The ending of The Dark Knight Rises bothers me for the silliest of reasons.
- Thread starter Soapbox Killer
- Start date
Got nothing on The Punisher.
Movie Math: Here’s How Long it Took Batman to Set Up The Flaming Bat Symbol on the Bridge in ‘The Dark Knight Rises’
My naive original goal for this piece was to only focus on how long it took Batman to create the bat fire on the bridge in The Dark Knight Rises. I thought it wouldn’t be difficult due to the…moviesfilmsandflix.com
The answer is approximately three hours. this is right after he flew back from India and somehow snuck onto the island and then someone carried all that flammable liquid with him onto the top of a bridge.
Even better is that nobody would even see it unless they were flying over it at that moment.
Punisher was a fun enough movie that I was willing to accept that compared to TDKR where I was questioning something in almost every scene.Got nothing on The Punisher.
Even better is that nobody would even see it unless they were flying over it at that moment.
OP
OP
That's a bit strong isn't it? Prometheus was a whole mess.
100%
Thats what I feel about Batman V Superman, that should have been 2 movie.
There are parts of BvS that are better than Rises.
She was the most solid thing about the film.
Despite this though DKR is generally regarded as "good" but I think that's just bias and overly sentimental for the person that directed it. Nobody's above criticism. This whole "grounded in reality" is bullshit to me. Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy is still a bunch of superhero movies
"Robin" is dumb but it gets the point across quickly to a mainstream audience in a way "Richard" or "Jason" would not.
The entire third act being crap is more than a glaring issue or two.
I wouldn't say the entire third act is crap. It did feel like it kinda dragged, though.
I just hate the boat morality thing. It doesn't fit with the rest of the movie.
OP
OP
Nolan does get more of a pass and rightfully so in some cases however, The Dark Knight Trilogy gets worse every movie. BvS is flawed beyond belief but most of the Batman stuff is really good.
He used the Clean Slate program that Kyle was after and any billionaire like Wayne is going to have a cash stash he can dip into on the sly.
Wayne "killed" himself, took a new identity, and retired with Selena to some mega mansion on the Mediterranean coast.
Or he's just using Selena as a sugar mama, since she was hoarding cash all along, getting ready to bolt.
What's wrong with the fight scenes? I thought they were well done, and had an intensity to them that previous movies in the trilogy did not.
hmm, i didn't think the boat morality was bad. the exposition of dialogue from batman explains it...joker was trying to prove that everybody is an anarchist like him at their core, but neither the hardened criminals nor the seemingly innocent were able to murder one another. both boats accepted what they thought would be death at midnight.
i think tdk is better than bb but i don't think dkr is better than tdk. it's more entertaining than bb because of the world it built but overall it isn't that good just based on everything that's been said in the thread
There's some top tier Batmanning in Rises...and a lot of shit too.
+ All the Howard Hughes stuff in the Bat Mansion with frail hermit Bruce is great
+ Batman's actual first appearance on the bike is hype as hell
+ Selina pretending to freak out in the bar
+ Bane's dialogue in the sewer fight
+ Reliably emotional Alfred scenes
+ Batman's "death" fakeout
+ Blake finding the Batcave
+ The Batman and Catwoman rooftop fight
+ The actor cast as young Ra's
+ The attempt to meld the look and feel of the first two films combined
- Every cop trapped underground
- Every cop getting out and charging into battle like an army
- Cable TV in pit prison
- Fixing a broken back with a punch
- Bruce getting back to and into Gotham somehow
- The flaming bat signal
- Batman randomly bumping into Catwoman and the kid
- Blake discovering Bruce is Batman based on an orphan's hunch and not detective work
- Talia's death scene
- The clunky Robin line
+ All the Howard Hughes stuff in the Bat Mansion with frail hermit Bruce is great
+ Batman's actual first appearance on the bike is hype as hell
+ Selina pretending to freak out in the bar
+ Bane's dialogue in the sewer fight
+ Reliably emotional Alfred scenes
+ Batman's "death" fakeout
+ Blake finding the Batcave
+ The Batman and Catwoman rooftop fight
+ The actor cast as young Ra's
+ The attempt to meld the look and feel of the first two films combined
- Every cop trapped underground
- Every cop getting out and charging into battle like an army
- Cable TV in pit prison
- Fixing a broken back with a punch
- Bruce getting back to and into Gotham somehow
- The flaming bat signal
- Batman randomly bumping into Catwoman and the kid
- Blake discovering Bruce is Batman based on an orphan's hunch and not detective work
- Talia's death scene
- The clunky Robin line
Lots of obvious missed punches, people waiting around and falling down for no apparent reason, the nonsensical "charge" scene where the bad guys apparently forgot that they were holding semi-automatic weapons.
The movie sucks.
Heck, the first 10 minutes of Batman Begins shit on the whole ending.
"The world is too small for someone like Bruce Wayne to disappear "
Heck, the first 10 minutes of Batman Begins shit on the whole ending.
"The world is too small for someone like Bruce Wayne to disappear "
The 'charge' scene ended with dozens of dead cops, including Gotham's favorite coward Matthew Modine. The rest made the charge and engaged the bad guys hand-to-hand. Are the bad guys supposed to keep firing their weapons in the middle of a crowd that Bane is standing in the middle of?
A lot safer to blame Batman then having Joker on trial for those murders which he didn't commit.
Also the cops didn't have many guns that why they had to charge and fight hand to hand
Bane vs. Batman VS. Captain America vs. Winter Soldier: Which fight scene do you like more?
I have to admit back around 2011 and 2012, I was so obsessed with DKR and Bane, but was disappointed for a myriad of reasons with that movie, this fight scene being one of them. Tom Hardy is a great actor but I also didn't really dig his performance as Bane that much, and the character's...
www.resetera.com
To hell with putting Joker on trial. He's killed people from the beginning to the end of the movie. Not like he will know the name or verify the identity of every person he slaughtered.
I mean even Joker deserves the right to a fair trial, and putting the Joker on trial for the murder of Harvey Dent would be a huge deal. Harvey actually being a murderer would become a very public notion. It's also highly unethical to blame even him for murders he didn't commit. It had to be a sacrifice, Batman choosing to take the blame himself and disappearing.
Everything they did was unethical "sometimes people deserve more than the truth, they deserve their faith rewarded" - they could have just ruled Harvey Dent's death as an accident and all the rest of the murders on Joker and putting him on trial wouldn't change shit anyway because he's killed countless people
Obviously it was still unethical but it's far less serious for Bruce Wayne to decide that Batman - character in a way- will take the blame for the murders rather than putting another blame actually on trial for murders he didn't commit.
How would Harvey Dent's death have been ruled as an accident?
It really just doesn't work to pin it on Joker.
They could just say Dent was suicidal or something like he jumped from the building where Rachel died and he just wasn't the same after all that. To hell with being ethical - blame everything on the Joker.
So you have Gotham's symbol of hope committing suicide? That really doesn't work as well either.
I think it's pretty important that Batman did end up breaking his one rule in the movie. The fact is, he did kill Dent. There had to repercussions for that.
Yes, you have Gotham's symbol of hope committing suicide after half his face is blown off and the love of his life blown away at the site he decides to suicide.
The top 3 there is nothing wrong you just slowed it down. You can do that with every fight scene
Maybe if you're in a bar drunk with no actual hand to hand combat experience
Yea. I think actively cutting to the shot of Bruce and Selene made me feel like the movie was made for idiots.
A shot of Alfred smiling would have been a great ending with obvious tasteful implications. Almost feels like a studio thing that they wanted Nolan to add
I always assume that he had a trust funds all around the world just in case, thats how he managed to get a fast ride back to States and how he's living a retired life. I don't know, it seems like the thing Batman would do.
My only complain with the ending has always been Robin and what the hell he's going to do with the Batcave on the bottom of a Mansion full of Orphans XD
Maybe Bruce will show up once in a while shape him up to be a Terry Gillian type Batman.
My only complain with the ending has always been Robin and what the hell he's going to do with the Batcave on the bottom of a Mansion full of Orphans XD
Maybe Bruce will show up once in a while shape him up to be a Terry Gillian type Batman.
It's not about if it connects or not, it's their fighting styles. We're supposed to believe Bane is a supreme badass and he can't even block or dodge Batman's haymakers. Neither Bane or Batman were even exhausted and Bane beat him soundly before just because it's a bit dark. The writers copied Knightfall and can't even get that part right.
The Nolan movies are more like crime flicks than superhero flicks. Nothing Batman did in those movies should be considered 'super.'
OP
OP
Every Bruce Wayne scene (that I remember) in BvS is better than every Bruce Wayne scene in TDKR. Might not be fair as I think many people consider Ben Affleck to be really good at both Bruce Wayne / Batman.
Ooh, that would have been a good ending. Though I like knowing he ended up with Selina,
I've bested a thousand men in hand-to-hand combat and yeah, if you slow down any fight scene the fact that it's choreographed will eventually reveal itself. You could do this to almost any movie and find hilarious gaffes.
No, I'm just goofing on the "I have experience in hand to hand combat" nonsense in the post I was replying to.
Regularly reading comic books has made me more forgiving of the non-stop logic/plot holes in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES
It is strange (or fitting?) that the series was built on grounded realism and all of that flies out the window in TDKR.
It is strange (or fitting?) that the series was built on grounded realism and all of that flies out the window in TDKR.
These movies were never really grounded or realistic, though, they were just darker and less cartoony than most comic book movies that came before them, which lent an air of verisimilitude to them. At the end of the day they were still always movies about a psychotic billionaire dressing up as a bat and using ridiculous fictional technology to fight mythical supervillains whose motives and methods made no sense, and none of that matters because unless you're (editorial you, not you specifically) a killjoy who gets off on trashing inconsequential "plot holes" in films, they were fun and entertaining as hell.
LOL you're missing the point. Having choreography isn't the problem. At least make it look cool. They could start by, I dunno, hiring actual competent choreographers. This isn't 1989. There are a shit load of professionals who can do the job for you.
Figure there are people here who will defend anything Nolan puts out.
Nolan is actually my godfather so I am honor bound to defend him.
Or I just think it's silly to whinge about bad choreography that you can only tell is bad by putting it in slow-mo.
It's probably one of those two.
Yep, it's why I think TDKR is quite fitting for the trilogy... it's the "Batmanniest" one of the three, but it was always an inherent inevitability. Even Frank Miller's Dark Knight didn't stay "grounded" for long after Year One.