Is it me or do the Sony games almost look the same graphicly? All have this weird Wax figure look to them, hard to describe. Not a hate or anything just my point of view.
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Sony exclusives are really trying to raise the bar graphically this gen
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Battlefront and BF 1 look better than any game released so far.
Anybody who played them in high resolution knows that, unless we are talking exclusively about character rendering tech.
As i said before quite a few times Sony studios are the best in blending art and tech, but they are not the best in tech.
Ps. People downplaying Crysis 3 on past gen consoles is something else. Its a miracle that it even worked on them, let alone played in somehow playable framerates.
Anybody who played them in high resolution knows that, unless we are talking exclusively about character rendering tech.
As i said before quite a few times Sony studios are the best in blending art and tech, but they are not the best in tech.
Ps. People downplaying Crysis 3 on past gen consoles is something else. Its a miracle that it even worked on them, let alone played in somehow playable framerates.
Only Dice and Rockstar re comparable imo. And yes last gen crytek was great. I platinumed crysis 1 on ps3 lol. I was blown away how it looked on 256mb of ram.
Technical and art proficiency is the most important and I don't like to use PC as a benchmark... The most important things is to compare the game on the same machine and doing nearly the same things and most of the time first party come on top... Sony is not doing fps anymore at 60 fps nothing to compare to Battlefront, BF1 or Doom...
Sometimes like with GT Sport on PS4 Pro it is better than Forza 7 on PC...
They clearly have different stances on what makes a game interesting to play. Sony is going for very cinematic experiences, often taking control from the player if it means showing a great camera perspective. Microsoft is more traditional, gameplay first. I think both have their place, though I often find it enough for me to watch a Sony game Let's Play because there are at times that many cutscenes that the gameplay distracts from the experience. Microsoft games are the opposite where you often don't get rewarded well enough for what you do in gameplay. I think Rockstar and Ubisoft nail that balance between the two extremes.
I honestly cannot understand how people think AC Origins is anywhere near Horizon. It is an amazingly beautiful game but seriously now, either you have a long time to boot Horizon or you havent played it.
Where to begin really? Animation? Textures? Geometry? Lighting? Shadows? Effects and particles?
Seriously how do people even begin to compare these 2 games is beyond me. If I can give something to Origins is water. The rest, I am sorry but no.
Now in terms of Sony exclusives in general they push graphics tech to new heights. Spiderman's sense of scale is insane, TLOU part II looks like a CGI movie, Ghost looks amazing, God of War as well... the list just goes on and each of these devs is pushing the other to perfection.
Where to begin really? Animation? Textures? Geometry? Lighting? Shadows? Effects and particles?
Seriously how do people even begin to compare these 2 games is beyond me. If I can give something to Origins is water. The rest, I am sorry but no.
Now in terms of Sony exclusives in general they push graphics tech to new heights. Spiderman's sense of scale is insane, TLOU part II looks like a CGI movie, Ghost looks amazing, God of War as well... the list just goes on and each of these devs is pushing the other to perfection.
After seeing the nib95 image, there is not doubt, HZD is kooking better on PS4 Pro...
You can compare Battlefront and BF 1 to Uncharted 4's multiplayer.
UC4 is a third person game... The best comparison is a launch game Killzone shadow Fall...
ICE Team is the key for having such wonderful graphics. Insomniac might be the odd duck here, as they are outsiders, but Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Guerilla etc all have a good footing within the ICE Team and are the first to get any new advances.
Trying and succeeding. Horizon is just spectacular. Hell, The Order 1886 still hasn't been surpassed yet in terms of linear games.
I mean of course there is a lot of talent behind these studios too but graphics are more and more about budget every year. Sony gives its developers big budget to make largely AAA single player games which then leads to graphically great looking games.
Because art diretion and aesthetics matter as much as pushing pixels and tech. I can agree that maybe HZD is pushing more serious tech cause i dont know the nitty gritty, but i just prefer AC look the topography and scale , the overall atmosphere of Egypt is more to my liking than HZD.
And then we all gotta remember we are comparing multi platform games with console exclusive , i think exclusives have a quite the advantage catering to one system instead of 3.
I find this not a good thing at all, even though I am primarily a PS4 gamer.
IMO Sony exclusive titles always make multiplatform titles , or other platform exclusive titles for that matter, look extremely shitty in comparison. In theory you could play Forza 7 on a 10.000 euro PC and GT:Sport would still look better, even on the 200 euro non-pro amateur system..
Indeed, DICE is the only one on the same level. Almost all other games look worse to the point that I don't want to play them anymore.
It saves me a lot of money in the end I guess. But still what is the point?
I would have been exited for the new COD, but honestly, it only looks like BF1 with all the graphical detail and lighting turned off. COD WW2 looks closer to COD:WAW (on PC maxed) than BF1. In previous generations the difference was less obvious
IMO Sony exclusive titles always make multiplatform titles , or other platform exclusive titles for that matter, look extremely shitty in comparison. In theory you could play Forza 7 on a 10.000 euro PC and GT:Sport would still look better, even on the 200 euro non-pro amateur system..
Indeed, DICE is the only one on the same level. Almost all other games look worse to the point that I don't want to play them anymore.
It saves me a lot of money in the end I guess. But still what is the point?
I would have been exited for the new COD, but honestly, it only looks like BF1 with all the graphical detail and lighting turned off. COD WW2 looks closer to COD:WAW (on PC maxed) than BF1. In previous generations the difference was less obvious
And what camera perspective has anything to do with tech behind the game?
Actually its even easier to get some performance back or make things nicer in TPP mode as camera is further away from objects, so devs can save sometimes on texture and shading resolution.
After the CGI Killzone 2 fiasco at E3 2005(?) Sony learned their lesson. I can´t think of one trailer that didn´t match the final product after that event. Sometimes the final games even looked better than what we saw in the trailers years ago. Yes the gif´s in OP are all cutscenes and so they look slighty better than say the game play counterparts. Just like Uncharted 4 looks the best in the cutscenes but it doesn´t mean the overall game would not achieve this quality. What you see now is what you´ll 100% get in the final game.
I can agree with you that whatever artistic style you prefer is valid reason to like the looks of a game more. Hell to some people Braid is a visual masterpiece, and I am not being sarcastic here I fully support that.
But I got the impression that this thread is about graphics tech more so than art. If we go by art alone, then this thread becomes pointless.
So going by gfx tech, the absolute objective answer is that Horizon is in a different league than AC Origins.
Naughty Dog would probably do different choice on technical side if they were doing a FPS. I prefer compare games doing the same thing on the same machine... Open world versus Open world... Semi open design like UC 4 against Tomb Raider and so on... 3rd person game against 3rd person games... Guerrilla changed many things for Horizon going from FPS to 3rd person games...
Frosbite 3rd person games aren't as impressive as the fps game and it was difficult for the different team at EA to change an engine optimize to work for first person point of view (rendering side, animation side and on tools side)...
Out of this example all the other team reach their target. And TLOU 2 cutscene are not far beyond the UC4 60 fps trailer only at 30 fps and on a more powerful machine the PS4 Pro...
Yeah and I was thinking about it and that's probably the only one. Uncharted 4 still looks incredible though!
Infamous Second Son, Killzone, Horizon Zero Dawn all surpassed their first reveals.
Im not counting GT Sport in there because the reveal was such a shitshow you know improvements were coming anyway.
You mean one 3rd person game? Not made by DICE even.
Still dont see the difference between tech in those camera modes. And Battlefront is mostly designed around 3rd person view, not 1st person.
What would you change in tool side for 1st and 3rd person? Animation i agree, you can cut some for your main character in 1st person, but rendering and tools are exactly the same.
Having baked lighting to real time is way more impactful to the whole game tech design than camera view for example.
https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/10/the-collapse-of-viscerals-ambitiousstar-wars-game/
Same story for other studio like Bioware or Guerrilla Games coming from Killzone to Horizon Zero Dawn...
If this happens "often", would you mind giving a handful of examples? The only one I can think of that happens at the expense of gameplay is in God of War Ascension when the camera pulls right back to show Hecatonchires but leaves Kratos fighting in a tiny portion of the screen. It looked nice but was awful from a gameplay perspective.
Use fully dynamic ambient occlusion when your games is not using dynamic time of day or weather is not mandatory. Naughty Dog and Ready At Dawn use baked GI like in AC Unity but it is a good choice for their games, they only use dynamic ao for torchlight or some specific light source. It depends of what you want to achieve on your games and for the moment baked GI look better than realtime GI. It impact your graphic pipeline but if you can do it why not... And realtime preview tool with baked GI for artist is a reality...
Each teams craft the game around the art or the goal to achieve on screen... Everything is a technical choice...
EDIT: And the saved rendering time using baked GI is used for something else...
Each teams craft the game around the art or the goal to achieve on screen... Everything is a technical choice...
EDIT: And the saved rendering time using baked GI is used for something else...
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Seeing Battlefront at 4k 60 FPS in person was insane, I doubt most of the people who think PS4 games are the best looking have experienced that.
Agreed. I think it is the fact that Sony seems to invest in SP games, gives their devs a good amount of creative freedom and has some very talented devs in the mix. Horizon is the most impressive game I have seen across PC and consoles, and U4 is the total package. There are a few multiplatform devs that can hang: Ubisoft, Crytek, ID software and Dice for instance. However, these three upcoming games in particular may push things even further. TLOU2, if that transitions to gameplay sets a new bar in my opinion. Spiderman has some of the best daytime lighting in the game. Ghosts of Tsushimi looks very crafted. Need to see gameplay of that, but Infamous SS and FL look very good.
It is the secret of this business to provide sufficient budget, time and convenience to developers. All the people who work in the Sony Studios are creative and visionary people. They've always proved that and they know what the user wants.
And don't forget the God of War. All these scenes are running inGame.
And don't forget the God of War. All these scenes are running inGame.
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I wouldn't call it waxy but I know what you mean, they are on the road to photorealism and not fully there yet (the waxy part) and employ the same means techwise and artistically. But they are close, inching closer with every game and every newly created tool that let's them come closer to it, the logical conclusion is that they will look more and more similar because there isn't really any other choice. You either stylize your graphics, go for cartoonish or hyperrealism etc, or you try and be as realistic as you can get. That means when you use a pbr workflow and have a certain memory budget and engine specific features etc, even if your game has Orcs and Elves... wood will look like wood in other games, fabric like fabric in other games, glass, water, grass, dust, skin, humans etc.
So even if they lose the "wax figure look" or whatever it is that bothers you and me, even if they are perfectly photorealistic... in the end they will still all look the same when viewed through the technical lense.
This in itself isn't really a bad thing, but the excitement of the old days regarding this specific thing is gone. Kinda similar to CGI in movies, nobody is excited about good CGI anymore these days, it is expected and in the best case you don't even realise you are dealing with CGI.
What stands out to people these days is when CGI looks bad, I assume this will happen (or already happens to some degree) in videogames too, down the road. The excitement will die down completely to that level and the flaws will be the talking point.
For me, what sets apart Sony's first party and other studios that are great with tech is the consistency amazing art design behind the games. Very few other studios can match both the art and tech together to create a beautiful looking end product.
God of war is running on standard PS4 for E3 presentation and to confirm but it seems the same thing for PGW...
GT Sport replays is the closest thing to real life in realtime CG right now. I mean, look at this replay, it's lifelike. And this is my humble base PS4. As an avid PC gamer with mighty 1080 Ti I'm still shocked about Sony's output. Horizon Zero Dawn is nothing short of marver bearing in mind that it runs in 1080p/30FPS on a 2013 AMD APU.
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Yeah I saw that last weekend. Looks better than any Sony game by quiet a margin
Those trailers are most certainly not in-game but in-engine. that means that cut-scenes will look exactly like that with gameplay sequences being close to very close from this quality
I'm more impressed with Sony's commitment to sticking with these huge, single player games & not following the trend of loot boxes right now. Granted, I should probably expect them in the next MLB game, but it's just nice to see. Can't freaking wait for Ghost of Tsushima.
Sony might get some shit for delays, not giving release dates, letting developers run over with development ect but when you look at their games, the results speak for themselves. They really do have the best looking games out there.
Yea I guess I agree
Here is my list of this generations best looking games on consoles :
1-uncharted lost legacy/4
2-Horizon zero dawn
3-rise of the tomb raider
4-gears of war 4
5-ratchet and clank
6-untill dawn
7-dying light enhanced edition
8-mgs5
9-drive club /forza horizon 3
10-infamous SS
Here is my list of this generations best looking games on consoles :
1-uncharted lost legacy/4
2-Horizon zero dawn
3-rise of the tomb raider
4-gears of war 4
5-ratchet and clank
6-untill dawn
7-dying light enhanced edition
8-mgs5
9-drive club /forza horizon 3
10-infamous SS
Sony was always investing heavily into the graphics department but I can't shake the feeling that they could do much better gameplay wise. Horizon for example looks incredible but it's using pretty much the Ubisoft open world formula packed with a rather interesting story at least. The last Sony game where I thought "this looks amazing, this plays amazing, the story is amazing" was The Last of Us on the PS3, I sure hope that the sequel can deliver in the same way.
-I also wouldn't mind them toning down the graphics a bit to push some of their games to 60FPS but I guess that's never gonna happen, as long as eye candy is valued more important by the players, advertisers and developers.
-I also wouldn't mind them toning down the graphics a bit to push some of their games to 60FPS but I guess that's never gonna happen, as long as eye candy is valued more important by the players, advertisers and developers.
The Order: 1886 is a glaring omission there. The actual quality of the game itself is another matter, but to this day it still looks like hot fire.
Uncharted cutscenes are done in real-time, so there's no difference in quality. I don't see why any of those would be different.
Haha don't kill me but I think drive club looks better than gts (30fps helps drive club for sure I guess)
Never played the game. That's why I don't know how good it looks. I m sure very soon it will be on ps plus and I ll give it a try.
I think this is kind of ridiculous to say. What Sony game are we talking about here? Other than more minor exclusives like The Order 1886 and Until Dawn, many of their games have tons of gameplay. Bloodborne? Horizon? Even Uncharted games have a lot going on, and Lost Legacy specifically is even more gameplay oriented. The Last Guardian? Infamous? Gravity Rush?
Even going back last gen, despite people saying TLOU is too cinematic it's also one of my favorite games for gameplay. Grounded mode was something else.
I do think Sony has, overall, been more ambitious than Microsoft in pushing or raising the bar of high fidelity in video game graphics, but I also know better than to trust their "exclusive games" trailers because often time the final product, while usually still impressive, does not look as good.
Example: Uncharted Series, Killzone 2, No Man's Sky (I'm sure there are more examples, but these are the ones that came to mind)
Example: Uncharted Series, Killzone 2, No Man's Sky (I'm sure there are more examples, but these are the ones that came to mind)
Yeah I mean last guardian, knack, dreams all look the same...