I can go with that or a variation of it.
I don't know, Luke's quote is in the context of Jedi being Force ghosts, they are literally one with the Force rather than one with Rey... But with the Sith it's different since Sith Force ghosts don't exist...
The Jedi had to learn to retain their sense of self when being reabsorbed into the force (presumably this is the fate of all living things). Either that or the ones who did can offer that up to the people that haven't.
I'm slowly catching up with this thread so I apologize if this has already been brought up but you need to watch TLJ again.
I think Palpatine was forcefully (no pun intended) using the past Sith. I doubt the past Sith were being altruistic and supporting Palpatine out of a sense of common purpose or anything. Sith have always been egotistical so when Palpatine says "I am all the Sith" it really cannot be the same meaning as with Rey and the past Jedi.
Unlike with Vader redemption was handed to Ben on a silver platter like, four goddamn times. Him doubling down on the dark and that being his undoing always made more sense thematically.
I'm not lying up all night troubled by star wars. It was just some idle thoughts I had while having a completely unrelated sleepless night.
Quite-Gone only learned to became a Force voice rather than a full Force ghost, but if I recall correctly Yoda or someone taught him the full technique. They presumably taught it to Mace and the cartoon Jedi too. No one is ever really gone.
He didn't just wake up one morning "Yeah I'm going to be evil" snoke (Palpatine) seduced him to the dark side, but Leia always believed he could be saved and he knew it too.
Luke immediately after this: No one is ever really gone.
My original assumption when the first teaser came out was that going into the ruins of Endor would mean an encounter with a sith specter version of Palpatine, mirroring Luke's encounter with the force ghosts on dagobah.The film could have used a Sith specter or any of the other Legends/lore established ways to make Palps 2.0 make sense. It could have done its own thing too! Nobody knows what this film did though DiipuSurotu. A Good Question For Another Time.
Leia straight up says this in TLJ.
Exactly.
She was pouring her heart out to Luke, who knew that even their father could have been saved. Kylo chose not to kill her, and in the end she was the one who saved him.Leia straight up says this in TLJ.
Ofc Luke reassures her otherwise and the original film with Carrie Fisher's involvement most likely would've had a much more prominent role to make it work.
Exactly.
Before Luke's arrival Kylo had just ordered this despite knowing she was in there:
How so? Considering the timeline it makes sense that she would be dead.
We thought the same of pretty much everyone not related to the main cast by the time of the OT but:
This is like 30 years more after the OT.We thought the same of pretty much everyone not related to the main cast by the time of the OT but:
This tough leader persona is to mask the frighted Ben who was still tethered to his mother by the force, why do you think Vader fought Luke if he was his son?Before Luke's arrival Kylo had just ordered this despite knowing she was in there:
He was corrupted by the dark side, he wanted to be the new Vader and ironically followed his path, it's poetic.
Kylo later.
Balance the force means whatever you want it to mean beyond killing all the sith
You're not supposed to side with Kylo's words, Luke is the voice of reason, the moral compass that tells us that he is wrong.Kylo later.
He was fully committed and his reaction to failing to kill everyone was a "No" so severe it would've made Vader blush. What breaks Kylo at the end of his film, is that he failed, and thus had to sit there and reflect on that failure, alone.
Leia also says this in TFALeia straight up says this in TLJ.
Ofc Luke reassures her otherwise and the original film with Carrie Fisher's involvement most likely would've had a much more prominent role to make it work.
I guess Anakin did only temporarily bring the Force back into balance. In AOTC Mace says that their ability to use the Force has diminished, and in ROTS he says Anakin is the only one that can bring it back into balance, implying it was out of balance by that point. I guess the Sith simply existing and using the Darkside throws the Force out of balance so Vader's death and Palpatine being nearly killed/severely weakened brought some respite to the Force while he recovered. And I suppose one way to look at it is Anakin "killing" Palpatine is what freed the Galaxy from Sith rule, it threatened to return in TROS but Rey stopped it before it happened.
Leia also says this in TFA
Presumably, Han's death made Leia give up hope, but it didn't stop Rey from still believing Ben could be saved in TLJ, even when Luke and Leia didn't believe it. Rey wasn't completely off given that Ben wasn't able to kill his mother.
I mean, we know that Kylo is wrong. And we also know that this is an episode like his other anger episodes where as soon as the anger fades he'll go back to pure misery and self hatred. But it's a bit hard to just describe it as an temper tantrum when it involves him trying to kill people.
Leia said that before Kylo killed Han. Rey knew nothing about him not attempting to kill Leia. The whole irony of the Rey trying to redeem Ben thing was that she was being naive, she was only help him go further down the path of the darkside. Helping him gain power when she thought she was pulling him to the light. Meanwhile, Kylo was only pushing her further towards the light when he thought he was pulling her down the path of the darkside so that she'd join him. It's a wonderful piece of writing where two characters, both of whom have a vision of them helping each other, make the opposite conclusion.Leia also says this in TFA
Presumably, Han's death made Leia give up hope, but it didn't stop Rey from still believing Ben could be saved in TLJ, even when Luke and Leia didn't believe it. Rey wasn't completely off given that Ben wasn't able to kill his mother.
