Balrog was based off Mike Tyson. His name is actually M.Bison.
Street Fighter has so much untapped potential with regards to being progressive with its female fighters & black/brown characters
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Balrog was based off Mike Tyson. His name is actually M.Bison.
2nd Impact, who's the best?
They made a 3rd version of the game to KEEP HIM DOWN
He also got a tiny teeny bit of character development by giving him a pinch of humanization with Ed. Would love to see them going further with that.
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I was gonna say that Balrog becoming Ed's adoptive father was the best thing to ever happen to Balrog, but you beat me to it.
Maybe it continues into the future.
Maybe rog just teaches kids how to box maybe?
I'm hoping for too much
Eh, kinda disagree.
SF certainly has more opportunities (which it already used in the recent and distant past as you've put in your examples), but there's also no real reason for them to expand in a direction while restricting the other direction like you want.
For the female fighters body types, like you say in the text accompanying that, the picture is actually not representative and excluding characters like Menat, Falke, Ibuki or Sakura (or even Nadeshiko). Even Mika has a pretty different bodytype from the others.
His character is one of a cheater and unlawful character. Unlike Dudley, who is his complete opposite and also black.
SC6 is worse than DOA6 in that regard (not talking about DOA5 which was on the level of SC6).
SF certainly has more opportunities (which it already used in the recent and distant past as you've put in your examples), but there's also no real reason for them to expand in a direction while restricting the other direction like you want.
For the female fighters body types, like you say in the text accompanying that, the picture is actually not representative and excluding characters like Menat, Falke, Ibuki or Sakura (or even Nadeshiko). Even Mika has a pretty different bodytype from the others.
He'd be white, he'd have the same stereotype.
His character is one of a cheater and unlawful character. Unlike Dudley, who is his complete opposite and also black.
Wth is a "boob fighter audience"? Let's not act like SFIV wasn't like this either (it just had a different artstyle).
SC doesn't have losing poses you can turn the camera around, but then again, DOA doesn't have a character customizer where you can rotate the camera around either.
SC6 is worse than DOA6 in that regard (not talking about DOA5 which was on the level of SC6).
Fun fact: Capcom has been making suplementary world building posts in their blog giving backgrounds to even the most superflous NPCs in the series. In Street Fighter 1 there was a Balrog Looking boxer called Mike, which they made explicitly clear is an entirely different character and they expanded on this by saying that, contrasting with Balrog, Mike is a good guy who helps his community.
Balrog will have good possibilities with the storyline the game is building because, Ed is being prepped up to become the new Vessel for Bison, so if that ultimately happens to Ed it would be awesome to have Balrog go full good guy in his quest for vengance over Bison taking Ed over.
Imagine if Disney took this stance and leaned into the blackface minstrel inspirations behind their iconic cartoon characters. Kill this nonsense.
The stereotyping in Street Fighter is the result of Capcom being clumsy with their diverse cast. It's hard to blame them, because they didn't really have other examples to follow in the gaming space back in '87, '91, or even '99. Street Fighter is pioneering in that aspect. That said, there are plenty games handling diverse rosters much better than Street Fighter now. It's time for the leaders to catch up now.
Hmm...Yeah you're right, forgot about CaS. Not going to disagree about how bad SC turned in that regard (and well, In general, I heavily disliked 6 beta as an old fan of the series).
He's british and black, but nothing indicates indian origins.
He might apparently have been inspired by Chris Eubank.
You got the British part right. He's likely inspired by Chris Eubank, who was a pretty dominant British middleweight in the 80s and 90s.
Imagine if a company that are not currently racist, leant into some very overtly racist imagery. Yes, that would be racist.
I agree with the broader point. Capcom can do better.
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Dont forget that they have taken critiscisms seriously with regards to Poisons transgender identity in SFxT for instance. Pre-release pretty much all the characters had win quotes calling her a man, referring to her as it or whatnot and other troubling statements about her gender. After talking with an LGBTQ orginization they changed and removed all of that however and instead focused on fleshing out the character instead of making her a one note transgender joke.
Also, don't forget that Cammy design is super close to a doll.
You know the thing the whole point of her personality is to be literally traumatized of.
Not exactly. Lots of characters fall outside of ethnic stereotypes. Ken, Dictator, Mika, Sean.... hell nobody even remembers where Remy is from.
No. I don't even know how someone can say that women in the series have "pretty different bodytypes" with a straight face where the male counterpart includes dhalsim, zangief, ryu, abigail and e-honda.
I mean look at abigail. His muscles doesn't make sense. So why not making a super bulky "muscles don't make sense" women? A fat one? An ridiculously slim and super tall one?
You know the thing the whole point of her personality is to be literally traumatized of.
Not exactly. Lots of characters fall outside of ethnic stereotypes. Ken, Dictator, Mika, Sean.... hell nobody even remembers where Remy is from.
No. I don't even know how someone can say that women in the series have "pretty different bodytypes" with a straight face where the male counterpart includes dhalsim, zangief, ryu, abigail and e-honda.
I mean look at abigail. His muscles doesn't make sense. So why not making a super bulky "muscles don't make sense" women? A fat one? An ridiculously slim and super tall one?
I know Balrog is based on Mike Tyson but none of the heavily negative racial stereotypes should apply here. It's 2019. Perpetuating a negative racial stereotype based on a guy who lost his fortune in the 80's/ early 90's just seems wrong and out of place.
Especially when you consider the same characters victory quotes to someone like Ken who comes from money. The entire victory quote against Balrog is wrong, period. And we should be demanding better of capcom. I don't want to make a big deal out of it. I'm just stating that it's wrong.
Well, he kidnapped/rescued (i mean, he technically stole him....but from a prison for bison clones) him originally to see if he could sell him and regardless of them growing fond of each other as family, Balrog did Monetize the shit out of Ed's powers.
It's dismissive comments like this that I was hoping to avoid.
damn rufus was bad ass what happenedBRING BACK THE ORIGINAL RUFUS CONCEPT YOU COWARDS!
THIS MAN TURNED INTO THIS SOMEHOW
While on the topic of LGBT representation, i wonder what would the reaction would be to have M. Bison straight up come out as non binary, i mean, the dude both makes female and male clones from their DNA and the good part of his soul became a woman, seems to me like Bison has a very fluid concept of their own gender.
Plus it would be quite an unexpected twist if Bison picked Falke as their new Vessel instead of Ed.
I fully expect them in threads like this. Especially that disingenuous first reply. Jeez.
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I mean, Bison's dead now, so they sadly won't be able to touch on the subject. But it would have been interesting if Capcom went there & handled it correctly.
How wouod Bison even come out as none Binary? He plays with the dolls but they are substandard replacement vessels so its why he goes deep into cloning. Bison doesny care if its man or women as long its strong and can hold his insane. Spirit.
I mean Rose became a person because she is a part purged from Bison who got a body of its own to become herself.
We dont even know how old Bison is or if the body we see him in is his original body or just the body of the strongest most suitable being he could find.
Juri still stands as one of my all-time favorite characters in the past decade. We don't get a lot of Villians/Anti-Hero's, so she has filled in quite a needed spot.
Death cannot stop Bison, he's died before and Ed's storyline right now is about how Bison's soul is still on the prowl for a new Vessel, Rose and Menat seem to believe Ed is gonna be the new Vessel, which is what caused Ed to go on his own self dicorvey journey and forming Neo Shadaloo.
But Ed is not the only possible Vessel, there Abel, Falke and even Cammy or Decapre as options, so it could be a plot twist if Bison picked Falke instead of any other Vessel.
Just picking a female Vessel could be enough of a statement but if they want to be hammy about it they just could also have a character ask why Bison picked up a female vessel and have Bison reply something along the lines of "Gender means nothing to me" or whatever.
Bruh...bison "Died" like three times already.
and the clones, especially Ed and Falke struggle with "fighting his ghost" it seems, and FANG (at least in the comics) is trying to constantly bring him back. The dude hibernated in Rose's body for who knows how long.
Bison aint gonna die, and his "Psycho abilities" will allow him to come back again and again, dude was even laughing as he blew apart because it ultimately doesnt even matter.
I don't think they have any reason to justify it. No matter what a female character looks like there's a sizable portion of people out there that it's their waifu and they'll buy every skin for it available. Tapping in that fetish market dollars might even be smart.
Cammy is a rip/homage to battle angel Alita actually...
Yeah she is Slits and a barbie doll mixed together.
Her and her sisters are Pretty much just barbie dolls for Bison to play dress up with and use as soldiers when he needs and maybe take their body if none of his clones are ready.
not only that, but they backtracked on calling her trans once there was blow back from people who whined that they were uncomfortable with being attracted to a FICTIONAL CHARACTER because she was trans.
Also they seemed to have a not so small community of people who love feet going by some of the comments on the street fighter board during character announcements
When a large part of Capcom's revenue for these games comes from costumes, it's doubtful the sexualization will ever be toned down.
Especially when most fans of the series don't often complain about the sexualization in the first place.
Especially when most fans of the series don't often complain about the sexualization in the first place.
I'd really want to see a SF game move 7 to 8 years forward and have Sakura, Sean, and perhaps Ed be the three most important characters.
They didnt backtrack though its been canon since her reappearance in SF4 that she is trans and works as a promoter for Hugo. They made mistakes but just leaned all the way into now.
hmm if we jump forwarf that much its going to be Kens kid who is going to be in the for front because he will be almost 16 by then. Also Sakura wouod most definitely be with Ryu by that time and have a kid as well.
We would have Fangs female apprentice, the girl from chin lis orphanage and whoever elsr she teaches to fight and at least 1 of Japan's 16 children (him and his wife must be tired as a motherfucker)
I definitely remember their SF producer at the time, Ono coming out and saying how Poison is "whatever you want her to be" after he stated how she was trans initially and got complaints about it.