This probably entered development before COViD so I highly doubt it's related. Even though this clearly has a budget, I doubt it was made in less than two years lol.
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Stranger of Paradise Apparently Uses Unoptimized High Polycount Models
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This probably entered development before COViD so I highly doubt it's related. Even though this clearly has a budget, I doubt it was made in less than two years lol.
330,000 triangles for that bat is a joke.
It almost feels like they just got to a certain point in production where they thought it was too much effort to optimize the models and just said fuck it.
Surely they could have afforded to license simplygon or something similar and trim those models down to something reasonable. The whole game likely would have benefited immensely.
I think that's a safe bet. Maybe when the 4090 or 5090 release we'll finally get reasonable framerates.
I almost think it's more likely modders will find a way to optimize the models for them.
It almost feels like they just got to a certain point in production where they thought it was too much effort to optimize the models and just said fuck it.
Surely they could have afforded to license simplygon or something similar and trim those models down to something reasonable. The whole game likely would have benefited immensely.
I think that's a safe bet. Maybe when the 4090 or 5090 release we'll finally get reasonable framerates.
I almost think it's more likely modders will find a way to optimize the models for them.
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Agreed.
Thank you, guys. I didn't know about the planned DLC. Let's hope they actually do something about the current state of the game before they add more content.
Yeah, you're probably right. That's why I shouldn't make assumptions.
I would love to know more about the development of this game. Lots of weird decisions here.
Yeah this cannot be real, there are loads of methods that can automate or at least make the LODS a lot easier. Did they just forget or not have enough time.
With how high the polycount is they are probably well past the point of diminishing returns so if nothing changes between now and next gen hardware it might be noticable but not extreme. It's normal to create models with extremely high poly counts, it's they are supposed to get optimized and reduced when actually put in game. The high poly versions should probably be saved somewhere so 10 years down the road you can use them in a remaster or something. At some point keeping them in game would just be a waste of space in games that already take over 50gb a piece.
I love this weird fucking game. This just adds another layer to that, because as everyone else said: what? How do you not address this/make this choice?
It's possible some of these are cutscenes models and not gameplay models.
BUT the game runs like garbo both in and out of combat, so it doesn't really matter.
BUT the game runs like garbo both in and out of combat, so it doesn't really matter.
"But can it run the 300k poly bat" would be a funnier way of expressing that lol
Digital Foundry missing out on the game with the highest polycount of the entire generation smh
looking forward to hearing about Ghostwire tho 👀
Yes. Modders on PC can already improve the performance by removing some of the parts or lowering the resolution of some of the models. Will they though is the other question.
Run better yes. But it will always look what it looks like now. The high end textures and models are in game now and not everything in the game is anywhere near that level, just a few outliers. So no, it won't be some secret crysis in a few years.
Square has to be the most wildly inconsistent company I have ever seen. The same company that did this also does FF XIV, DQXI, and FF VII Remake.
The publisher made them ship the game when it wasn't ready.
There is no way the entire dev team "overlooked" doing the optimization pass on the models.
Like was said before, this is how game dev works. You almost always start with high poly/texture assets and have a planned phase in development where you optimize them. They weren't given the opportunity to do so.
I can't remember having many issues with Nioh 2 at all. I can only think of a few situations where perf dropped if you played in Action Mode. Absolutely no need to play in Movie Mode or Variable Mode.
It will run a lot better but it won't look that much better than other 2022 games. A lot of polys in an uncompressed model are wasted and will go unnoticed. It's similar to how an uncompressed song will sound a little better than a high quality MP3 but the enormous difference in size is hardly worth the difference to most people.
Do you? As a hobbyist I always thought of it as a part of creating a model, not a separate stage of development (unless we mean further optimizations and not initial low-poly) and that the high-poly assets aren't used outside baking various detail maps.
No idea about actual production process, tho.
Damn reading through this thread has been hilarious. I hope they eventually release an optimization patch.
Yeah that is true, as far as I'm aware you make the high poly, you then make the low poly from that. Then bake high poly to low poly, and then maybe make some LODs manually if necessary and whatever other optimisations that are needed. It seems like for some reason the decided to skip whole processes probably because of time.
It doesn't seem like Nanite can handle anything that uses bones and mesh deformation.
However, in that one demo video with the giant golem, it looks like they built it Treasure-style out of static parts that were animated to a giant invisible animation skeleton.
So it seems like Nanite objects can move, just not deform.
Oh.... that's why they had to use corridors as the structure for the environment design. Not enough resources to build a complex map
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Lmao there was no need to talk about how unoptimized XIV 1.0 was in theory, ton of people including myself experienced it. My GPU bricked every time I walked into a bush during beta. My friend had to RMA his amd card during the beta. PCs brought to their knees by the power of Tanaka's vision.
Glad to see SE devs carrying on the tradition here.
it won't look amazing 10 years from now since poly count is only one element to how detailed a model can be. Not only that, but poly counts have pretty sharp diminishing returns. It's just poorly optimized. Imagine watering a plant using a fire hydrant instead of a jug of water.
