I don't know how anyone can look at this video and believe the writer/director's statement. It's pretty blatant.
Have you seen the comparison video? Forget the story. There are whole scenes that are lifted 1:1 from that other animated film.
Let me put it this way. Imagine someone doing what Disney did but to say one of Disney's projects. How fast do you think Disney would have sued them into oblivion?
Yes, I am well aware but there weren't really forums like there are today.
The most and The Lion King being back in the news is everyone going extra hard to pretend they care about "Kimba the White Lion."
Most people who bring this up have never even seen the damn thing. And say they do come out and admit that borrowed from it. What exactly does that do? The Lion King will remain one of the most beloved animated films ever, and Kimba will remain some obscure anime most people have never heard of.
The internet chooses the strangest hills to die on.
Have you seen the comparison video? Forget the story. There are whole scenes that are lifted 1:1 from that other animated film.
Let me put it this way. Imagine someone doing what Disney did but to say one of Disney's projects. How fast do you think Disney would have sued them into oblivion?
Wait, why on earth does it mather Kimba is obscure?The most and The Lion King being back in the news is everyone going extra hard to pretend they care about "Kimba the White Lion."
Most people who bring this up have never even seen the damn thing. And say they do come out and admit that borrowed from it. What exactly does that do? The Lion King will remain one of the most beloved animated films ever, and Kimba will remain some obscure anime most people have never heard of.
The internet chooses the strangest hills to die on.
That's not the point. They straight out copied scenes from Kimba.Lol Lion King is Hamlet for kids with lions. If it's a rip-off so is everything else.
Lol Lion King is Hamlet for kids with lions. If it's a rip-off so is everything else.
Have you seen the comparison video? Forget the story. There are whole scenes that are lifted 1:1 from that other animated film.
Let me put it this way. Imagine someone doing what Disney did but to say one of Disney's projects. How fast do you think Disney would have sued them into oblivion?
Watch the video postedLol Lion King is Hamlet for kids with lions. If it's a rip-off so is everything else.
Have you seen the comparison video? Forget the story. There are whole scenes that are lifted 1:1 from that other animated film.
Let me put it this way. Imagine someone doing what Disney did but to say one of Disney's projects. How fast do you think Disney would have sued them into oblivion?
They commented that they feel uncomfortable about the situation but don't have the funds to go after DisneyI never believed their lies but never saw a side by side comparison, but how the fuck can anyone deny this obvious rip-off? Have the owners of Kimba never tried suing Disney over it?
The most and The Lion King being back in the news is everyone going extra hard to pretend they care about "Kimba the White Lion."
Most people who bring this up have never even seen the damn thing. And say they do come out and admit that borrowed from it. What exactly does that do? The Lion King will remain one of the most beloved animated films ever, and Kimba will remain some obscure anime most people have never heard of.
The internet chooses the strangest hills to die on.
This topic is not about Star Wars, also George Lucas is very honest about the inspiration he used to make SW.Also if stealing some specific shots for your movie is a war crime then I've got some bad news for you about the original Star Wars.
TLK has various shots that were likely stolen from Kimba by an animation supervisor, but the actual stories have nothing in common and many of the comparison videos on the internet are out of context. You'll notice Woolverton is specifically talking about the story of the film, which she wrote, and which is not similar to Kimba. She is defending her writing as not being a ripoff.
The problem is it's difficult to defend TLK because the narrative basically writes itself: the evil American colonizer corporation stole the innocent Japanese anime and if you try to defend it, you're defending a megacorporation. Disney is so hated in film circles and anime so revered that there's not really a way to defend the film so there's no point in trying.
TLK has various shots that were likely stolen from Kimba by an animation supervisor, but the actual stories have nothing in common and many of the comparison videos on the internet are out of context. You'll notice Woolverton is specifically talking about the story of the film, which she wrote, and which is not similar to Kimba. She is defending her writing as not being a ripoff.
The problem is it's difficult to defend TLK because the narrative basically writes itself: the evil American colonizer corporation stole the innocent Japanese anime and if you try to defend it, you're defending a megacorporation. Disney is so hated in film circles and anime so revered that there's not really a way to defend the film so there's no point in trying.
TLK has various shots that were likely stolen from Kimba by an animation supervisor, but the actual stories have nothing in common and many of the comparison videos on the internet are out of context. You'll notice Woolverton is specifically talking about the story of the film, which she wrote, and which is not similar to Kimba. She is defending her writing as not being a ripoff.
The problem is it's difficult to defend TLK because the narrative basically writes itself: the evil American colonizer corporation stole the innocent Japanese anime and if you try to defend it, you're defending a megacorporation. Disney is so hated in film circles and anime so revered that there's not really a way to defend the film so there's no point in trying.
At least they will be honest about what and where they borrowed from.The most and The Lion King being back in the news is everyone going extra hard to pretend they care about "Kimba the White Lion."
Most people who bring this up have never even seen the damn thing. And say they do come out and admit that borrowed from it. What exactly does that do?
"It was never discussed and there was no intentional parallel ever made that I was ever aware of,"
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The similarities are undeniable.
Huh. Lion king was released in 1994. What message board did Roy Disney post in?
TLK has various shots that were likely stolen from Kimba by an animation supervisor, but the actual stories have nothing in common and many of the comparison videos on the internet are out of context. You'll notice Woolverton is specifically talking about the story of the film, which she wrote, and which is not similar to Kimba. She is defending her writing as not being a ripoff.
The problem is it's difficult to defend TLK because the narrative basically writes itself: the evil American colonizer corporation stole the innocent Japanese anime and if you try to defend it, you're defending a megacorporation. Disney is so hated in film circles and anime so revered that there's not really a way to defend the film so there's no point in trying.
? of course there were. Message boards are one of the oldest concepts on the internet. They just weren't on the World Wide Web. You had BBSs, newsgroups and the channels offered by ISPs like aol/prodigy/compuserv
This was used in an early presentation for The Lion King.
All just one big coincidence.
Matthew Broderick also told everyone he was going to play "Kimba" for a while, when asked why he said he must have gotten confused and it was Simba.
He said he was familiar with the Kimba anime before he got the role...
From what I understand, and it's based off information that was available at the time, Tezuka Productions had shopped around to work with an International studio in the late 80s, with the title being Kimba specifically. It's likely Disney and Tezuka Productions had initially negotiated and began early work on the project. We know during the early production phase of the movie, it was still a Kimba project, but reportedly the deal ultimately ended up falling through.
It's not clear why, but someone pointed out the death of Tezuka in 1989 likely contributed to the project falling apart.
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As for the story, it's clearly influenced or borrowed elements of that of Kimba (as well as other influences at the time). I think what ultimately happened is that the studio ultimately decided to salvage the project and re-work it into the concept that is known today.
Settle your tea kettle. I'm fully aware of the connections between the two and not defending Disney. I saw Kimba when I was a kid and picked up on it immediately. I know it's a thing. I'm more over people bringing it up every single time The Lion King is mentioned as some kind of "Gotcha!" or like Kimba was this great piece of art that was somehow robbed. Most of yall don't give a single slice of a fuck about Kimba, and you know you don't. It's a tired conversation, and one that is never going to have a resolution cause Disney is NEVER going to admit to that shit.What the fuck does the popularity of the movies have to do with this???
Disney ripped the hell out of other peoples work, made billions off of it and still acts like they never even heard of the original even though their early concepts clearly show that Simba had white fur and was named Kimba.
Why would you even defend Disney on this??? Are you paid by them or are you just being delusional and don't want to accept that your favourite childhood movie was not so original.
It doesn't, but I'm trying to understand people's motives here. Do you want Kimba to suddenly become this massive hit? Or is this just about sticking it to Disney? I'm assuming the latter, and in that case, I feel there's a lot more heinous shit you could go at Disney over than this.
Who's defending them? I'm not. I don't really care about people attacking Disney for shit, nor do would anything anyone says on here ever affect enjoyment of The Lion King or anything else for that matter. I find the Kimba thing annoying because it's been decades and folks still bring it up like fresh. This is just a lot of carrying on for an anime most of y'all don't really care about over an issue that's been a known thing for almost 3 decades. Like, every Lion King thread eventually has people complaining about Kimba. Really? Hearing Disney say, "We goofed" means that much to you?I'd say "defending the plagiarism of a highly litigious, billion dollar corporation that singlehandedly dismantled US copyright law for its own profit" is a much weirder hill to die on than "taking somebody else's work is wrong."
No one's saying you can't or shouldn't like TLK anymore. It's not a demand to call someone on their bullshit.
I feel if the people who actually made Kimba felt a way about it to the point that getting sued was a possibility - or at least, worth the hassle - they'd have done something by now rather than waiting for millenials on the internet to raise a stink about it. The Lion King has been a thing for going on 30 years; plenty of time to put together a case. And hey. If they put that case together, I'll happily root for them and wish them all the best. However, that's not really happening, is it?At least they will be honest about what and where they borrowed from.
But, hey, plausible deniability is better than risking to be sued, it isn't?
It doesn't, but I'm trying to understand people's motives here. Do you want Kimba to suddenly become this massive hit? Or is this just about sticking it to Disney?