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Sony Interactive Entertainment made CyberConnect 2 devs edit out depictions of violence for Naruto UNS 4 (2016), but not DBZ Kakarot (2020)
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Nope, but I'm not sure that's relevant. Any game submitted to SIE Japan regardless of where it was made should adhere to the same guidelines.
One rule for Japanese creators and another for the rest makes no sense unless it's local or national law / CERO policy.
That's basically where my confusion comes from. The certification process is already complicated as it is. Lack of consistency or hard guidelines just makes it even worse, so I'm wondering if there's more to it than just "whatever Sony Japan doesn't like".
I don't think not wanting gore is the same as being ableist. In fact you're water down the meaning of the word ableist.
Not a surprise, since CERO is one of the most notoriously difficult ratings boards as far as on-screen sexual depiction is concerned. No sex acts of any kind are allowed, and nudity is outright scrubbed.
Not really a fan of Sony going around and telling devs what they can or cannot do based on vague and unreliable guidelines. Especially when it seems to target a certain type of devs (i.e. Japanese) while most others get a free pass.
They need to be confronted about this.
They need to be confronted about this.
It's the same from the Western version.
You have blood, severed limb, decapitation, burned alive/to death, slashes, stabs, etc.
At first I thought you weren't posting in good faith, as I'd assumed the rule only referred to amputation in a horror or violence context, but I went back and read the quote in the OP and you're quite right.
really? what about a million animes that are all full of over the top gore and violence?
CERO has never given much thought to how violent something can get in a manga or an anime. They have their own rules that don't observe outside factors like those.
I'm rather surprised this wasn't already happening given the stricter rules that have gone into place regarding sexualization in both games and manga lately. It always struck me as odd that Japan didn't crack down as much on violence over the years since some older manga aimed at teens and even younger would still fully depict some rather bloody and over-the-top violence. They've been toned down somewhat over the years since the early days of, say, Dragon Ball and FOTNS and JoJo, but it's still there and quite bloody most of the time.
Those of you with whatabouts with GOT and TLOU2 and such, there's a lot of context with some and outright changes in others. MK has had green blood since forever along with some other minor changes, but other more recent games have things like beheadings removed even on native products like Ninja Gaiden.
Those of you with whatabouts with GOT and TLOU2 and such, there's a lot of context with some and outright changes in others. MK has had green blood since forever along with some other minor changes, but other more recent games have things like beheadings removed even on native products like Ninja Gaiden.
Yeah, I suspect it's on CERO's end. Suda51 talked about Nintendo asking him to remove a certain portion of a trailer in Travis Strikes Again for a similar reason.
The OP has a quote saying specifically it wasn't CERO.
Does someone have trouble understanding that sony is worried naruto will be seen as more of kiddy stuff for the current generation, and therefore is worried it will cause controversy over it?
This is pretty common for any content creator. Different countries have different laws and different social norms and there's no getting around it.
Except we're talking about something that's beyond the country's standards. CERO is fine with it.
Even then, all of Sony's content guidelines are run though the US arm, not Japanese arm.
I enjoy this backwards temporal criticism...
"Game in 2016 was limited compared to game from 2020, clearly showing an increase(????????) in pressure!"
I mean i get there is a broader discussion here but this is not a good comparison, in my opinion
"Game in 2016 was limited compared to game from 2020, clearly showing an increase(????????) in pressure!"
I mean i get there is a broader discussion here but this is not a good comparison, in my opinion
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Oh, well that's what I get for not reading everything thoroughly.
I very specifically remember the second Shin Budokai game on PSP being weird about this. Future Gohan had both arms, but only uses his feet and his good arm during fights.
I mean, if you're calling out China specifically, I don't see why they can't just make a censored version specifically for China. Didn't they used to do the same for Germany, a country with a far smaller market than China today? If they can do that, I'm sure the returns on making a specific edit for China is much more lucrative
It wasn't exactly. In the Cero D version "severed" limbs would remain in-tact on the zombie but would turn pitch-black in color and be in a ragdoll state. In the Cero Z version the severed limbs would detach, but would still be rendered pitch-black in color, censoring the gore.
The problem is that there's no consistency, especially seeing as these social norms aren't reflected by other platform holders and publishers in the region.
This edict seems to be coming directly from Sony, on a game by game basis.
According to the Japanese article it is happening right now to that Kimetsu no Yaiba game.
I guess this is one way to not let 3rd parties compete with you on an even plane. A little aggressive though.
Be more like current Nintendo or end up like old Nintendo, maybe
Be more like current Nintendo or end up like old Nintendo, maybe
Considering said Kimetsu no Yaiba title is being developed by CyberConnect, it looks like we're going to need another thread title edit.
(And also underlines how bizarre Sony's pivot to anime is, given that Kimetsu no Yaiba was the specific IP Sony keeps pointing to in explaining said pivot)
[Edit] So: re-reading the article, it looks like SIE demanded the cut* in Naruto, but waved Dragonball through, citing 'changing times', which implies that Kimetsu no Yaiba will probably be waved through (although it's not confirmed). Regardless, not 100% confirmed that KnY is affected or unaffected.
*pun intentional
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Ellie's violence = good and totally normal interactive media
Anime = literally satan
Well not yet. The question was about Demon Slayer's gore, and the answer was what the story talked about in the OP. They said they can't talk about a game in development.
Since they mentioned Dragonball's age as a franchise, cyberconnect might be thinking since Demon Slayer appeals to younger audience it will have a higher chance of running into this issue.
TLOU II was censored in many places (and not only the violence)
Are we talking the sex scene or things like gay people kissing and openly showing affection?
The sex scene.
The game was outright banned in Middle East because of the gay scenes (probably would be hard to remove).
The article specially mentioned that this was not due to CERO.
I don't think they censored it, just told them to cut down on violence because of rating and to be able to cater to more audiences (although 16 to 18 isn't much of a difference tbh)
But could be just because marketing reasons, as Naruto was a sure top seller
Not due to CERO in the sense they didn't request the changes themselves? Or not due to CERO in the sense Sony were just making sure it released with a T rating?