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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 9 | New Decade, Same Old Debates
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It sucks because the reasoning was the hat taunt but we didn't even get Terry throwing his hat off outside of the victory screen. I would have been okay with the trade off if he at least got that as a taunt.
Platinum is gonna have a rude awakening when they rerelease the game and it bombs again. The problem with TW101 was not the platform, but the core concept. If it didn't find a niche with Nintendo audiences it won't find a niche anywhere.
Honestly, I wouldn't mind even Garou Terry fixing an invisible hat in his idle animations or throwing it during his victory screen
Female Byleth only has a modified stance, idle pose, two taunts, and two victory poses that are conceptually identical to male Byleth's but look more feminine. It's similar to Inkling and Pokémon Trainer.
Garou Terry, on the other hand, would need:
Garou Terry, on the other hand, would need:
- modified jumping animations (he holds his cap in place on the way down)
- modified up air attack (he holds his cap in place)
- modified forward throw (he tips his cap)
- modified back throw (he tips his cap)
- modified Rising Tackle (he holds his cap in place)
- modified Power Dunk (he turns his cap around)
- brand new idle pose
- brand new down taunt
- three brand new victory poses
I mean, it's not any less accessible or compelling than any of their other pure character action games. Obviously that's not a huge bar to reach sales-wise, but if Astral Chain can sell decently then W101 should be able to.
W101 just came before Platinum had gained as much of a following (only 6 months after Revengence), didn't have a great marketing push, and was stuck on the Wii U. Pretty much a perfect storm of bomba.
He has a victory screen animation that's just flipping off Alph and laughing
It's a character action game with and isometric point of view that more closely resembles RTSes, but instead of having the ability to micromanage all of the player's units it demands responses with reaction times more akin to Bayonetta/Devil May Cry. All without the freedom of movement those games have due to the 2D plane most of the action is confined too. It tries to straddle the line between two very different genres while misunderstanding why the theme used for its world is appealing in the first place (let's make a bombastic super hero game! buuuuuuuuuuut all of the action is compartmentalised and minimised into a very small portion of the screen).
I think TW101 is most similar to Pikmin, so if there was any audience willing to try it out it was Nintendo's. And that just didn't happen.
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I thought he specifically lost it in Garou? Am I getting his signature moves mixed up? He lost something for dumb reasons
Ahh, i see. Makes more sense
yeah i blanked hard on that
Failnaught behaves really strangely on Mario Galaxy
It doesn't curve, unlike other projectiles, so you can sort of "aim" it by positioning yourself properly.
It doesn't curve, unlike other projectiles, so you can sort of "aim" it by positioning yourself properly.
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So after playing basically nothing but Byleth for the past few days I do think the character flows better than people give their credit for. The problem is that their mobility does all it can to drag it down hard.
The character is actually just too slow. Their moveset is well done but her mobility really doesn't allow it to come together. Honestly I don't even know why Sakurai said this character is just barely more mobile than Robin when that's pretty much false when taking her entire mobility into account. Sure their Dash and run speed are barely better than Robin but their jump height and especially Air Speed are significantly worse. At least Robin had solid air speed so that in conjunction with their Levin Sword aerials meant that Robin could control space very well. Hell if Robin had a proper killing grab I think they could be high tier. But back on Byleth the poor air speed means that it's awkward for Byleth to control space with their aerials, which on paper should be very good at doing it, and especially gives them a terrible disadvantage state. It's like on every possible mobility stat they thought to give them some of the worst in the game without thinking it it's really necessary.
So currently I think Byleth is a mid tier due to having a solid gameplan with fundamentals and shield breaker gimmicks. Side B is damn good, sweet spot fair and bair are powerful, Nair is really solid, and their tilts are nice except for D Tilt as it's too slow to be that useful even as a combo option. I thought her D Smash wasn't that great but honestly I do think it ties their design well as it does give her more of an answer on shields even if it isn't reliable but if Byleth was able to chase down people better than they would be super scary when you have a low shield. There's other parts of their kit that I could be better at using such as Up B which I constantly forget about and works as an OOS option, anti air, and especially cheeky edge guard. Though with that said I hate how finnicky it can be at ledge and find your self at the perfect angle but Up B decides to grab the ledge despite not even facing against it.
Byleth needs some buffs to be at a proper state even if not necessarily high tier. Better Air Speed is the most important buff and I'd argue is necessary as it really drags her down to an unnecessary degree and I don't even think would break them. She could keep their ground speed but a better air speed would do so much for them. I'd also like Fair in particular to get a slightly bigger sweetspot and less end lag. I think this would be a nice QOL that would help their spacing game alot. D tilt should be faster like at least frame 10 so it works as a more consistent hard read option compared to F tilt which out classes it in every way. Also bigger hitbox to consistently 2 frame with and hit people at ledge. Up B having an option to hold the B Button to prioritize grabbing opponents rather than ledge. Also maybe a kill throw like Back Throw killing at ledge at like 130 or something. I think all of those would do good at making Byleth better without making them too oppressive.
The character is actually just too slow. Their moveset is well done but her mobility really doesn't allow it to come together. Honestly I don't even know why Sakurai said this character is just barely more mobile than Robin when that's pretty much false when taking her entire mobility into account. Sure their Dash and run speed are barely better than Robin but their jump height and especially Air Speed are significantly worse. At least Robin had solid air speed so that in conjunction with their Levin Sword aerials meant that Robin could control space very well. Hell if Robin had a proper killing grab I think they could be high tier. But back on Byleth the poor air speed means that it's awkward for Byleth to control space with their aerials, which on paper should be very good at doing it, and especially gives them a terrible disadvantage state. It's like on every possible mobility stat they thought to give them some of the worst in the game without thinking it it's really necessary.
So currently I think Byleth is a mid tier due to having a solid gameplan with fundamentals and shield breaker gimmicks. Side B is damn good, sweet spot fair and bair are powerful, Nair is really solid, and their tilts are nice except for D Tilt as it's too slow to be that useful even as a combo option. I thought her D Smash wasn't that great but honestly I do think it ties their design well as it does give her more of an answer on shields even if it isn't reliable but if Byleth was able to chase down people better than they would be super scary when you have a low shield. There's other parts of their kit that I could be better at using such as Up B which I constantly forget about and works as an OOS option, anti air, and especially cheeky edge guard. Though with that said I hate how finnicky it can be at ledge and find your self at the perfect angle but Up B decides to grab the ledge despite not even facing against it.
Byleth needs some buffs to be at a proper state even if not necessarily high tier. Better Air Speed is the most important buff and I'd argue is necessary as it really drags her down to an unnecessary degree and I don't even think would break them. She could keep their ground speed but a better air speed would do so much for them. I'd also like Fair in particular to get a slightly bigger sweetspot and less end lag. I think this would be a nice QOL that would help their spacing game alot. D tilt should be faster like at least frame 10 so it works as a more consistent hard read option compared to F tilt which out classes it in every way. Also bigger hitbox to consistently 2 frame with and hit people at ledge. Up B having an option to hold the B Button to prioritize grabbing opponents rather than ledge. Also maybe a kill throw like Back Throw killing at ledge at like 130 or something. I think all of those would do good at making Byleth better without making them too oppressive.
I've had the worst dream during my nap. Someone datamined Pass 2 data from a different Bandai Namco game and it was something like SMT4 guy, Fire Emblem antagonist who normally did magic but datamine said he had a sword now, some sort of Batman parody from KoF15 and three FF7 characters.
So what's the twist with the Wonderful 101 port that Emily was teasing? It sounds like something beyond just it coming to PC or PS4
God in one day I went from having written off ever hearing about one of my favorite games again to now anxiously waiting on the edge of my seat for some mysterious new announcement.
God in one day I went from having written off ever hearing about one of my favorite games again to now anxiously waiting on the edge of my seat for some mysterious new announcement.
If two of the FF7 characters are Tifa and Barret then them plus Flynn makes that pass sound pretty good for me.
Either the EGS exclusive guess everyone in the Direct thread is making or Nintendo still owns it but it comes to everything so people go nuts speculating if anything else of Nintendo's is gonna follow it are my guesses.
I don't think a lot of people are thinking it would do much better, it coming to other platforms too is the big, weird point of the discussion.
I'm just waiting on that glorious day we can play W101 without gamepad's shitty rumble.
So I'm pretty hype right now
So I'm pretty hype right now
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Yeah, it's funny how they wouldn't respond to some posts when they took some tease jabs at people who overhyped themselves or being overconfident about Jan Direct.
Here I am and thinking that we wouldn't get a direct until March.
Oh God no.
I'm okay with three Final Fantasy characters as long as they're not from VII.
A ground pound would have been an excellent movement option for Byleth. Their disadvantage state is terrible, particularly when trying to land. Plus, there is nothing to even do after using up special except land, since they get no follow ups.
Fought a few Byleths for the first time.
They're as painfully generic as I figured they'd be but the Up-B using another character as a step is pretty cool.
Also I think I ran into a Smash youtuber and I accidentally SD'd so I might become internet famous.
They're as painfully generic as I figured they'd be but the Up-B using another character as a step is pretty cool.
Also I think I ran into a Smash youtuber and I accidentally SD'd so I might become internet famous.
You can bounce people off platforms into a buffered Side B and other attacks depending on weight/damage/positioning and stuff.
It's not necessarily a consistent option but it is an option if you catch them in the right spot.
You can, but you can DI in and down to kill that option completely.
Funny how well this would work, well, SE gonna SE
Love Black Nerd Comedy. Happy for the Shantae shout-out, and he knows his classic games so his choices didn't surprise me, even his joke picks. lol
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