Did anyone who worked on Voyager ever mentioned why they killed off and replaced Harry Kim in the same episode?
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Star Trek Franchise |OT| To Boldly Go.....
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I was about to comment and then you added the last sentence. Yeah, there's a reason this is ok in this case.
One of my favorite things about Beyond, that I wish was a little bit more of a focus of the movie (but I also like that the movie doesn't beat you over the head with it), is that the central conflict of the movie boils down to a conflict of ideology. Yorktown is the centerpiece of the movie and is basically a physical representation of the Roddenberry ideals: betterment through cooperation and self-sacrifice. The villain of the movie is a physical representation of an opposing ideal: betterment through conflict and conquest. So the fight for Yorktown is actually the heroes of the film trying to protect those Roddenberry ideals from a force that seeks to destroy them.
I find little things like that in the movie fascinating, even if it's not executed perfectly, and stuff like that (plus the movie just being generally tight and fun) that makes Beyond one of my favorite Star Trek movies and makes me really wish that Lin and Pegg could have another go with the franchise where they're not being pulled in late in preproduction after Orci the other writers were taken off.
I find little things like that in the movie fascinating, even if it's not executed perfectly, and stuff like that (plus the movie just being generally tight and fun) that makes Beyond one of my favorite Star Trek movies and makes me really wish that Lin and Pegg could have another go with the franchise where they're not being pulled in late in preproduction after Orci the other writers were taken off.
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I remember the episiode, and I have no idea of what actually went on. And I'm obviously joking, but it'd be funny to think (at least in my imagination) that a writer was tired of his shit, and did it as a "See this? I can do this to you on a whim..."
Everyone always mentions Harry but Naomi died and was replaced too. How do people forget they killed a newborn baby on the show?
Also, Worst Case Scenario is best Voyager episode. There's your conflict between crews, whiners :p
Also, Worst Case Scenario is best Voyager episode. There's your conflict between crews, whiners :p
The really great part about Harry being replaced with alt-reality Harry is how no one ever comments on it again.
It wasn't an alt reality, Voyager was duplicated, it's the same Harry from the same ship, just that he spent like a day on the other Voyager.
wasn't it just a different 'phase' variance though? Not really an alt-reality, it'd be like commenting on everyone that goes through the transporter, technically those aren't the same people anymore, but still the same person.
Wasn't it settled that they are the same people? Enterprise outright says so, and that one episode in TNG with Barclay would be impossible otherwise.
On the greatest discovery podcast thy interviewed Chris Black, writter for three seasons on Enterprise. He talked about how when they pitched it to him it was pitched as "the right stuff" that it would come through on the promise of voyager by having actual consequences. But say what you want about Berman, he's a good pitch man lol
A lot of the problems with Enterprise ultimately weren't Berman and Braga's fault, it was higher up. I mean, I guess the "honorable" thing would have been to say no, but people want to eat. At the very least they were aware of the dangers of retreading the same material.
Don't forget "The Thaw".
There's tons of great Trek in Voyager. I'd even argue it has fewer lows than its predecessors, it just also doesn't have as many highs.
Which came first, Harry dying and being switched or O'Brian dying and switching with his time jumping self?
DS9 season 3 episode 17 "Visionary" - February 27, 1995
Voyager season 2 episode 21 "Deadlock" - March 18, 1996
Yeah. I enjoy it as a fun ridiculous premise they commit to. Also fun little bits like her using the Holodeck to distract the macrophages.
Also, I really love the scene in "Shattered" when Chakotay and Janeway come across unconcious crewmen and Chakotay rattles off like three different episodes it could have come from. It's a great episode overall, especially since it used continuity to its advantage and Chakotay is useful.
Shattered is a good pick. I also really enjoy Worst Case Scenario. It was a fun way to bring back Seska and I liked seeing the different characters try out the same holodeck simulation.
I actually watched Shattered the other day. I saw it brought up somewhere else and felt it was something I should watch again and I enjoyed it. It made me realize though that the amount time Voyager as a show plays with time travel is crazy when I think about. I actually think their time travel episodes were really good though. That could be why I never think of it as a negative for the show.
Is that really when they aired? We must have been so far behind in UK.
After DS9 S1 was a 6 month gap, then S2 for 6 months, then Voyager and DS9 back to back for like 6 years of Trek every week. Voyager was only 1 series behind, yet look at that it would have been 2 behind in US?
Eh, some of those time cop episodes are terrible. Future's End was great.
I absolutely love Voyager and I after with everything you said only I was loving everyone by the 3rd episode.
That's such a weird episode because it doesn't really resolve so much as just... end. Everyone just looks a little perturbed and then just forgets about it.
The biggest problems with Voyager only appear after watching all 7 seasons and then looking back on them. Then it's possible to think "why did Janeway choose to obey the Prime Directive at Planet X, and then violate it at Planet Y when the situation was exactly the same?" And "Why did they just leave those more-advanced lizard babies behind and never discuss their kids again?" At that point, it can sour a little bit.
The seventh season of The Next Generation has had some great episodes but it is a lot more uneven than the glorious Sixth season. Couple of bad ones, here and there. I think I am about halfway done with it and just saw the episode Inheritance. I don't want it to end but I suppose all good things must. The only Trek show I'll have to watch after I finish this is Enterprise now. My boyfriend told me the first season of it is meh but it really comes into it's own by the last two.
Voyager is worth it for the Seven and Doctor episodes imho. They were by far the best written (and acted outside of Mulgrew) characters in that show.
Voyager is worth it for the Seven and Doctor episodes imho. They were by far the best written (and acted outside of Mulgrew) characters in that show.
I feel like voyager is OKAY. It's bad episodes are no where as bad as ds9 or TNG bad episodes but it's highs are not even the same galaxy as those the good ones from those series. Their was also the matter is of sustained consistent "goodness". Each of ds9 and TNG had multiple consistent good seasons. Voyager never did, it would go up and down constantly
Macrocosm is a great fun episode that knows exactly what it is and rolls with it. Yeah it's not exactly the best Trek has ever done in terms of drama, but it's great for just Sci-Fi fun.
Well we don't see just how many people at Starfleet command are infected with the parasites at that point. It's quite easy to believe that enough Admirals and people in key positions are infected by that point that they can cover up a single Starship approaching Earth and only trying to make contact via official direct means. It's not like the Enterprise was hailing orbital stations or the lunar colony, they were only stated to be trying to contact Starfleet command. I mean at this point they had infiltrated enough to make radical changes to Starfleet operations and barely 3 people even noticed something fishy was going on.
And I thought the viral flys made for some decent PG13 body horror.
When I rewatch Voyager today, every time Neelix comes on screen I think "the 90s were a strange time."
It's funny how much we discuss Voyager considering it's either the worst or 2nd worst series next to Enterprise. I guess it's because of the great premise they ruined.
I wonder if Disco would have been better received by some of the star trek fandom if it was them stuck in the mirror universe trying to get home, so it had a chance to redeem voyagers premise but in the MU instead. They wouldn't have been restricted by canon at all.
I wonder if Disco would have been better received by some of the star trek fandom if it was them stuck in the mirror universe trying to get home, so it had a chance to redeem voyagers premise but in the MU instead. They wouldn't have been restricted by canon at all.
So whilst we can all agree that TNG has the best intro theme of Star Trek (Personally my order is TNG > VOY > ENT (S1 & 2) > DS9 > TOS >>>>>>>>>>>Discovery = ENT (S3 & 4), what about END themes? For this Enterprise throws itself right to the very top,
Had they used that as the opening theme then it'd beat even TNG for me.
Had they used that as the opening theme then it'd beat even TNG for me.
The ENT leitmotif in general is a surprisingly good bit of music. It really does capture the 'dawn of an era' that the show was intended to represent, even if the show didn't always quite live up to that potential.
Something small about to start something very, very big.
The music in the very final scene was the only redeeming feature of the Enterprise finale as well,
Voyager is fine if you forget the entire premise of the show and pretend that the Delta Quadrant is part of the Federation. :p
Nonononononononononononono. Also, nope. :P
Voyager > Deep Space Nine > The Next Generation > Discovery > Enterprise > The Original Series for me.
Ending credits to Enterprise are still Berman going for some of that Dawson Creek soundtrack mojo for freaking Star Trek.
I'll also go out on a limb and also say the only redeeming quality of the Kelvin movies' scores are the reorchestrations of the TOS opening song. Not really a fan of Giacchino's work outside of Lost and Fringe. His films scores just don't grab me.
I'll also go out on a limb and also say the only redeeming quality of the Kelvin movies' scores are the reorchestrations of the TOS opening song. Not really a fan of Giacchino's work outside of Lost and Fringe. His films scores just don't grab me.
Deep Space Nine > Voyager > The Next Generation > Enterprise > The Original Series > Discovery
I like Discovery but I think the opening theme is very skippable.
Nostalgia mostly. Enterprise was the first Star Trek that I watched because Deep Space Nine and The Next Generation were nearly over by the time I was the age that I could understand them. I liked the song and the visuals that depicted an optimistic trip through human history, and was surprised when I found out most didn't.
I can see that. I liked the nostalgic visuals of NASA achievements such as the space shuttle and whatnot. I just wish the music was different! I can't stand the song, which was one of the reasons I really hated the soft pop rock of the early 2000s/Christian rock then.
I felt Archer's Theme hit the visuals too. Someone did a cut which showed the music hit at all the right points.
I'm hoping for some cool franchise info at Comic Con soon. We've got those rumors swirling of multiple additional television projects in early development. Hard to say whether any of that will be commented-upon so soon if it even pans out, but a limited series TNG revival (or Picard-helmed gig of any kind) would be the second best thing I've ever heard announced in the TV industry, bar none.
(A DS9 revival takes the cake, but I can't see that ever, ever happening.)
(A DS9 revival takes the cake, but I can't see that ever, ever happening.)