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Telltale seems to be switching to Unity as their engine
- Thread starter Nirolak
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Dunning-Kruger effect remains as strong as ever.
Same as last gen all the people complaining about what a "shit engine" Gamebryo was because of Oblivion, ignoring how Civ / Bully / Catherine etc ran
Man, Unity is such a bad engine with no redeeming features. All games made with it run like and are shit.
Just look at Cuphead, Ori, Hollow Knight, Inside, Night in the Woods, Snipperclips, Superhot, Overcooked, Hearthstone, Dream Daddy, Kerbal Space Program...
Just look at Cuphead, Ori, Hollow Knight, Inside, Night in the Woods, Snipperclips, Superhot, Overcooked, Hearthstone, Dream Daddy, Kerbal Space Program...
This is a welcome change given Telltale's habit of releasing all of their games for every system as quickly as possible. I'm sure technical issues will continue given most designer's bad Unity habits, but at least it's with a more familiar engine which should at least make trouble shooting easier. Hopefully this should help with Telltale's fast episode turn-around. Telltale still needs more dedicated programmers but this is still a welcome change. Fuck the Unity haters.
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Will this be for new Seasons coming out this year, like Wolf Among Us 2? Or will that still be on the current one?
Thank you. Unity gets so much shit based on the amount of shit it's name is attached to, but in the hands of actual developers and not asset flippers, it can be good.
The only question would be the console optimization and given Telltales desire to have their games on literally every platform known to man, that could be concerning for them. But of course, remains to be seen.
Why?
Unity is way more flexible, and I doubt any of the rendering features of UE could've helped.
Unity's history. But maybe that's due to the developers. I'd think UE4 would be better suited to deal with the wide berth of platforms their games release on.
Edit: maybe nvm - https://www.resetera.com/threads/un...vements-in-2018-1-graphics-performance.17890/
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That looks like a pretty amazing tool. Unity should buy it off you and put it in the core engine. :)
I honestly fail to see how much contribution either your first post or your second post are. In a forum where people appreciate elaborate responses, its difficult to appreciate those that resemble nothing more but oneliners.
Evidently, the answer should be obvious if you care about the Telltale games. Noticed how they are on pretty much every platform ever? For all the shit the Telltale Tool gets (rightfully so), it is quite amazing how many platforms it supported. Plus, mobile platforms seemed to have less issues than PC or something like that. So yeah, not the best engine, but you gotta admire its multi-platform approaches.
Unity 4 and below were likely the culprits to this train of thought that ''Its Unity, so it will stutter''. Starting from Unity 5, the engine has matured significantly, to the point where having this argument is kinda nonsensical. Its better applied to the Telltale Tool, or to Bethsofts, Creation Engine when it comes to ''buggy'' engines.
People have this idea in their head that Unity never grew out of its shell. Granted, till Unity 4, the engine had a terrible garbage collector, but it got massively improved with 5 onwards. If people still claim that ''Unity sucks'', then likely they aren't interested in the engine in the first place.
Which is a shame. Book of the Dead and the Adam movies showcase how far the engine has gone since the Unity 3/4 days.
Instead of making a quick drive-by, Anything meaningful to add? Or is this the level of conversation we have to engage ourselves in?
They have, till Unity 5. So anyone continuing this narrative that Unity sucks likely bases that opinion on the older versions of the engine. Unity today isnt the Unity of back then.
What's up with these ''I quote because i agree'' posts and then add a dot in your own post? Not exactly meaningful.
Well, it was versatile atleast in the sense that it supported every platform under the sun.
But an upgrade to Unity is a good one. Its cheap, it also supports more platforms than UE4, has a lot more compatibility with older hardware, so, good choice.
Why do they need this tho? Unless they plan to keep releasing games for 360, PS3 and Wii U.
Unironically, that's not a wild impossibilty. Telltale titles have been on X360 as recent as 2016 i believe. Not saying that Unity games by Telltale will target those platforms, but some platforms have some crossovers with others, and i reckon that it comes in handy for Telltale to have these older frameworks around that they could easily adapt themselves to. Say, New 3DS and Wii. Both their GPU's have some crossover tech, so you can use Unity to have that legacy code be kept in intact.
I agree - but having some sort of thumbs up button functionality in the forum would solve this.
I'm not responsible for those kinds of decisions, but as a poster myself I think it's a poor idea. It would negatively influence posting behavior and encourage people to dogpile. Back on topic though, please.
I noticed this playing Batman on PS4. Does it do that across all platforms or other games?
A lot of Unity's implementation problems arguably stem from it being effectively closed source.
Even if they don't optimise for unity, i think it'll run a lot better than their current janky engine. Like seriously, I've yet to play a TT game that didn't feel like it was falling apart every time a transition was happening.
Also, unity being such a flexable engine means we might see a lot more innovative things done by future TT games. The old engine didn't even have physics IIRC. While Unity will allow then to possibly have new gameplay modes and just experiement a bit more.
Also, unity being such a flexable engine means we might see a lot more innovative things done by future TT games. The old engine didn't even have physics IIRC. While Unity will allow then to possibly have new gameplay modes and just experiement a bit more.
Unity and UE4 are both the best engines out there, and how well they perform is really up to the devs.
I don't see this as anything but a good thing. Unity has been successfully used in a wide variety of genres. RPGs, adventure, platformer, puzzle, racing, shooter, etc. It can easily handle a cinematic adventure game, as Beyond the Storm proved.
People still make the mistake of blaming Unity for the shortcomings of developers. It's the developer's responsibility to optimize the game. If a Unity game runs poorly, there's a 99.9% chance that it's the developer's fault, not the engine's.
People still make the mistake of blaming Unity for the shortcomings of developers. It's the developer's responsibility to optimize the game. If a Unity game runs poorly, there's a 99.9% chance that it's the developer's fault, not the engine's.
I would like to retract my statement. Apparently, at that time of posting that post you quoted, I was unaware Unity 2018.1 beta has been released.
Now, after reading about Unity 2018 and its focus on performance for everything related to the Unity3D engine, I can finally say, this year will be awesome.
Hopefully, Unity can actually turn out for good when it comes to improving the overall performances on console hardware.
That introduces the Reputation points, something that the default Xenforo Forums software supports. I think it was turned off because it can be abused back and forth between moderators and privileged members, and that's not a good thing when the whole forum facilitates equal discussion among peers and professionals.
It can be difficult to fix performance issues when you don't have source code access. CryEngine and Unreal 4 don't have this problem because the source is freely available on Github. With Unity, you have to negotiate an undisclosed sum for source code access.
Speaking of that can't think of a single Unity 60fps game on console that's not 2D
just started ep5 in the batman telltale game. WTF is this choppy piece of crap? So much stuttering.
I dont know if this is good news or not because Unity has been pretty bad with some games.
I dont know if this is good news or not because Unity has been pretty bad with some games.
Unity is not responsible for performance, the developers are. So as long as they are not completely incompetent, future games should run much better.
Agreed, as would a 'please' or 'thank you' when mods are asking someone not to do something.
Hollow Knight runs fine though? Never heard of people having performance issues with it, and it's not even on consoles.
Oh, please don't. All that will do is introduce more incentive to dogpile. What if you are going to write a long rant against the moderation or a poster, completely off topic, yet it gets 60+ likes because its ''telling it like it is'' and ''telling the truth''.
Do we really want that? Instead of treating the staff as fellow users like they are, we have to have an ''us versus them'' mentality going on? Because that's what a thumbs up button would do. You will also get people thumbing up every post regardless of content, especially when its post that steer towards a specific direction - A great tool for shitposters and trolls, i would say.
Hence why the other side has this in place and you see the aforementioned behavior already taking place. Fluffy social media things like thumbs ups, +1's, and what not should not belong to a forum imo where opinions are so diverse as ERA.
Ever since Unity 5 the performance is up instead of down, so i think its good to lay the ''Unity sucks'' meme be put down. (Not that you were using it, mind you). Unity is ever etching closer to AAA quality visuals and general good performance. The fact it will have a seperate movie module makes it interesting for CGI commercials like UE4 is used for now.
Or just don't make dumb dot posts if you have nothing worthwile to contribute? Also, meta-complaining about the staff is best reserved to a PM to the staff and not publically here.
(I know why you are doing it, though.)
Bomberman R (Switch) is 60 FPS in multiplayer after a patch
Hopefully Telltale will be able to do a good job transitioning to Unity, and hopefully this will give them the opportunity to build their tools so that they natively support non-16:9 aspect ratios. The type of game they make really benefits from wider aspect ratio support.
I'm always hesitant when I see companies using Unity, but Deck Nine did a good job with Life Is Strange: Before the Storm last year, so hopefully that will also be true for Telltale's games.
Telltale themselves seem to have done a good job improving their engine recently. On PC at least, Batman: The Enemy Within has been running completely smoothly for me, even across scene transitions.
Then again, the issues have always been minor on PC compared to the console versions. I don't know how it's running on the PS4/XB1.
I'm always hesitant when I see companies using Unity, but Deck Nine did a good job with Life Is Strange: Before the Storm last year, so hopefully that will also be true for Telltale's games.
Telltale themselves seem to have done a good job improving their engine recently. On PC at least, Batman: The Enemy Within has been running completely smoothly for me, even across scene transitions.
Then again, the issues have always been minor on PC compared to the console versions. I don't know how it's running on the PS4/XB1.
Firewatch has serious performance issues on PC. The game can be running at 100+ FPS and drop below 45 FPS if you turn the view 90°. Doesn't matter how low you turn down the resolution or other graphic options. The GPU is sitting there half-idle.
To be fair, the list of 60 FPS games on consoles is pretty small. It's not exactly standard regardless of engine.
But... I think there are some 3D Unity games on consoles that run at 60 FPS:
SUPER HOT
Assault Android Cactus
Super Lucky's Tale
INSIDE
Odd, I don't recall having any performance issues when I played it.
Here's a quick example from the lookout tower at the start of the game:
Framerate has dropped below 50 FPS while my GPU is sitting half-idle.
If you're not too sensitive to framerate I can see that someone might not notice it dropping from 60 to 45~50 FPS, but you really notice when it's 100 FPS+ looking in one direction and drops below 50 when you turn to look the other way.