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The Division 2 Is Ditching Steam For The Epic Games Store On PC [See Threadmarks]
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The only exclusive they need is Half Life 3 and the competition would be done for.
Any "moneyhatting" (not that I believe that occurred to begin with) that Epic gave to Ubisoft was just a matter of Tencent moving the funds from one pocket to another.
If Ubisoft already had plans to leave steam at some point this would be the perfect opportunity to hedge their bets. They get paid to leave steam and they can gauge the effect of such a decision.
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This matrix has several inaccuracies.Not to the Epic Store.
Not all features have the same value.
The amount of times it is getting posted as a 'take that' to the Epic Store is weird.
Battle Passes have been a thing since DOTA 2 in 2013. Twitch would have been fine without Fortnite, it was seeing tremendous growth before it. As a matter of fact I'd say that Fortnite relied more on Twitch than vice versa.
Fortnite may have popularized BR on consoles but it's been a thing on PC for years.
And Mario 64 has more positive influence in its ass hairs than Fortnite does altogether.
What's there to like about Epic's game store? Steam offers better value to me then any other storefront with their regional pricing and BPM.
"slightly smaller game"
How is a AAA open world multiplayer loot shooter that sold millions a smaller game?
It'll keep getting posted so long as anyone asks "why do people even prefer steam anyways?"
Not really, because the margins have nothing to do with this, a moneyhat does.
Same with Mexico.Meanwhile, they decided that Argentina is a rich country that deserves to pay more than the US:
After the snoozefest of the first game I am not gonna pretend I would buy this, but as a principle this sucks, and if next game from Clint Hocking (also Ubi) skips Steam - by far the best PC platform for actual gamers, only tied with GOG - well that would suck all kinds of ass.
I wonder what will happen though. Either those games exclusive to Epic tank and their developers come back to Steam, or they are super successful and maybe Valve lowers the split, eventually? We'll see.
I wonder what will happen though. Either those games exclusive to Epic tank and their developers come back to Steam, or they are super successful and maybe Valve lowers the split, eventually? We'll see.
it's not a "take that". Explaining the same things over and over and over again in each similar thread gets old really fast. If you have an issue with the number of times this gets posted, take it up with the people who decide to come into these threads and ask "what's the big deal with Steam anyway?".
Not to mention dropping your revenue by let us say half just so you don't potentially lose on the revenue of a couple of games, seems like an exaggerated response to say the least, this before we even go into the fact it is only really relevant if the devs going for epic store exclusivity (temporary most likely) decide to do the same with their future titles, which due to the nature of money hatting, seems unlikely.
Got to say surprised someone even read my post let alone remembered it, would however just like to point out Epic stepped up their game to a far greater degree than what I had expected, in this store they don't even have a search feature XD.
The Division 1 has biggest launch of any Ubi title till date. So Division 2 not a slightly smaller game, it's probably aiming to be their most successful game ever and their post launch support (which is implied to be really meaty) will be entirely funded by mtx, which is where I guess those higher profit margins would help since steam probably makes the same ~20% cut on mtx as well (since the cut's lower for AAA like Ubisoft). As for uplay, they already make 100% margin there on mtx (minus whatever the transaction fee that Vis/MasterCard charges, which happens with steam too).
"why do people love steam so much?!"
"what's wrong with a little COMPETITION, pc gamers?!"
"steam bad. steam monopoly. valve evil"
"why not give epic a chance???"
We all know what they'd say
Well, for a lot of users here, the only thing they do respond to is money visibly being thrown around. If a platform holder doesn't spend money getting (timed) exclusivity for a title, it's often not worth looking at at all.
Hey, i've shared that post with a few friends and we've all had a good laugh at it! It'd suck to be one of the content creators on the unreal store who don't turn up in search results tho.
Ah yes, been expecting for Epic to make this kind of move for some time now as grabbing up some notable indie games for the Epic Store was a notable first step but was never going to be enough to move the needle.
I wouldn't have a problem with it because I don't care what launcher a game is on as long as it runs well.
The people that say right now that Steam is a monopoly and a big evil would be ok with Steam moneyhatting? That's cool
Pretty much.
I feel like there's an inherent disconnect between the long-term PC enthusiast audience and others engaging in discussion here.
We know other platforms exist. We have access to them. Most of us have tried them all (including consoles). We are used to making our own choices.
Many of us choose to use Steam because it provides several features we use that the others lack.
Yeah.
I made a picture to explain why PC gamers may not exactly be enthused by the "competition" offered by Epic so far.
When that question (or variations of it) is asked 50 times in a thread like this I'm not going to write up 50 replies, I'm going to post that picture 50 times.
You keep saying that without much evidence. A moneyhat alone doesn't make sense of this move. This is a long term play.
If Valve gave an equal split, there wouldn't be a moneyhat amount that would make sense.
No it isn't lol. As a socialist, I get fairly annoyed at these "business does a thing I don't like, must be capitalism" takes. In a socialist society, the workers should own the means of production and they decide as a unit how the company is run. A socialist Epic would still try to succeed as a business, as would a socialist Ubisoft, etc... And they might do things like this to succeed.
It's definitely a 'take that' given the obsessive level of detail it goes into to widen the amount of 'red' on competing platforms. Steam is well-liked because they have cultured a long, mostly positive working relationship with developers and customers, and in no small part because people like Valve games, even back when the exact same bawling about 'forcing their launcher on me' was being hurled at valve when Counter Strike/Orange Box made it mandatory.
When I think 'what's so special about Steam?' it's not that I'm ignorant to the feature set, but trifling things like Badges and 4-cent trading cards and whether or not the same login works for a hypothetical Switch port aren't going to be given the same weight as "do I want to play Division 2 or not" when time comes to make that decision. Saying no because "Steam Features" feels completely sideways to me.
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It does if you are using this launch to test the viability of going standalone, or even just to get an idea of how much being on steam affects sales in general, then moneyhatting helps a lot because you get to test this while epic covers the bill, especially since this is almost assuredly temporary exclusivity.
So I checked it out ubisoft will lose alot of money on my purchase and I suspect many others, hope that Epic money was worth it
If I could buy div 2 on steam : 60e -30% = 42 euro to ubisoft
Launch price on cdkeys : 43e -??% = less than 42 euro to ubisoft
Me buying game on sale on cdkeys = alot less than 42 euro to ubisoft
If I could buy div 2 on steam : 60e -30% = 42 euro to ubisoft
Launch price on cdkeys : 43e -??% = less than 42 euro to ubisoft
Me buying game on sale on cdkeys = alot less than 42 euro to ubisoft
In what way does trading cards, badges, or customizable profile page add to this discussion about storefront viability? These are "gotcha" bullet points that aren't even worth mentioning.Not to the Epic Store.
What the actual fuck? Wow. I was not expecting this to happen with AAA titles. Not so soon anyway.
But it's on Origin which actually offers a feature that Steam doesn't have. Anthem is included in their Premier subscription service.
That's how you properly compete. With features, not money-hatting.
If Steam and Epic had all the same features, but Epic lacked trading cards, badges and customizable profile page, but Steam does have those, I would go to Steam.
Especially since trading cards even gains me money to buy other things in the Steam store.
What doesn't make sense is alienating the largest PC platform, for a minuscule one with nowhere near the userbase.
If money wasn't changing hands than Ubi wouldn't have sidelined Steam to sell to Epic. It would've sold to both.
This buying exclusivity nonsense is Epic's current playbook. It's no secret.
Meanwhile, they decided that Argentina is a rich country that deserves to pay more than the US:
Christ, I'm terrified of stores with no regional pricing taking over
Epic assumes that a significant part of the young fortnite crowd are tomorrows core pc gamers. Of course this is a long time play. Epic knows that they can't compete with Steam for the current pc crowd.
Good for you, bad for everyone else. Steam has lots of features that feels minimal reading them on that list, but Im using them so much that if Valve removed, let's say, community uploads (screenshots, guides, Workshop) I would be really fuckings pissed.
I take a lot of Steams feature without "care", because they are so natural integrated into my PC gaming so going to another client that doesn't have those features is not something I want to do.
If you're a Steam hater, then maybe you'd have a problem with it, but I don't think anyone actually in EGS's camp because they believe in EGS would have a problem with it.
