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Hektor · Dec 28, 2017

Uzzy said:
It can't be that bad can it... Oh, oh no. Best game of the year at 36, Mass Effect Andromeda actually on the list..

I'm usually the last one to get upset at listicles on the internet, but i really can't wrap my head around the idea that a group of people consider such an uninspired, iterative and at launch outright broken sequel to be a much better game than NieR: Automata, XCOM2:WotC, Persona 5, NIOH, Pyre or Yakuza 0.

Heck, even Horizon Zero Dawn, a game that is just as iterative but at least actually polished and creative in its art design scored lower.

fspm · Dec 28, 2017

MadGear said:
Started playing Killer is Dead. I like how bizarre it is but man, this game is trash. So much tapping X, shaking your stick ... I don't enjoy playing this so far at all.

The 4th boss has qte where you are forced to mash like a madman. I spent around 2 hours and went beyond 6-7 clicks per second I shit you not and still that wasn't enough. Then downloaded autohotkey, assigned 50 clicks p/s to a button and that was it. The game was at default 30 fps btw. QTEs are trash. As for KiD it's no killer7 but still worth one playthrough.

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

fspm said:
The 4th boss has qte where you are forced to mash like a madman. I spent around 2 hours and went beyond 6-7 clicks per second I shit you not and still that wasn't enough. Then downloaded autohotkey, assigned 50 clicks p/s to a button and that was it. The game was at default 30 fps btw. QTEs are trash. As for KiD it's no killer7 but still worth one playthrough.

U did apply the qte fix as well right?

Deleted member 15476 · Dec 28, 2017

Andromeda wasn't a personal disappointment given BW's recent output and I actually kinda enjoyed my time with it, especially in comparison with DA:I which I still despise and have it unfinished at 45 hours. I think a lot of people vastly overrate the first Mass Effect in terms of actual game design and gameplay, they gave too much attention to the feedback about how people loved that game, Mako exploration, etc.

Igniz12 · Dec 28, 2017

MadGear said:
Started playing Killer is Dead. I like how bizarre it is but man, this game is trash. So much tapping X, shaking your stick ... I don't enjoy playing this so far at all.

What a coinqidink, I started it today too! Got to the insect boss and had to quit cause I had to step away. First impression arn't good but I'll keep playing more later.

Hektor · Dec 28, 2017

Andromeda arrived as a fine but far from fantastic Mass Effect game. It was unpolished, in need of another few patches to iron out its most GIF-worthy bugs, and it required another writing pass to really draw out its soul. It didn't get that, and while it would likely never have reached the heights of the series' past - a Mass Effect 2, a game of the generation - it could still have really been something

. Instead we got a vague retread of Mass Effect 1's plot with uneven writing, lots of boring legwork, some questionable Big Choices and a king's ransom in bugs.

Andromeda isn't a bad game, as the internet circa launch had you believe. It's just not very good,

The game's biggest problem was how boring it all was. The characters weren't particularly interesting, the planets were uninspired and the quests were instantly forgettable.

There's flashes of Mass Effect magic buried within Andromeda's banality. You just have to work really, really hard to find it.

One of these days, we're going to have to talk about what the city of Montreal and the development culture there - created by Ubisoft and turned into a factory/strip-mine kind of operation by every other big publisher - is doing to gaming. Because it's not good.

@_@

fspm · Dec 28, 2017

Tizoc said:
U did apply the qte fix as well right?

The fix is supposed to help if you want 60 fps right? Well I tried and all it does is makes adjustments for revival sequences, nothing for bosses.

Deleted member 8106 · Dec 28, 2017

GMG has a 25% off voucher valid on Automata and its dlc.

deftones r cool · Dec 28, 2017

Any word on Tales from Candlekeep: Tomb of Annihilation? One of my old D&D buddies suggested we both buy it and start playing together. Looks like a Diablo clone w/ D&D lore. Just curious if anyone here has played this.

Aren't the Torchlight games multiplayer? Part of me thinks we might be better off w/ a safer bet like that.

Dragon1893 · Dec 28, 2017

If you read Eurogamer's list, they downright admit that a lot of placements don't make sense and the write-ups end up being apologetic justifications like "not enough staff members played this one" or "it's kinda good if you look really hard".
It's weird, but like any list, not worth getting upset about, which a lot of people still do for some reason.

Deleted member 401 · Dec 28, 2017

Tesdant said:
Any word on Tales from Candlekeep: Tomb of Annihilation? One of my old D&D buddies suggested we both buy it and start playing together. Looks like a Diablo clone w/ D&D lore. Just curious if anyone here has played this.

Aren't the Torchlight games multiplayer? Part of me thinks we might be better off w/ a safer bet like that.

Actually, it looks more like a straight translation of the tabletop game. That is, turn-based gameplay.

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

fspm said:
The fix is supposed to help if you want 60 fps right? Well I tried and all it does is makes adjustments for revival sequences, nothing for bosses.

I only had one instance of button mashing failiure but after that mashing worked fine

zkylon · Dec 28, 2017

stop getting mad over other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.......

Deleted member 401 · Dec 28, 2017

zkylon said:
stop getting mad over other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.......

For fuck's sake, I disagree!

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

Remember chaps, Street Fighter V 2017 edition is USD 40ish during the sale

bobnowhere · Dec 28, 2017

Hektor · Dec 28, 2017

zkylon said:
stop getting mad over other people's opinions just because you don't agree with them.......

But their opinion is that the game is terrible

zkylon · Dec 28, 2017

btw, can someone explain doki doki to me. like what was so amazing about it. i'm not saying it's bad, just want to know why it blew so many ppl's minds or whatever

Baron von Loathsome said:
For fuck's sake, I disagree!

IM SO ANGRY THIS REVIEWER DIDN'T CONFIRM MY ALREADY-MADE UP OPINION

GOD

GAME JOURNALISM

Anno · Dec 28, 2017

Hektor said:
But their opinion is that the game is terrible

It seems to be more that it's fine, average or good but not great combat combined with bad writing. They're all reserved takes but I didn't see where anyone outright dunked on it.

Deleted member 401 · Dec 28, 2017

Tizoc said:
Remember chaps, Street Fighter V 2017 edition is USD 40ish during the sale

I was gonna wait for the Arcade Edition, but it seems like the stuff that Arcade Edition adds on top of the Deluxe Edition is free anyway, so I pulled the trigger.

MadGear · Dec 28, 2017

Igniz12 said:
What a coinqidink, I started it today too! Got to the insect boss and had to quit cause I had to step away. First impression arn't good but I'll keep playing more later.

I'm not giving up on the game yet either but I'll probably drop the difficulty to normal to just rush through it and see how much more bonkers this game can get.

Hektor · Dec 28, 2017

Anno said:
It seems to be more that it's fine, average or good but not great combat combined with bad writing. They're all reserved takes but I didn't see where anyone outright dunked on it.

The one saying that all of it is boring and that you have to work really hard to find flahses of greatness imply that to me.
At least those aren't things i'd say about a game i'd consider fine.

Anno · Dec 28, 2017

Hektor said:
The one saying that all of it is boring and that you have to work really hard to find flahses of greatness imply that to me.
At least those aren't things i'd say about a game i'd consider fine.

I think his part started with saying it wasn't a bad game, just not very good. So I took that to mean fine, and I understand that some people (who I very much disagree with) might like a fine Mass Effect game more than a lot of other games.

zkylon · Dec 28, 2017

Anno said:
It seems to be more that it's fine, average or good but not great combat combined with bad writing. They're all reserved takes but I didn't see where anyone outright dunked on it.

yeah

ppl if you like nier just be happy you like nier

you don't need eurogamer to tell you nier is good

also ppl that didn't play mass effect andromeda and just watched funny gifs in the internet, you don't need to get mad because someone else actually likes it (and it's fucking #26th in that list, not #1!)

can ppl just, be cool you know?

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

zkylon- Would you play Yakuza 0 if you had the time?

Taito's Wizrogue is USD 2.40 over at gamersgate, lowest price its been in some time
https://www.gamersgate.com/DD-WIZROGUE-LABYRINTH-OF-WIZARDRY/wizrogue-labyrinth-of-wizardry

Deleted member 16569 · Dec 28, 2017

Tizoc said:
Taito's Wizrogue is USD 2.40 over at gamersgate, lowest price its been in some time
https://www.gamersgate.com/DD-WIZROGUE-LABYRINTH-OF-WIZARDRY/wizrogue-labyrinth-of-wizardry

Thanks. I originally passed on the game, because it's (or was) always online (and I feared a short server life), but for that price it's worth a shot. :)

MadGear · Dec 28, 2017

Baron von Loathsome said:
I was gonna wait for the Arcade Edition, but it seems like the stuff that Arcade Edition adds on top of the Deluxe Edition is free anyway, so I pulled the trigger.

I believe you are only missing out on some premium costumes you get for pre-ordering the AE but if you spent some time with the games "singleplayer content" before the AE patch drops you are still rewarded the bonus fight money for completing them. IMO this is actually a good trade-off. It will be a bit of a grind tho, especially playing survival mode (just stick to easy and normal).

Zeeman · Dec 28, 2017

That Eurogamer list is probably why most sites only publish a top 10, you can get to pretty weird shit when you're combining people's lists and one person really liked a middling game. All the more so in a year with such a variety of games that no one could play them all

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

BTW this just launched and has a 40% discount. It is up on Humblebundle.com as well but no discount atm

http://store.steampowered.com/app/672460/Genetic_Disaster/

MadGear said:
I believe you are only missing out on some premium costumes you get for pre-ordering the AE but if you spent some time with the games "singleplayer content" before the AE patch drops you are still rewarded the bonus fight money for completing them. IMO this is actually a good trade-off. It will be a bit of a grind tho, especially playing survival mode (just stick to easy and normal).

This guide helps in getting as much FM as possible for the time being. One has a little under 3 weeks to get them done if they're interested
http://www./forum/showthread.php?t=1408614

Deleted member 16569 · Dec 28, 2017

Tesdant said:
Any word on Tales from Candlekeep: Tomb of Annihilation? One of my old D&D buddies suggested we both buy it and start playing together. Looks like a Diablo clone w/ D&D lore. Just curious if anyone here has played this.

Aren't the Torchlight games multiplayer? Part of me thinks we might be better off w/ a safer bet like that.

I picked up the game recently, and so far I've been enjoy it. But, as Baron von Loathsome mentioned above, the game is a turned-based title, and an entertaining conversion of the tabletop experience, not really a Diablo clone.

As for Torchlight, only Torchlight II has multiplayer, the first game is single-player only.
If you are looking for games similar to Diablo to play with your friend, take a look at Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, or Victor Vran (although do note, for the later, I would recommend a controller, since I personally found the game to work better with one).

Deleted member 16569 · Dec 28, 2017

MadGear said:
I believe you are only missing out on some premium costumes you get for pre-ordering the AE

Is it confirmed current owners of the game won't get those costumes for free?
If true, that is totally lame.

Hektor · Dec 28, 2017

zkylon said:
yeah

ppl if you like nier just be happy you like nier

you don't need eurogamer to tell you nier is good

also ppl that didn't play mass effect andromeda and just watched funny gifs in the internet, you don't need to get mad because someone else actually likes it (and it's fucking #26th in that list, not #1!)

can ppl just, be cool you know?

If the staff actually said "We think Adromeda is a better game than Nier or XCOM2 or Persona 5, or Yakuza 0 or [...]" than that is something i could actually understand.
The entire point of confusion is that their text blurbs imply the opposite.

You say don't get mad about people with different opinion but the things is, that they don't actually have a different opinion.

MadGear · Dec 28, 2017

FunktionJCB said:
Is it confirmed current owners of the game won't get those costumes for free?
If true, that is totally lame.

You definitely won't receive them for free but it seems you can also get them by buying the Season 3 character pass (limited time offer).

Blu · Dec 28, 2017

FunktionJCB said:
Is it confirmed current owners of the game won't get those costumes for free?
If true, that is totally lame.

You get them from preordering physical copies from certain stores or buy the season 3 pass between 1/16-1-31.

Phinor · Dec 28, 2017

Hektor said:
If the staff actually said "We think Adromeda is a better game than Nier or XCOM2 or Persona 5, or Yakuza 0 or [...]" than that is something i could actually understand.
The entire point of confusion is that their text blurbs imply the opposite.

You say don't get mad about people with different opinion but the things is, that they don't actually have a different opinion.

How about few of them liked Nier a lot while others didn't care about it/didn't play it, most of them played Mass Effect Andromeda and multiple people thought it was tolerable enough so that on average it simply ranks above Nier. It's a common problem/feature of lists with many voices. Up to a point mediocre crap can rank high if enough people thought it was, well, mediocre. I don't really see anything controversial here unless they specifically explain somewhere how they chose the games and it conflicts with what's actually on the list.

(Now if Zelda is anywhere in the top 10, then we can talk about how bad the list is considering how average that game is!)

zkylon · Dec 28, 2017

Tizoc said:
zkylon- Would you play Yakuza 0 if you had the time?

nope, i've already watched all the story so there's really no point in spending much time in it i feel

i'd be happy to play a bit cos that breakdance majima stuff looks fun but that's about it

Zeeman said:
That Eurogamer list is probably why most sites only publish a top 10, you can get to pretty weird shit when you're combining people's lists and one person really liked a middling game. All the more so in a year with such a variety of games that no one could play them all

yeah, you're just invited this kind of pointless outrage

Hektor said:
If the staff actually said "We think Adromeda is a better game than Nier or XCOM2 or Persona 5, or Yakuza 0 or [...]" than that is something i could actually understand.
The entire point of confusion is that their text blurbs imply the opposite.

You say don't get mad about people with different opinion but the things is, that they don't actually have a different opinion.

they don't say nier is better than whatever they had at #40 or whatever, and actually they complain a lot about nier too in their little writeup

the little writeups just talk about the one game, comparing mass effect to yakuza or an xcom dlc or nier is just silly, how do you even do that? this is like most other goty lists, averaged and consensed upon, it's not a linear scale and past top 10 (or whatever, depending on the year), ranking is symbolic at best, it's just a listing of important games

hardcastlemccormick · Dec 28, 2017

zkylon said:
btw, can someone explain doki doki to me. like what was so amazing about it. i'm not saying it's bad, just want to know why it blew so many ppl's minds or whatever

I spoilered my summary write up:

a pretty decent visual novel setup (probably being played by folks who don't play many VN's like me) followed by a number of strange, dark twists that are morbidly hilarious followed by some pretty clever metagame conceits. All the while making some not so subtle criticism of anime and VN in general.

Did it blow my mind? No. Had I been told to play it without knowing much else about it, the surprises may have hit harder. As it was, I liked it, but expected some hard right turns. They delivered.

AHA-Lambda · Dec 28, 2017

Ah I hadn't realised this was opened again, praise be! :D

Just finished up playing Wolfenstein 2, overall I quite enjoyed it but who the flying hell thought it was a good idea to

give you half health for the first half of the game

?

zkylon · Dec 28, 2017

hardcastlemccormick said:
I spoilered my summary write up:

a pretty decent visual novel setup (probably being played by folks who don't play many VN's like me) followed by a number of strange, dark twists that are morbidly hilarious followed by some pretty clever metagame conceits. All the while making some not so subtle criticism of anime and VN in general.

Did it blow my mind? No. Had I been told to play it without knowing much else about it, the surprises may have hit harder. As it was, I liked it, but expected some hard right turns. They delivered.

i feel doki doki is a weird game in that i'm very appreciative of them being sensitive enough to put trigger warnings but also knowing that shit is gonna get gruesome kind of spoils the turn quite a bit

but yeah i can see what you see in it, it's not for me, but all of that was definitely in the game i played

Deleted member 19813 · Dec 28, 2017

How difficult is Salt and Sanctuary? Is it on level with Shovel Knight? Cuphead? Dark Souls?

Deleted member 401 · Dec 28, 2017

MadGear said:
I believe you are only missing out on some premium costumes you get for pre-ordering the AE but if you spent some time with the games "singleplayer content" before the AE patch drops you are still rewarded the bonus fight money for completing them. IMO this is actually a good trade-off. It will be a bit of a grind tho, especially playing survival mode (just stick to easy and normal).

Honestly, I don't trust fight money.

Rellik · Dec 28, 2017

I forgot to unsubscribe this week from Humble Monthly (I only want the games from the Quantum Break, Long Dark... etc. month) so if my next billing date from Humble Monthly says 26th January 2018... Am I screwed? :3 And I'll lose the 10% discount on Humble the momento I unsubscribe or I'll keep it until the rest of the games are unveiled?

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

Baron von Loathsome said:
Honestly, I don't trust fight money.

You'd mainly wanna use it to get Stages really.
I'm just saving up so I can end up getting them+Any alts. I missed out on.

zkylon · Dec 28, 2017

fight money is such a good name for virtual currency

Tizoc · Dec 28, 2017

zkylon said:
fight money is such a good name for virtual currency

FYI FM in SF5, far as I've seen for the past 2 years, can't be bought with actual money. It may be a little tedious to obtain but they are obtainable simply by playing through the game. and doing the weekly missions.

MadGear · Dec 28, 2017

Baron von Loathsome said:
Honestly, I don't trust fight money.

Well so far I haven't bought a single character pass because I only buy the characters I'm interested in with fight money (and Balrog by accident) and I still have 400k left for season 3. Admittedly, it's a bit weird learning to play against the characters I don't own since I can't select them for training mode but for the most part I'm fine with learning the matchup by watching replays.

Xater · Dec 28, 2017

FunktionJCB said:
I picked up the game recently, and so far I've been enjoy it. But, as Baron von Loathsome mentioned above, the game is a turned-based title, and an entertaining conversion of the tabletop experience, not really a Diablo clone.

As for Torchlight, only Torchlight II has multiplayer, the first game is single-player only.
If you are looking for games similar to Diablo to play with your friend, take a look at Titan Quest, Grim Dawn, or Victor Vran (although do note, for the later, I would recommend a controller, since I personally found the game to work better with one).

Those board games are cool. I should add this to my wishlist.

cyba89 · Dec 28, 2017

PunishedSnake said:
GMG has a 25% off voucher valid on Automata and its dlc.

What is the code?

Tenrius · Dec 28, 2017

Xater said:
Those board games are cool. I should add this to my wishlist.

Look into Lords of Waterdeep as well.

Xater · Dec 28, 2017

Tenrius said:
Look into Lords of Waterdeep as well.

Already have that on my iPad since release. ;)

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