today? They need to be more specific.
Nah it is the same old policy. The same one that started last year since that light rays visual novel game. I guess you could say this is the first time they talked about it in public.
It wouldn't because we had way worse than that in Red Dead Redemption 2 (which had sex and fully nude people) and we also had Conan on PS Plus that had full nudity.
As far as we know there is no problem. Aside from DMC5 which I believe to be Capcom's fault.