So I was bored and wanted to attempt to recolor one of the screenshots, and I think if they at least get the grass looking more like the original, I'll feel so much better. I'm hyped regardless, but I'd love to see a more faithful color palette.
Yeah I second sending this over to them. I'm really excited for this but it seems a little weird that the pallets (and the mood of some levels) have been changed a bit. Also I think it would be awesome if they included an option to swap back and forth between the remastered soundtrack and the original (I know we haven't heard much of the new soundtrack and that the Dark Hollow remix might have been toned down for the PSN theme), I really liked that there was an option for that in the FFX remaster. I think the new Dark Hollow is good it's own way but it definitely gives off a different vibe than the original, more serene, less punchy, lower bass, etc. I'm sure I'm gonna have a lot of fun with it either way though
Because the devs themselves (who where even consulted for the project) would have chosen to go for a BETTER (not different) lighting simulation if they could
I would say a large amount of people want it to be faithful seeing since that the original trilogy was so cherished. I think it looks amazing too don't get me wrong, but I think some color tweaks and skybox changes could go a long way.
That's subjective.
In what alternate universe is this true? This is just crazy talk...
This and Crash are AAA as you will get from platformers. LBP3 and A Hat in Time also released for platforms.
Those are both remakes, LBP3 sucked and A Hat in Time is hardly AAA. I mean it doesn't have to be Mario Odyssey tier, but a bit more of a budget than the things you listed wouldn't hurt.
That's your opinion though. Insomniac did a pretty good job with the low poly count. Hell, some people find low poly really appealing. He looks pretty dapper to me!
They are changing basically everything. The combat system, the camera, the overworld, the environment plus geometry, it's basically a new game. I would have preferred a normal ass remake instead but hey...that's on SE.
We won't unfortunately. These are straight-up remakes from the ground up, not ports.
It feels like night and day to me but w/e. Spyro's aesthetic has definitely aged better than Ratchets.
Sorry if this post is a bit big, but I did a couple more recolors and added color swatches to help better demonstrate why I'm doing this and why I feel strongly about the new colors. The original games were pretty important to me in terms of learning about color theory and how influential a palette can be. I feel like the biggest detracting statement from people who like the new colors is that "that's how real lighting works" and while I see your point, Spyro takes place in a fantasy world with talking dragons. It wasn't realistic then because they didn't want it to be realistic. It's not like they accidentally chose the colors they did in the original or just used photo references of what they saw outside and popped that in-engine. If you read the Gamasutra article about their approach to color theory with the trilogy, you can see they had a very clear process in choosing the palettes and it wasn't anything to do with trying to make the world look realistic or believable.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131581/lessons_in_color_theory_for_spyro_.php
I did my best to employ some of the techniques they describe when re-coloring, not just swapping new colors with the old ones, which is most apparent in the third photo. I'm absolutely open to change, I love what they did with the geometry in the world. I'm a big fan of the splashes of blue on the spires in the third photo, so I tried to place more emphasis on them and dull down the overwhelming oranges and reds.
Obviously they're not perfect because they're just photoshops I did in an afternoon, but I think with the color swatches you can see a bit more of why I feel some changes could benefit this. Also I'm not trying to start any arguments about "the original is the best, the remake's shit, I'm right, etc", this is more to open a dialog and to show the developers something they may have not realized was important to the core of the game that others have appreciated in the past. I also sent out a tweet with these because Toys For Bob seems relatively active on Twitter, in the hopes of at least getting them to acknowledge it's important to some of us.
Sorry if this post is a bit big, but I did a couple more recolors and added color swatches to help better demonstrate why I'm doing this and why I feel strongly about the new colors. The original games were pretty important to me in terms of learning about color theory and how influential a palette can be. I feel like the biggest detracting statement from people who like the new colors is that "that's how real lighting works" and while I see your point, Spyro takes place in a fantasy world with talking dragons. It wasn't realistic then because they didn't want it to be realistic. It's not like they accidentally chose the colors they did in the original or just used photo references of what they saw outside and popped that in-engine. If you read the Gamasutra article about their approach to color theory with the trilogy, you can see they had a very clear process in choosing the palettes and it wasn't anything to do with trying to make the world look realistic or believable.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131581/lessons_in_color_theory_for_spyro_.php
I did my best to employ some of the techniques they describe when re-coloring, not just swapping new colors with the old ones, which is most apparent in the third photo. I'm absolutely open to change, I love what they did with the geometry in the world. I'm a big fan of the splashes of blue on the spires in the third photo, so I tried to place more emphasis on them and dull down the overwhelming oranges and reds.
Obviously they're not perfect because they're just photoshops I did in an afternoon, but I think with the color swatches you can see a bit more of why I feel some changes could benefit this. Also I'm not trying to start any arguments about "the original is the best, the remake's shit, I'm right, etc", this is more to open a dialog and to show the developers something they may have not realized was important to the core of the game that others have appreciated in the past. I also sent out a tweet with these because Toys For Bob seems relatively active on Twitter, in the hopes of at least getting them to acknowledge it's important to some of us.
Well Crash felt like new game too. Scratch from everything considering OG games were ps1 titles. Outside of copy paste combat of FFXV nothing seemed new or different as comparison to crash remakes. And they remade 3 games within 1 year.
But you had the leveldesign and everything already in place.
It feels like night and day to me but w/e. Spyro's aesthetic has definitely aged better than Ratchets.
Sorry if this post is a bit big, but I did a couple more recolors and added color swatches to help better demonstrate why I'm doing this and why I feel strongly about the new colors. The original games were pretty important to me in terms of learning about color theory and how influential a palette can be. I feel like the biggest detracting statement from people who like the new colors is that "that's how real lighting works" and while I see your point, Spyro takes place in a fantasy world with talking dragons. It wasn't realistic then because they didn't want it to be realistic. It's not like they accidentally chose the colors they did in the original or just used photo references of what they saw outside and popped that in-engine. If you read the Gamasutra article about their approach to color theory with the trilogy, you can see they had a very clear process in choosing the palettes and it wasn't anything to do with trying to make the world look realistic or believable.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131581/lessons_in_color_theory_for_spyro_.php
I did my best to employ some of the techniques they describe when re-coloring, not just swapping new colors with the old ones, which is most apparent in the third photo. I'm absolutely open to change, I love what they did with the geometry in the world. I'm a big fan of the splashes of blue on the spires in the third photo, so I tried to place more emphasis on them and dull down the overwhelming oranges and reds.
Obviously they're not perfect because they're just photoshops I did in an afternoon, but I think with the color swatches you can see a bit more of why I feel some changes could benefit this. Also I'm not trying to start any arguments about "the original is the best, the remake's shit, I'm right, etc", this is more to open a dialog and to show the developers something they may have not realized was important to the core of the game that others have appreciated in the past. I also sent out a tweet with these because Toys For Bob seems relatively active on Twitter, in the hopes of at least getting them to acknowledge it's important to some of us.
Gee it's a shame they had to settle for such fantastical colors in the skyboxes instead of those realistic ones in the remake due to technical limitations.Sorry, but "lol it's magic there aren't rules!" is a lazy cop out and you guys know it. In this "mystical realm", fire still burns, water is wet, and the lights in the sky are meant to refract light properly, as demonstrated by almost every stage in the game:
Look at how even the light post is implied to give off light properly in this "mystical realm" where apparently the rule of refractions go out the window?
The fact of the matter is that technical limitations only allowed them to simulate proper lighting to a limit, which you need to understand was their original intention, and not some rule-breaking bizarro lighting model. With modern tech, a modern day developer can hit what Insomniac originally envisioned more faithfully than they ever could. What we're seeing in the Artisan Home is a more believable portrayal of what Insomniac originally intended, which by the way were shown the pre-vis by Games for Bob that had the color schemes we're seeing right now and received the blessing for it directly from them right?
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/131581/lessons_in_color_theory_for_spyro_.php
Love it. I don't know why they made the stonework look messy in the remake. Are the Artisan Dragons sloppy workers?
