To be fair, Tilly was a far better character previously. Lately she is stuck in the same one tone comedy relief of the series.
This. The writers have been overdoing it for the past few episodes.To be fair, Tilly was a far better character previously. Lately she is stuck in the same one tone comedy relief of the series.
Well, I hated just about everything in this episode.
Section 31 keeps being shit
Drama, so much fucking drama
Project Daedalus is a nonsensically huge tech advancement even by Star Trek standards
Humanizing space Hitler
Everything revolves around main character because "reasons"
To be fair, Tilly was a far better character previously. Lately she is stuck in the same one tone comedy relief of the series.
This. The writers have been overdoing it for the past few episodes.
They're not so much jokes so much as depicting Tilly not being able to handle a normal conversation without it turning into word salad.I agree, it's been bothering me nearly every episode now, and I don't find myself laughing at any of her "jokes". The writers really need to dial it back.
That was only when Brian Fuller was show runner and they wanted to do an Anthology, it didn't go past that and when the show was actually being developed it was always going to be about Burnham, in the same way TOS, TNG and DS9 were about Kirk, Picard and Sisko. Yes those shows went on to later develop their secondary cast (especially DS9) but the show was still very much about those three main characters, why on earth people can't seem to understand that Discos main character this time around is Michael I don't get, it's always going to be her.Re: main character argument
A few years ago, when details of the show were being floated, it was rumoured that each season would focus on a different ship and possibly time period. It would have sense to have self-contained stories that follow one main character's perspective.
Michael Burnham Season 1 -- a Starfleet officer who sparks the Klingon/Federation war, only to then fall in love with a Klingon -- makes for an intriguing story.
Cue my surprise when I finally saw last night's episode: the writers have centered "all sentient life" around her. I've been the most vocal critic about her character, but I literally had my mouth wide open after that opening scene. They really went there.
And yet Discovery has hands down the best writing of any Trek show. But the fact remains: they are going to do 3 seasons and center galactic events around one character. Doesn't quite make sense.
That was only when Brian Fuller was show runner and they wanted to do an Anthology, it didn't go past that and when the show was actually being developed it was always going to be about Burnham, in the same way TOS, TNG and DS9 were about Kirk, Picard and Sisko. Yes those shows went on to later develop their secondary cast (especially DS9) but the show was still very much about those three main characters, why on earth people can't seem to understand that Discos main character this time around is Michael I don't get, it's always going to be her.
I think Tilly in this moment was my favorite part of the episode.
This is to me a strange criticism to make. Once again, I haven't watched Trek shows other than discovery, so feel free to use that as a way to discount everything I say here if you want, but here's my thoughts:Cue my surprise when I finally saw last night's episode: the writers have centered "all sentient life" around her. I've been the most vocal critic about her character, but I literally had my mouth wide open after that opening scene. They really went there.
And yet Discovery has hands down the best writing of any Trek show. But the fact remains: they are going to do 3 seasons and center galactic events around one character. Doesn't quite make sense.
Man, seeing some of you label my new favorite episode as atrocious is rough. I understand that ultimately it's about conflicting tastes and little more, but it makes hanging around in here a real bummer sometimes.
This is to me a strange criticism to make. Once again, I haven't watched Trek shows other than discovery, so feel free to use that as a way to discount everything I say here if you want, but here's my thoughts:
When hasn't "Save the world" been a staple of many, if not outright most, scifi shows? Like, sometimes it's a city, sometimes it's a planet, occasionally it's all life in the universe, whatever, but it's a common trope. It's not even necessarily bad. It's not like anyone goes "Pfft, so what, if this random fat hobbit doesn't drop the ring into a mountain, the ENTIRE WORLD and generations after it are fucked?" or "So the survival of the entire galaxy is placed on this one character and his crew stopping the reapers?" or "so if this 11 year old doesn't stop the fire nation before the comet, the world will be permanently out of balance" or anything like that. You could argue it's cliche, but several series have done this concept well.
So I'm kind of baffled by this remark. Why would writing an (possibly cliched, definitely admittedly pulpy) end of the world scenerio for Star Trek be bad?
It isn't the scenario -- the trope of "saving the galaxy" has been done in 50 minutes in other shows, nevermind 14 episodes. The problem is when it is the same character in almost every episode.
No other Trek series has done season-long story arcs centering around one character. Possibly because you can't do several years of having a spaceship flying around the cosmos, and telling the story from one perspective without making it seem like that character is the center of the universe.
It's one thing to try it, but I don't think it's working. Calling it into question now is more than justified.
I agree. Tilly is a goddamn treasure and I will not tolerate any slander.
Just for flavor's sake can't someone whip out a thesaurus and call it something like a temporal lattice instead of "time crystal"?
Man section 31 are going to be pissed when realise they wasted all this effort on a time-travelling suit when Spock works out you just need to fly around a star real quick and you can nip back to the 1960s for some timeline-destroying research
I mean the borg are already around at this point so it would be a pretty stupid to tie her in with the borg for no reason. They wouldn't be anywhere near this sector of the galaxy for at least another 100 years or so.
That was only when Brian Fuller was show runner and they wanted to do an Anthology, it didn't go past that and when the show was actually being developed it was always going to be about Burnham, in the same way TOS, TNG and DS9 were about Kirk, Picard and Sisko. Yes those shows went on to later develop their secondary cast (especially DS9) but the show was still very much about those three main characters, why on earth people can't seem to understand that Discos main character this time around is Michael I don't get, it's always going to be her.
People saying Michael is a clone are ridiculous. Michael is obviously her own mother.
Just for flavor's sake can't someone whip out a thesaurus and call it something like a temporal lattice instead of "time crystal"?
I don't think Airiam's going to, but the needle in Leland's eye plus a particular shot in the teaser for the next episode have me worried. They wouldn't do that, would they?
Man the last episode really started off horribly. This fake drama and all the tears because of the death of a crew member we as viewers don't really have any attachment to really soured me on the whole episode. When they came to the end with all the shenanigans to catch the red angel I was flabbergasted why they frontloaded the episode with all that faux-drama.
And I found Michaels facepunching of Leland weirdly out of place. I get that her thinking she was the reason her parents died was traumatizing, but in the end here parents did their job same as Leland by sending them there. Or did something get lost in translation?
Leland sent them there without proper due dilligence and process to ensure they were protected from reprisal from the Klingons because he was more interested in making a name for himself than doing things decently, safely, and in good order. He did explain this.And I found Michaels facepunching of Leland weirdly out of place. I get that her thinking she was the reason her parents died was traumatizing, but in the end here parents did their job same as Leland by sending them there. Or did something get lost in translation?
Never said he didn't but that did not come out in the dubbed version I watch. In the dub (is that even correct for a localized live-action series?) I understood it more along the lines of that they all were rash and he as the superior officer should have been more careful about their safety but that ultimately her parents chose to go there. Which then led to Burnham blaming him for her parents death and that was somehow a leap to me.Leland sent them there without proper due dilligence and process to ensure they were protected from reprisal from the Klingons because he was more interested in making a name for himself than doing things decently, safely, and in good order. He did explain this.
Her parents died explicitly because he couldn't be bothered to care enough to keep them safe.
And also....you know....he was admitting to being the reason her parents are deadLeland sent them there without proper due dilligence and process to ensure they were protected from reprisal from the Klingons because he was more interested in making a name for himself than doing things decently, safely, and in good order. He did explain this.
I'm sure they knew the risks, but her parents died explicitly because he couldn't be bothered to care enough about them to keep them safe. He deserved more than punches; he deserved to have his rank stripped and jail time served. Punches are the only realistic consequence for him given he'll never go on record admitting it to any wrong-doing and facing any real justice.
Yeah, it's cool they're taking their time with it and what happened to him. I really enjoyed the side scene with him and Cornwell too, it was a nice scene between them.Culber is becoming one of my favorite characters this season, I love what they are doing with his character and coming to grips with what has happened to him. The scene with him and Admiral Cornwell was refreshing and it was nice to have a conversation outside of just the main plot. Empress Georgiou leading Stamets and him on also made me laugh a little bit too lol.
This. The writers have been overdoing it for the past few episodes.
I hate Tilly so much. Just have her be taken by Pike to the Enterprise though, no need for her to die too.I'm 5 minutes into this episode and omg just fucking kill off Tilly already.
Truly the Wesley Crusher of this show.I'm 5 minutes into this episode and omg just fucking kill off Tilly already.