Usually to drive healthy competition you use things like lower prices or more features (like Origins live chat service and refund policy). But ya know paying to delist it on all other stores works too.
Valve only has around 350 employees and do stuff like support TF2, CSGO and Dota 2. They're also working on VR hardware and working on VR games (one of which is Half Life VR according to code that people find in Source 2 updates). They're also working on In The Valley of Gods.That's honestly a pretty unimpressive list for an entire company like Valve for a full year.
No it's not.There is no moral obligation to buy a videogame and the mindset that you are "punishing" a dev by not buying their game is completely nonsensical.
Yes it is and they should realize that what their publisher is doing should be called out and boycotted. So I may feel a little bad for massive, it's better to stop shit like this now before it becomes even worst for consumersNo it's not.
A boycot here has the knock on effect of punishing the dev for the actions of the publisher.
This is an unfortunate truth, but it is a truth. Massive had nothing to do with this shitty deal, and loss of players is a negative for them.
This isn't hard to see. This isn't guilt tripping. This is the unfortunate reality of this shit situation.
Even if you accept it as a punishment, there is simply no way to act against a publisher without any form of consequences on the devs themself. Regardless of where and when you buy The Division 2, you are still rewarding Ubisoft decision with your money.There is no moral obligation to buy a videogame and the mindset that you are "punishing" a dev by not buying their game is completely nonsensical.
Even if you accept it as a punishment, there is simply no way to act against a publisher without any form of consequences on the devs themself. Regardless of where and when you buy The Division 2, you are still rewarding Ubisoft decision with your money.
Even if we could, the same can be said about any form of boycott of a big company, punish only ubisoft and for all we know that still mean multiple people loose their job or bonus or raises even if they had nothing to do with the decision that lead to that boycott.
You literally said it's bad for the devs, so it's not nonsensical. It can't be nonsensical if you agree it has a negative knock on effect.Yes it is and they should realize that what their publisher is doing should be called out and boycotted. So I may feel a little bad for massive, it's better to stop shit like this now before it becomes even worst for consumers
This isn't hard to see. This isn't guilt tripping. This is the unfortunate reality of this shit situation.
As I've said a few times ITT, don't punish Massive - the devs who made the game, for this shitty deal.
OHHHH I finally get it. It's not like Valve is going to improve itself, it's just that by making the worst PC store and platform ever, Epic is going to make Valve look amazing in comparison. How far does this rabbit hole go? I bet Tim Sweeney is secretly on Valve's payroll.B-but dont you get it ? It's a necessary evil !
In order to make sure Valve do something and may not be tempted to pay for exclusives and kill smaller stores... We need to entrust Epic Games Store who pay for exclusives, do nothing but kill smaller stores !
I hope you're buying multiple copies of every game ever released, and also apply this logic to every product ever made. Otherwise, you're unfairly scamming starving creators out of their deserved money for no proper reason. You filthy thief!It is both, it's a fair choice for you but you can't deny the knock on effect. It's the unhappy truth of it.
Yes you are because the better the game does the better it is for them. It's not just about sales.
I'm not trying to guilt trip anyone at all, I'm just stating is harming the developers because it is.
Don't you see? It's your duty as a Gamer™ to give your money to developers. Your opinions or principles don't matter, only thing that does is that you buy their products. After all, they are entitled to your money, it's rightfully theirs and not doing so would punish them.There is no moral obligation to buy a videogame and the mindset that you are "punishing" a dev by not buying their game is completely nonsensical.
Then you're reading it badly, because stating a thing has a knock on effect is not even close to guilt tripping.Reads like guilt tripping to me. Reads like posts you get everytime someone decides to not buy something for some reason. Doesn't work, Massive are a part of Ubisoft, a part of the problem, so too bad, something's got to give and as far as I'm concerned they're collectively punishing us, the consumers. They don't agree with Ubi? Do a Bungie and leave. They can't? Again, too bad for them, it's not my job to look out for them.
I mean the EGS-brigade tells us all the time how customers getting f'd over is good in the long run. Well alright, then I'll take the same stance in regards to devs getting f'd over. Maybe if enough feel the fallout then they'll start questioning these shitty deals and start a change to the better from the inside.
OHHHH I finally get it. It's not like Valve is going to improve itself, it's just that by making the worst PC store and platform ever, Epic is going to make Valve look amazing in comparison. How far does this rabbit hole go? I bet Tim Sweeney is secretly on Valve's payroll.
I hope you're buying multiple copies of every game ever released, and also apply this logic to every product ever made. Otherwise, you're unfairly scamming starving creators out of their deserved money for no proper reason. You filthy thief!
Don't you see? It's your duty as a Gamer™ to give your money to developers. Your opinions or principles don't matter, only thing that does is that you buy their products. After all, they are entitled to your money, it's rightfully theirs and not doing so would punish them.
That's honestly a pretty unimpressive list for an entire company like Valve for a full year.
I'm pretty sure they aren't allowed to sell the games on those platforms without offering them on the digital services respectively. This only affects PC.
Laughing at all those Sweeney anti-MS hate speeches (and their supporters on here). What a greedy, gross hypocrite.
Lovely seeing this as I just bought a new gaming PC. Fucking Epic.
It's not fact, massive is part of ubisoft and they must know they by ubisoft doing this people are not going to support it. I don't feel any guilt for boycotting any money hatted game from the Epic store.Then you're reading it badly, because stating a thing has a knock on effect is not even close to guilt tripping.
Massive have nothing to do with this deal. You're wrong about both things.
Don't be ridiculous please. This is the reality of the situation, I'm not shaming anyone. Any guilt you feel is on you.
Simply stating this is punishing the devs (ie: making some customers boycott the product) s not anything like what you're describing.
Again: this is on the publishers. Boycott the game if you want, but both the publisher's actions and your boycott are harming the developer who didn't create this shitty deal.
Stating this fact is not guilt tripping.
Again: this is on the publishers. Boycott the game if you want, but both the publisher's actions and your boycott are harming the developer who didn't create this shitty deal.
Stating this fact is not guilt tripping.
Then you're reading it badly, because stating a thing has a knock on effect is not even close to guilt tripping.
Massive have nothing to do with this deal. You're wrong about both things.
As I've said a few times ITT, don't punish Massive - the devs who made the game, for this shitty deal.
Anyone seen communication about this subject from any other retailers. I can't see any mention from Humble yet.
Anyone seen communication about this subject from any other retailers. I can't see any mention from Humble yet.
Most PC games for the past decade have used Valve's Steamworks platform but they haven't been on one store. It is important for this discussion to differentiate between Steam, the store, and Steam, the platform. There has never been any shortage of different stores to buy Steam games from and Steam never attempted to kill competition from alternative vendors the way Epic is doing.
Oh, I thought the point deletion is going to be a one time thing. Guess I was a bit naive.Ubisoft recently changed this in "short time" costumers, since earned points are being deleted after 24 months. I lost 90% of my points this way. :(
Yes.am I accidentally punishing every dev ive never bought a game from?
So you didn't mind that you were only ever buying steam games, so long as you could buy steam games from different stores due to price (i assume)?But that's the distinction I'm making. I don't really care which platform I'm "playing" the game on, it's being limited in which venders you can purchase from that truly sucks.
So you didn't mind that you were only ever buying steam games, so long as you could buy steam games from different stores due to price (i assume)?
No, don't misrepresent what you're doing here. You're the one who brought up the devs, no one else did, and you asked one poster not to punish them. You are guilt tripping people, and trying to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. Do you buy every game that gets released? Because according to your logic, not doing so would be harmful for those devs. Unless you believe Massive deserves special treatment for reasons that are unknown to the rest of us.Then you're reading it badly, because stating a thing has a knock on effect is not even close to guilt tripping.
Massive have nothing to do with this deal. You're wrong about both things.
Don't be ridiculous please. This is the reality of the situation, I'm not shaming anyone. Any guilt you feel is on you.
Simply stating this is punishing the devs (ie: making some customers boycott the product) s not anything like what you're describing.
Again: this is on the publishers. Boycott the game if you want, but both the publisher's actions and your boycott are harming the developer who didn't create this shitty deal.
Stating this fact is not guilt tripping.
what the hell how did i miss thisLol............................................................. This is so annoying lol. Dangerous Driving is Epic store exclusive and now its just blocking sales of keys in other places. This Epic store isn't making shit better for me.
what the hell how did i miss this
goddamn the epic game store sucks shit
wish they'd fuck off already
Presumably Epic offered them more money for exclusivity than they figured they'd lose by not being on other storefronts, and for a smaller dev that's insurance that you can't really justify not taking. Big difference between a small dev like that taking the money and a AAA behemoth doing it.Yeap! I found out about that yesterday in this thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/da...er-criterion-developers.104329/#post-18671527. They said it was because of their games not selling well on steam and wanting to try something different which we all know is just bullshit because they would just release it to as many stores as possible if they were trying to sell as much as possible.
I'm surprised at how little traction this has gotten with media. I think I'll write an article tomorrow.Vg247 is reporting about this matter as well. I hope other game sites follow soon. Publishers boycotting 3rd party keystores is not what pc gaming needs.
I love how all these devs sound the same now.Yeap! I found out about that yesterday in this thread: https://www.resetera.com/threads/da...er-criterion-developers.104329/#post-18671527. They said it was because of their games not selling well on steam and wanting to try something different which we all know is just bullshit because they would just release it to as many stores as possible if they were trying to sell as much as possible.
I'm not guilt tripping anyone. It's very true that a boycott will harm the devs. You can't separate that from your stance against the publishers.No, don't misrepresent what you're doing here. You're the one who brought up the devs, no one else did, and you asked one poster not to punish them. You are guilt tripping people, and trying to pretend otherwise is disingenuous. Do you buy every game that gets released? Because according to your logic, not doing so would be harmful for those devs. Unless you believe Massive deserves special treatment for reasons that are unknown to the rest of us.
I love how all these devs sound the same now.
'We aren't anti-Steam, but are just being paid to be'
So you didn't mind that you were only ever buying steam games, so long as you could buy steam games from different stores due to price (i assume)?
CDkeys copy is only European activation as well. It's the greatest thing known to "competition" as here in Australia we are royally fucked for pricing on Division 2 as most key resellers are European copies and any global ones are about $10 cheaper than buying in store. Compare that to hell DmC 5 and you can see the stark difference Epic creates on their "competitive" nature.That explains why its price went up drastically today on cdkeys.
Many use "Ubisoft connect", not sure exactly how it works, but those keys were never exposed to users, I wonder if retailers don't actually get their hands on keys, rather than plugging into a Ubisoft api or similar.What happens to the extra keys that the 3rd party resellers have? I guess we aren't going to see a massive sell-off before the launch deadline....
Presumably Epic offered them more money for exclusivity than they figured they'd lose by not being on other storefronts, and for a smaller dev that's insurance that you can't really justify not taking. Big difference between a small dev like that taking the money and a AAA behemoth doing it.
And you brought up the devs in your first post because...?I'm not guilt tripping anyone. It's very true that a boycott will harm the devs. You can't separate that from your stance against the publishers.
They could, if they were honest.They just can't come out and say "Epic paid us a buncha money so we aren't putting it on Steam now." They want to make it sound like Steam is the issue instead of the upfront money minimizing risks.
Because they're also affected by a boycott and they didn't choose to implement this shit deal.
Rather then seeing it as punishing a dev you could instead see it as rewarding other companies that don't do these deals. Most of us arent impossibly rich, we only have the money and time for a select number of games and there is plenty of choice for other games to support instead.No it's not.
A boycot here has the knock on effect of punishing the dev for the actions of the publisher.
This is an unfortunate truth, but it is a truth. Massive had nothing to do with this shitty deal, and loss of players is a negative for them.
This isn't hard to see. This isn't guilt tripping. This is the unfortunate reality of this shit situation.